You don't owe kizzy any explanation pal. As long as you're working on feeling better in yourself you don't need to justify yourself.

And kizzy - putting aside pure depression what do you think about people who need ECT for more deeply rooted illnesses like bipolar and the post-psychotic depression of schizophrenia? What happens when people in a manic episode hop onto a moving vehicle thinking they're invincible going by your advice telling the to jog?

well i never feel depressed if that’s what you mean

There you go then you just answered your own question as to why you weren't offered it, there are lots of avenues out of it...and as glib as it sounded it can take longer than 5yrs to dig your way out. Now you've decided you want to live start living... find a purpose. Work, hobby, family, friends, lovers. Routine is your friend, have an achievable goal... Even if it only washing your clothes and taking then out of the washer before they start to smell.
Baby steps, natural highs ... go to the lakes, laugh at the sheep, work on your self esteem, make yourself look amazing then go out and smile at people just to watch them smile back.

Confront your issues, write them down, make amends with yourself, move on.
Don't waste any more time, your doctor, ECT, ketamin ... can't help they are things from outside going in, to heal you need it to radiate from within moving outwards.

This might make sense it might not, it helped me and is still helping me, if someone 5yrs ago had told me I could get (and keep) a job or buy a house I would have laughed in their face ( then gone home and cried myself to sleep)

From what I've seen of you on here you seem sensitive, socially aware and morally strong maybe the times we live in are taking their toll... I'm not sure how deep your personal issues pool is but even that's enough to tip some over the edge I guess?

I'm willing you well... I'm sending you all the strength I can muster in the hope it gives you a seizure... (kidding)

That's good advice red, just internalise everything until your doctor has no option but to refer you for brain zapping.

I've already touched on that in previous posts in any catatonic, manic state yes otherwise no.

And to be fair even then ECT is not a cure all is it? There is the need to maintain a level of treatment that could be unsustainable, where is the funding for all this treatment coming from?

The cynic in me might suggest that the only reason for advocating such treatments is if those pushing them had a vested interest....We would see 'virgin' ECT centers popping up in every town then all with their hand out for NHS funded clients.

that's good!
the questions are general so some things can be explained by certain personality traits and current mood without involving depression
maybe you just cba today :laugh:

Kizzy, please don't make it political. This thread is apolitical.
Redway posted an intro about ECT as one of possible treatments in severe cases. We'll be discussing other treatments too and not only for depresssion.
Let's keep it educational not confrontational.

I did say that was me being cynical... :laugh:
This is an extreme treatment for extreme cases, the last thing I want to do is normalise it believe me.

That's not what I said though is it. I said he doesn't owe you an explanation. Not his doctor, not family, just people like you.

If you bothered to read my posts you would've seen that we've already established that ECT isn't a long-term cure. But then you couldn't be arsed replying any of that post anyway so I'm not surprised.

That's good because I didn't ASK for an explanation... this is just you being overly aggressive and confrontational for no good reason.

'People like me?' is that me as a depressed person, me as an ex addict or just me who has disagreed with your stance on an internet forum?

Then what are we meant to be debating here?... I have already agreed that it's for very extreme mental health conditions and it has to be maintained indefinitely .... I am beginning to think you are just causing an argument for arguments sake now.

Best I step away from this portion of the discussion for a bit as I appear to be triggering some reaction from you.

It's more of a convo around mental health issues with accent on information, not a heated debate thread.

I'm sorry to hear about your own personal issues but you can't made comments like your opening post and expect not to be called out on it. If you can't handle it then don't act hysterical about alternative treatments in the first place.

It's still funny how you haven't bothered replying to any of that post.

Again I'm going to ask you to stop attacking me with these gaslighting comments, I'm not hysterical and no matter how many times you say it , it won't make it so.

The very rational input I have had in this thread explains how I feel ECT should always be the last line in treatment, you offered it up for discussion I appreciate that it does from my experience render people forgetful and unresponsive. Therefore however much you disliked my comment it did not come, as you so arrogantly predicted,from a place of ignorance.

Allow me but your experience doesn't show one bit when you make comments like below. I don't care if you went back on it because you were called on it but you made it sound like ECT has no purpose at all. All your earlier posts were laced with bare hyperbole and blatantly not in favour of ECT. There's no other rational inference people can draw from posts like that than you setting out to spread more inaccuracies about an already stigmatised practice.

From my perspective; it's the "you" who doesn't seem to have the ability to enter a thread without immediately turning it into a "battle". Ever. Ever, Kizzy. Give it some thought.

And your experience... I have one do you?
You neither knew nor cared what my experience was when you began your 'analysis' of my competence to even comment.

So where is your experience from which you can confidently allay the fears of anyone in relation to the practice, how pronounced is the 'forgetfulness'... when would anyone receiving treatment begin to function in a state other than confused before the next session?

Where are your accuracies?...

Thanks for the evaluation, I'll add it to the list of things you don't feel I'm qualified to comment on.

If there was one case study..one, that had been offered as a successful treatment that would be something but as per there is nothing. Nothing but the sound of redway saying not very much in relation to something for which he has no first hand experience.

If you don't like the way I debate, feel free to ignore.

"something for which he has no first-hand experience."

You'd know all about that though wouldn't you kizzy. I forgot we're bezzies.

Then offer something up, if you rate ECT so highly and suggest those who think it's in the main an outdated practice show me something to change my mind!

That case study you yourself posted that showed a 90% success rate says enough to any person who's not being biased but just for you:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7896675
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8714319
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/risa-...l?guccounter=1
http://www.jneuropsychiatry.org/peer...nversion-d.pdf
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=...rttext&tlng=en
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2...17-222100.full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20386114
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2018...therapy-or-ect
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2860524/
https://www.yesandyes.org/2011/05/tr...onvulsive.html
https://www.mcleanhospital.org/news/...tories-success
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...ruth-about-ect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytC7GYaDvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JG9eQsjaZY

That enough for you or are you gonna ignore it like you did with the 90% success rate reported in the study you yourself posted or 98% of my earlier comments to you?

If people have an issue with your comments they're more than free to take it up with you and that's what people are doing. If you can't handle being called out on your own comments then don't post things you know will trigger people.

Old-school ECT caused bone fractures. The more it's refined the more it's relevant today.

Like I said it's just funny how you keep ignoring all my earlier posts in response to you. You need to brush up on your rebuttal skills.

I've offered plenty. It's you who can't offer any real counter-arguments for reasons we both know. This is what you do on every thread allied to mental health.