It's not bad, it's understandable.

That's why I want to live in Britain lol Yeah I do agree with everything. :wink:

:thumbs2: I think French is fun to learn, once you have an understanding of how to form tenses. English is a lot more difficult to learn I'd imagine, because of words like "turn" and "pull"

e.g. Turn up, turn down, turn over, turn around etc. have completely different meanings, similarly, pull up, pull over... You get the idea.

You're right on the fact that the hardest part of the French language is either the tenses and the grammar.

I think what does make English that easy is that we don't have 50 tenses, the grammar is so much easier than the French one, generally our quotes are much longer than the English ones.
But the English languages got more words than the French one.

On, deux, trois,
chantent avec moi ! :whistle:




That's all I remember from french lessons.
That and
-Je vis dans une grande, moedern maison.
-fri français

*Un

Bonjour! J'm'apelle Dean! J'ai dix-huit ans. J'ai Yeux bleu et Cheval Marron!

'Hello! My Name is Dean! I'm 18 years old. I have blue eyes and brown hair!'

I think that's right, I haven't done french for about two years.

Je jeu Tennis et Badminton.

'I play Tennis and Badminton.'

J'ai deux poisson, on les s'appelle 99p et Vanhilda. J'ai eu l'habitude d'avoir un hamster s'appelle Phoenix, reste de Dieu son ame.

'I have two fish, they are called 99p and Vanhilda. I used to have a hamster called Phoenix, God rest his soul.'

50 tenses? What the hell are you on about? French actually has less tenses than English - there are no progressive tenses in French like we have in English. In French you can't express time lapse as finely as is possible in English because of this. The fact that the morphology of the verb and adjective are more complex in French doesn't add anything to the language either. You have conjugation after conjugation after conjugation but you still can't shade in meaning as finely as English.

And, talking about compexity, French is considered as a simple language compared to most - there is no more case inflection in French than there is in English.

Compared to your beloved Latin, your language is a doss!

Morphologically speaking French is more complicated than English, analytically speaking English is far more complicated than French.

Get your facts straight before spouting c**p, or, at least acknowledge the fact that your post was completely subjective!

Well, no need to be rude.
Secondly, I made a typo mistake, actually we have 20 tenses.
Actually when I say French is a hard language to learn, it is and I think I have seen enough people learning it to tell me it is way harder than English.
I never said it was the hardest in the world, it is not obviously and it is so not simple to learn.
So unless you speak 4 languages fluently like I do, I don't think you can teach my anything about my language or the post I made.
I made a typo mistake, sorry if it is the end of the world to you, but don't jump on me like that. :thumbs:

lmao, i love how someone is trying to have the upper hand and educate someone on their first language :laugh2:

At least if this member was right, I would have shut up. But they're not and are the one shouting crap. :hugesmile:

Let's think, how many tenses French has:

1. Present
2. Perfect
3. Imperfect
4. Pluperfect
5. Conditional
6. Future Simple
7. Future
8. Conditional Past
9. Future Past


That's nine!

English has those 9 tenses x 3 for emphatic and progressive tenses - 27 tenses!

I have learnt English and have been learning French for a few years, I found English easy to start with and then a lot harder at later stages - French I found more complicated to start with (still there's no complex grammatical concepts like case to learn though) and then it got easier. All I meant was the fact that you have complex conjugations doesn't add anything because in English time can be expressed a lot more finely..

My native language is Lithuanian, and I'm sick of Frenchies telling me how complicated their lanuage is - well it ain't! Lithuanian has 8 cases - nominative, accusative, dative, genetive, ablative, vocative, locative and instrumental when the French case system is no more complicated than English - subject and object pronouns.

And by the way, I speak Lithuanian, English, Danish and German fluently - so yes I am qualified to give an opinion!

I'm not - I'm making a completely objective comparison - I have no emotional ties to either language. So unless you've got something to add to the debate, why did you bother saying anything!? :rolleyes:

I did french in GCSE but i've forgot most of it now. I do remember

'Je parle pas francais alors laisse funky music nouse faire danser'
I can't speak french but I let my funky music do the talking. Thanks GA!

I should look at me old textbooks i wouldn't mind a little refresher.

You're wrong, here are all the tenses:
1. Present: Je fais.
2. Imperfect: Je faisais.
3. Past simple: Je fis.
4. Past 2nd: J'eus fait.
5. Pluperfect: J'avais fait.
6. Conditional Present: Je ferais.
7. Conditional Past 1st: J'aurais fait.
8. Conditional Past 2nd: J'eusse fait.
9. Future Simple: Je ferai.
10. Future Past: J'aurai fait.
11. Subjonctive Present: que je fasse.
12. Subjonctive Past: que j'aie fait.
13.Subjonctive imperfect: que je fisse.
14.Subjonctive pluperfect: que j'eusse fait.
15.Infinitive present: faire
16.Infinitive past: avoir fait.
17.Participe present: faisant.
18.Participe past: fait, ayant fait.
19. Impératif present: Fais, faisons, faites.
20.Impératif past: aie fait, ayons fait, ayez fait.

