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Smithy 27-02-2019 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10460578)
One scientific experiment saying another is disproved by the defence? Not exactly rock solid in my view. Let's see how the prosecution deal with it with their own experts

But the prosecution didn’t do experiments? They just claimed the DNA was here, there and everywhere, the experiments done show that what they claimed isn’t possible without tampering

Alf 27-02-2019 09:36 PM

I think you should watch part 2 Niamh, and then come back and let us know what you think.

Watch it with an open, but also critical mind.

Niamh. 27-02-2019 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10460584)
But the prosecution didn’t do experiments? They just claimed the DNA was here, there and everywhere, the experiments done show that what they claimed isn’t possible without tampering

They cant claim theres DNA without a scientist testing it, are you saying the lawyers just said there was DNA with no tests? I don't think so [emoji1787]

Niamh. 27-02-2019 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10460595)
I think you should watch part 2 Niamh, and then come back and let us know what you think.

Watch it with an open, but also critical mind.

I will do Alf. I watched 2 episodes but tbh it was a bit boring

Smithy 27-02-2019 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10460596)
They cant claim theres DNA without a scientist testing it, are you saying the lawyers just said there was DNA with no tests? I don't think so [emoji1787]

No my point is that although they’ve tested for DNA and the DNA is obviously present the tests which have been done show that the levels of DNA present are what should be expected and are so far off the charts that it’s obviously planted

Niamh. 27-02-2019 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10460614)
No my point is that although they’ve tested for DNA and the DNA is obviously present the tests which have been done show that the levels of DNA present are what should be expected and are so far off the charts that it’s obviously planted

According to the defences experts

Smithy 27-02-2019 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10460618)
According to the defences experts

No, according to independent individuals who conducted the experiments

Josy 27-02-2019 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10460596)
They cant claim theres DNA without a scientist testing it, are you saying the lawyers just said there was DNA with no tests? I don't think so [emoji1787]

They claimed there was human bones and it turned out to be a guess

Niamh. 27-02-2019 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10460621)
No, according to independent individuals who conducted the experiments

Independent indeed

Niamh. 27-02-2019 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 10460624)
They claimed there was human bones and it turned out to be a guess

Who says though?

Smithy 27-02-2019 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 10460624)
They claimed there was human bones and it turned out to be a guess

http://oi65.tinypic.com/155qhzt.jpg

Josy 27-02-2019 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10460626)
Who says though?

The phone recording that was left on zellners answer machine by accident from Mark Williams.

They claimed for years they were in possession of a pelvic bone and the recording has him saying not to reply to zellner until they have a look to see if the bone is actually there.

Josy 27-02-2019 10:10 PM

The message was supposed to go to fallon but they called zellner by mistake

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Hi, Tom. This is Mark Williams. Um, I’ll send you an email later today, but I don’t think we should do anything or respond to her [Zellner] at all until tomorrow, uh, when we look into the bag and–and see exactly the pelvic bones are in there or not. Um, so I–I would not respond, uh, until we look into the bag, uh tomorrow morning and then we can talk about it, uh, before we send a response. Thanks a lot. Bye.”

Niamh. 27-02-2019 10:16 PM

Guilty

Alf 27-02-2019 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 10460637)
The message was supposed to go to fallon but they called zellner by mistake

Or was it by mistake? Maybe it was deliberate?

Josy 27-02-2019 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10460649)
Or was it by mistake? Maybe it was deliberate?

Why would they deliberately reveal themselves to be liars?

Alf 27-02-2019 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 10460652)
Why would they deliberately reveal themselves to be liars?

I don't know, but why would they make that type of mistake?

Josy 27-02-2019 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10460657)
I don't know, but why would they make that type of mistake?

Panic? Due to being asked to hand over the bone and them not actually having it? :shrug: who knows lol

Beso 27-02-2019 11:01 PM

I need to re watch this documentary cause I had them all down as guilty but I don't think I've ever seen the whole video. .it's one if those where you have seen it a few times but only bits n bobs of it..

chuff me dizzy 01-03-2019 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10460279)
Niamh educated Chuff, Glenn and Smithy. :clap1:

No one educated me, I have my own mind

chuff me dizzy 01-03-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10460331)
I'm not gonna argue too much with Niamh on this, she's obviously done her research on this and I've only seen the documentaries. But from the documenteries, it's fair to say it's a very fishy case, and the law enforcement don't look good and could have done with some better cross examining of them. The officer I think called Link or lenk or something like that and the patrol officer with the glasses (I forget his name) were both very dodgy and didn't seem honest to me.

Yes they were bent for sure .. Im still waiting to see the blood on the bedding and mattress ,but it was never even mentioned and poor Brendan in prison because of Fassbender getting him to say they slit her throat and stabbed her

user104658 01-03-2019 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10461693)
Yes they were bent for sure .. Im still waiting to see the blood on the bedding and mattress ,but it was never even mentioned and poor Brendan in prison because of Fassbender getting him to say they slit her throat and stabbed her

This is one that gets me. Other than the "confession" there is absolutely no evidence that her throat was cut or that she was stabbed, all of the evidence shows that she was shot, so to account for him "confessing" to the knife attacks in the bedroom the investigators had to claim that they stabbed her and cut her throat but she was still alive, so they then dragged her outside - with her throat cut - and shot her... leaving no blood trail. It doesn't make sense AT ALL... it's quite clear that the knife attack never happened, which makes it pretty clear that the rest of Brendan's statement is nonsense too. It should have been completely disregarded in the first place.

chuff me dizzy 01-03-2019 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10461701)
This is one that gets me. Other than the "confession" there is absolutely no evidence that her throat was cut or that she was stabbed, all of the evidence shows that she was shot, so to account for him "confessing" to the knife attacks in the bedroom the investigators had to claim that they stabbed her and cut her throat but she was still alive, so they then dragged her outside - with her throat cut - and shot her... leaving no blood trail. It doesn't make sense AT ALL... it's quite clear that the knife attack never happened, which makes it pretty clear that the rest of Brendan's statement is nonsense too. It should have been completely disregarded in the first place.

EXACTLY TS !! not a spot of blood anywhere

chuff me dizzy 01-03-2019 10:16 AM

Niamh you really must watch series 2 ,you are not seeing the "evidence" on which Avery was charged and found guilty on being ripped to shreds

Vicky. 01-03-2019 10:49 AM

I really really must watch this. Its something I have been meaning to do for a long time tbh...


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