Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6323383)

It always makes me smile when people who want other people to be respected for who they are rather than what colour they are or where they come from, are referred to as the "PC Brigade".

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6323411)

That's a very narrow definition of racism. How about a racist outlook that accepts that black people can be good at sports, but also thinks they are lazy and need extra motivation because of it, or that they are excellent runners, but you wouldn't want one marrying your daughter etc. etc.

Even a racist employer, presented with a white candidate with no qualification for the job and a black candidate with all the right qualifications of the job, might give that job to the black candidate. Now, if a slightly underqualified white candidate were up against that perfectly qualified black candidate, that might be a different story.

I have known people who subscribe absolutely to the tenets of the National Front, daubed 'Go Home' and swastikas on the houses of pakistanis yet have been perfectly friendly with some local pakistani lads.

Racism (all isms) is multilayered.

It is entirely possible for someone who is racist to also allow for some qualities/individual talents in the people against whom they are prejudiced. Often framed in a fairly racist way (all blacks are fast runners, virile/Indian workers who are quiet and hardworking, because in their eyes those people are naturally given to servility etc.).

It's also possible for people to hold two sets of entirely contradictory views about the same set of people. Or have vastly different views of pakistanis and Indians, black people and the Chinese etc etc.

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 6323428)

It happened.A local council in some town(can't remember where),Wanted shops to take down Merry Christmas banners incase Muslims were offended.This was political correctness gone well overboard.

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6323423)

Because they offended the muslims? Or because some individual official decided it might offend them?

if indeed it even happened.

Doorstepping in the run up elections I lost count of the times people told me that 'they can't even put Christmas decorations up in Bradford now!'...utter crap: I shop there every year and you can't ****ing move for Christmas nativity scenes and giant santas.

Or the evergreen claim that 'They can't even put the St George's flag up in the TownHall on St Georges Day!' - again utter bollocks. We had a meeting that very year ion St George's day and there was a flag the size of a boat sail draped on Hall wall.

Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 6323430)

Firstly I didn't define racism, I defined racism at its purist and I've used that term a few times. Making a silly comment is not pure/real racism pure/real racism involves some kind of power.

You're talking more about stereotyping in this post. Stereotyping/profiling is not real/pure racism cus there is no power involved and is much more prevalent that pure racism.

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 6323428)

It happened.A local council in some town(can't remember where),Wanted shops to take down Merry Christmas banners incase Muslims were offended.This was political correctness gone well overboard.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6323431)

Even my best mate feels uncomfortable using the word black - he's from a small village in Hampshire where black people are noticeable by their absence. They have not yet caught up with what words are nowadays ok or not ok !;)

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6323436)

The employer in my scenario had power.


Incidentally:

The definition of racism in Collins dictionary—

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6323423)

Because they offended the muslims? Or because some individual official decided it might offend them?

This is what i'm saying!I'm not saying any Muslims were offended by Christmas banners,I'm saying some PC council idiot decided that Christmas banners could offend.

Originally Posted by Napoleon_Solo. (Post 6323440)

I don't know of any people, (apart from black.) that are labelled purely because of their colour of skin, having said that, I don't know of any black person being described as black actually being offended by the term...It all depends on what context it is being used.
Most people would like to be judged as the person they are and not what skin colour they happen to have.

Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 6323442)

The employer was guilty of profiling.

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6323448)

Based on race or colour and in the context of him having power over that person in terms of a hiring decision.

Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6323447)

Absolutely. I think often Implying offence can be as dangerous as real offence at times.


This only happened to me once so I can't claim racial prejudice or anything but I was called a white milky bar bastard by someone of Asian lineage and it was the most hilarious thing I ever heard. I was far from offended.

Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 6323451)

A racist employer would not even consider a black applicant.

Originally Posted by Napoleon_Solo. (Post 6323440)

I don't know of any people, (apart from black.) that are labelled purely because of their colour of skin, having said that, I don't know of any black person being described as black actually being offended by the term...It all depends on what context it is being used.
Most people would like to be judged as the person they are and not what skin colour they happen to have.

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6323453)

There is not the same historical legacy involved. Nor do we live in a current world in which British Asians predominately have economic and political power over white British.

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6323467)

Not saying you wuoldn't feel scared, or at risk or insulted. But 'white' as an insult doesn't carry much weight in a place where 'white' is the default colour and where 'white' is associated primarily with cultural power and dominance rather than cultural trauma and oppression.

Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 6323386)

To a racist , homophobe, sexist etc. Nothing matters more than their stupid little prejudice. I have an uncle who is a very religious 7th day Adventist fool and as soon as he hears the word gay he almost shuts down. I'm not joking. He such a homophobe that nothing else matters to him. Trust me. If Ron was a true racist he most definitely would NOT have played black players, no matter how good they were and no matter how sh*t the white players were. This happened in Basketball in the 1950's when Red Auerbach became coach of the Celtics and had to endure all the racism that came with him playing black players.

Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 6323387)

What he said was disgusting and should not be forgotten or forgiven. What he has done for black footballers though also should not be forgotten. Just a shame it was outdone by a severe comment.



If he was truly racist, he would not Of played the players regardless of their quality due to their skin colour though.

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6323467)

Not saying you wuoldn't feel scared, or at risk or insulted. But 'white' as an insult doesn't carry much weight in a place where 'white' is the default colour and where 'white' is associated primarily with cultural power and dominance rather than cultural trauma and oppression.


Bit like a bloke saying' I was called a slut once, it didn't offend me!'