With all due respect Vanessa you have absolutely no idea what kind of a person Johnny is

He couldn’t prove to an acceptable level that he didn’t beat his wife, how does someone prove something like that? Especially in a world right now where men are automatically believed to be the abusers

...no it wasn’t but, I understand that...but there was specific note made by the judge that at least 12 abuse allegations were found to be truth by him and the court...therefore there had to be a victim of those at least 12 truths...

Maybe not, but he's always been my favourite actor and I've followed his career over the years.

No, the Sun proved to a sufficient standard that he did do it

...anyways, I’ll leave you all to it...(...after lighting the fire with my morning thoughts...)...if there is more justice and more victims and more truth to be revealed then I hope that, that happens...

Completely disagree.

The presentation of facts within a context is key.

Him abusing Heard is one context.
Him abusing Heard and being on the receiving end of abuse from Heard is an entirely different context.

So, you can say "technically" The Sun cherry picked "facts" of actions Depp carried out. Are those facts a "whole truth" that accurately represent an "abuser" and a "victim"? No. It's a technicality.

The relationship was toxic. There are huge amounts of fault on both sides if the evidence presented at the trial is to be believed. No man should ever lay a hand on a woman but simarly the opposite is true, no woman should lay a hand on a man in anger and I believe they have both abused each other.

The only "winner" in this case is the Sun. I think it could have a massive detrimental effect on male costing of abuse coming forward due to the courts believing the woman.

Yep.

...but the courts felt that the contexts were there for the ruling of ‘truths’...anyways, later alligator...I’m off...:love:..

Johnny Depp is going to appeal. Right decision.

It was based on the technicality of a "fact". An isolated fact is not a whole truth. Much less the representation of what The Sun claimed those facts represented, which is a far more complex story.

Laters. :love:

Funny, that’s literally what Amber did

Ah, I forgot Dan Wooton was Inspector Morse

Let’s face it, Johnny was always going to be labelled as the abuser or the man that got away with being an abuser, that’s how it works and that is down to Amber purposefully portraying herself as the ultimate innocent victim when she is in fact, far from it

The court ruled on it of course.

This. She's not a victim at all.
I think she's very manipulative.

What world do you live in Liam where you think men are the hard done by ones in these things? The whole world (and TiBB) were weeping for Sean Connery the other day who had very questionable views on hitting women and had also been abusive to atleast one of his wives, it didn't seem to affect his career or anyone's opinion on how wonderful he was though. Lets just see how the careers of Amber and Johnny go after this to decide who's label sticks hardest

The world has changed since Sean Connery's heyday.

I didn't even know about his views on violence against women until someone posted on twitter in response to someone saying RIP.

As an experiment lets see who's career survives this, I give it a couple of years and Johnny Depp will be back in leading roles and he will be the lovable rogue he always was and Amber will have disappeared in to obscurity

You said the sun proved it, with what? All they had were Ambers stories

Johnny was fired from jobs off the back of Ambers first statement, if she no longer works it’s because she showed herself to be a violent manipulator who tried to ruin someone’s career all to garner sympathy and cover for herself, would you feel comfortable working with someone proven to be so devious?

Well no because in my view they are both abusive, I'd rather see neither of them again tbqh

The judge also mentions messages sent by Depp

Not really an experiment given he's at the tail end of a decades long major career and she's virtually a nobody who tried to use this situation as her big break.

Not that it has made a difference to the Man = abuser woman = victim narrative in the papers. Nor did it allow him to keep one of his biggest roles in one of the biggest movie franchises ever.

I believe that's a temporary outcome, I'm not psychic by any means but we'll see