So here are the 20.

Now, the French grammar is hard, because contrary to English, you do precise the gender.... And don't forget the accents.
And I know what you mean with the cases, I do speak Russian and I think we'll both agree: the languages with cases are harder than the rest. Also I never said the french case was harder than the English one: they're the same. The grammar and the tenses are different.

Also, English has way more words than French and that's is fact. But the English sentences are way smaller because they don't add pointless words in their sentence. :thumbs:

French is harder to learn than English, you can ask teachers and professionals, you'll see. :thumbs:

I do too. Just because French is my native language doesn't mean I can't see straight. If I can add something, Russian and Italian are also my native languages since my parents are Russian & Italian and it doesn't stop me to give an opinion about those languages.

Remy, you shouldnt even dignify that with an answer. Someone who doesnt even speak french trying to teach you about it, is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. Anyways, as a person who speaks both languages fluently, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, french is much more complex than english, and more difficult to learn, thats a fact. It took me 3 months to learn english when I moved to the US, and I can say with a great deal of confidence, I speak English better than most natives. Its a very simple language to learn, asides from the vocabulary which is the same for every language. But as far as grammar is concerned, it doesnt get any simpler.
Now, for the expert in french morphology, can you make a post in french? YOu havent even attempted to do so. Why dont you go ahead and show us just how easy, the language is.

Yes, I agree but to be pedantic, English has all those as well as continuous and emphatic forms:

I go
I do go
I am going
I have gone
I had gone
I went
I have been going
I had been going
I was going
I will go
I am going to go
I will be going
I am going to be going
I used to go
I would go
I would have gone
I would have been going
I will have gone
I am going to have gone
I will have been going
I am going to have been going
etc.

By the way, the subjunctive isn't a tense, it's a mood, and the imperative isn't a tense, it's a conjugation - both of which are, on the most part, completely analytical in English and completely synthetic in French.

You're right, English doesn't have noun gender, and in that regard French is more complicated than English but what does it actually add to a language, Lithuanian has four genders but what's the point? You can't express finer detail because of noun gender.

Even though the phonology in English and French are quite minimal compared to German and Spanish, I still find French phonology more regular than English. At least, in French the rules are there and are stuck to, whereas in English it's very erratic and so harder, for me defitinitely, to learn. I've learnt both, so I know what I'm on about here.

I have learnt both! I'm not claiming English morphology is more complex - it isn't, French verb and adjective morphology is far more complex, but the time lapse expression is more precise in English:

Je vais = I go, I do go, I am going.

French is more synthetic, English is more analytical - but on the whole both are quite analytical compared to my native language, Lithuanian, there are no noun case declensions in either French nor English.

"Don't dignify that with an answer" - It's a forum ffs, we're debating!

This forum is awful! You're all full of disdain and contempt for anyone new who joins and you all post crap posts to up your post count!

youre the one who posts crapp posts! The only antagonist post here was yours, with insults to top it all! Look at this thread before you posted, and notice who showed any disdain or contempt. Again, the fact of the matter is, French is a more difficult language to master. It takes a lot longer to learn than english, its fact. You have proven this because you obviously cant post anything in french.

Imperative and subjunctive are both considered as tenses, confirmed.

We don't talk about Lithuanian, to be honest, it doesn't interest me, at all.
Both phonologies are regular, even though, and I agree, the English one is more 'unpredictable'. But don't forget that you do have links between words in French, and put in a certain way, you don't get the sentence.

In your opinion, this forum is awful because we don't agree with you, sorry about that, sorry if we know French a bit better than you do. :laugh:

Another assumption on your part - I have been learning English since I was a child, I've only been learning French on and off for a few years.

I never ONCE claimed that English was more complicated than French, I always maintained that French morphology was more complicated - all I said was that time was expressed more finely in English and that compared to most lanaguages, both English and French are very analytical - no case systems! Who did I insult in my posts?

LISTEN: Linguistically the imperative and the subjunctive are conjugations and moods respectively, not tenses! GET THAT!? Check any decent book on the subject.

I'm using Lithuanian as an example, I don't care if it doesn't interest you, it proves the point that both French and English are just as analytical as each other.

Check my posts, I have never said that English was more complex morphologically than French, a complete assumption on your part.

Aint_mad_atcha and I speak French since our birth and have been learning English since we were really young, 6 y-o for me. Then we think we are more able to know French and English a bit better than you considering our background.
You're not wrong, but you're not right either. But you're mostly wrong on certain points. :wink:

Yeah like I said before, I learned french when I first started school. And its my first language. I learned english when I was sixteen, and like I said, it took me 3 month to be able to use it academically. At this point in time, I find it easier to communicate in English, than in French. Youve been learning the language for a few years, you have posted on this thread to show your expertise in the language. The fact that you still consider yourself such a novice, to the point that you dont even want to post in French on here, is your answer as to which language is more difficult! Now until you do, please refrain from talking utter non sense.