You get the ideaQ :P

The thing is Remy you speak for yourself, and yes you do welcome newer members as do many others, but some treat them as lower class citizens who have not got the same status as them which is what I was trying to point out.

Also remember that in recent weeks there has been mischief afoot on the site in the form of banned members joining and causing chaos, they have created mad threads, posted silly posts and deliberatly tried to wind people up, which they have succeeded in doing. We are doing all we can to combat this behind the scenes but it is complicated.

Post count has always been an issue with some people posting random things to increase their count which is why chat and games does not increase counts any longer.

If banned members keep on joining then why don't the registrations for the forum be verified by the mods and admins before their account is active?

Because make a IP-test is quite annoying, imagine if the mods do that all the day, their heads will explose !

I expect they could get hold of all the banned members IP addresses for fast responce activation so it wouldn't take too long to do, or a new person could be brought onboard that could deal with account activation only.

I do agree with you, however there are most important things to do before that.

I think that before defending the immature new members, the mods and admins should think about what the regulars have to say, we are the people who keep the forum alive and friendly. Surely our views should be considered before 3 hour old members.

I dont see why people are just blaming new members, as I think the good new members outweigh the bad ones, as there are only a couple that I think post to get their post count up, and there isnt much that can be done about that

I do believe IP's cannot be traced if you are using a proxy. :tongue: Have I got that right?

I think members with un-tracable IP's recieve a warning from mods/admins anyway.

You're definatly not keeping this forum friendly. If I was a guest and came across this site and saw this post and the other post you made earlier which offended one of the newbies then I would not register as it doesn't seem like a friendly place to be.

Why should our views be considered before 3 hour old members? Who cares how long somebody has been here? Would you like it if you were told that people weren't really interested in your opinion as you've been here less than a year?

Also, by stopping registrations we would lose a LOT of great members who wanted to sign up, weren't allowed so went away and didn't come back ... NEWBIES who could be great for this forum unlike members who have been here for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years and make these members feel unwelcome ... you're a prime example.

The majority of newbies don't seem to get a chance as people who have been here 4, 5, 10 months seem to think they're king of the castle and just disregard them. Everyone is equal on here, being here for 4 months, 2 years or 5 years gives you nothing over people who have been here 3 hours and the sooner some people realise that, the better.

I dont think I like your implication that we dont listen to what you have to say. Every time a member makes a suggestion we look at it's merits and take steps if required. A few examples are, members really, really wanted chat room, we created one and it sits gathering dust! we added Karma at the request of members again it was then shot down, we act on every reported post and what gets forgotten in all of this is that we are members who have the same rights to post our thoughts and views on particular threads without being shot down.

Also the Mods and Admin equally keep this forum alive and friendly should our views not be considered?

Also like Legend says a 3 hour old member has the same rights as you or me. I dont like it when people come across as being superior because of the length of time they have posted here but I dont create a big fuss about it.

Like Remy says chasing IP addresses all day would be impossible and like Baz said proxy servers dont show them, also people can generate a new IP address from home without the use of a proxy. If we ban some IP addresses all together it bans more than one member so there are far more things to consider than has been suggested, if it was that easy we would already be doing it!

I love the longer term members, they feel like family to me, doesnt mean I wont argue with them but I still respect and like them. I equally enjoy newer members who bring value to the forum.

This thread I think was more about silly posts that are just one word or "lol" or a smiley and I have to say we have all had problems with that over our time here, it just gets annoying at times. I suppose though for me if it is the only thing people have to complain about right now then things must be ok!

I'm not on here to be unfriendly Legend, and I didn't mean to be unfriendly. Sorry if i've caused any offence.

You've not caused me any but if I was a newbie and I read it then I'd want to go and not come back.

If I was a newbie I would understood how big the problem is and how I have to respect the rules, and to respect the different opinions.
I would react, if I want to leave then good bye and only the intelligent ones will stay, it's not so hard to post correctly and to respect the rules.

Suggestion noted, agreed with, and actioned. :xyxwave:

Well done you, perhaps the fact that some members aren't friendly towards new members doesn't bother you, but I'm sure it would effect others and it doesn't give out the idea that this is a friendly forum.

''only the intelligent ones will stay''

Wow, someone thinks a lot of themselves. Should I go also then as I'm not exactly intelligent, I know the rules but it doesn't take too many brain cells to be able to do that. What's the IQ needed to qualify for this forum? I must have missed it when I registered. :sad:

Newbies are being put into the ''ruins the forum'' category when there are a lot of ''older'' members who post just as must tripe on the forum but when a newbie does it's different as everyone just jumps on the bandwagon and starts giving them grief for it.

When I was new I posted a lot of $hit (not spam but posting in as many threads as possible) and as somebody has already said, it's the novelty of joining up, a couple of weeks then they settle down.

''Newbies'' on a whole need to be given a fair chance and to not have everyone jump on them over the smallest thing, if they break the rules then the Admin and Mods are there to deal with that.

I agree Legend, as I haev said before, its nto just newbies that post sh** its older members aswell

well said Legend and officialsuperstar i totally agree :laugh3::laugh3:

I did agree with that an an earlier post.
But what does annoy me the most is to see the constant rule-breaking of the new ones, I mean it's not so hard to read the rules, your eyes won't be burned as much as I know.

We give us a fair chance but their contant "I post where I want, what I want, in the speech I want with 20 swear words per post" does really really annoy me.

You explain that 20 times before but there is nothing to do with, so at this point, for me, after giving a fair chance, they are ruining the forum.

Yesterday, a member have posted an article but too late as an other one already did. And this one told me "wtf ? who cares ? if you aren't supposed to post !" I just want to mention that it's newbie, I told him/her numerous time that he was posting wrong, to read the rules....and what I'm seeing ? The same mistake again and again.

I'm not against the newbies it's for most of them their constant rule-breaking, I've been a new member but I always did respect the rules, I've never posted $hit like "lol" or just a smiley.

Sorry for the misunderstanding Legend :thumbs:

I hear what you are saying Remy, it is frustrating and it can be challenging for you when you are trying to guide them in the right direction. I would suggest rather than get wound up you simply hit report and we will deal with them for you all.

I do know some longer term members who post one word answers often and who do the "I have been here longer than you" rubbish though which is equally frustrating.

I think the thing is newer members need to be more tolerant of longer term members and vice versa.

Thanks for understanidng me, I know plenty of members like me do that too so I wanted to mention that we are here with our opened arms but the new ones shouldn't abuse that fact.

It's more a question of being disapointed, you try to make the forum easier to read when some mods aren't here, as a normal member it's nice to help them and try to make things easier. And I've been called 100000000 times "Are you the forum police ? let me do what I want and go away"

I agree with what you said about some old members talking about "I have been here longer than you". That's quite rubbish and doesn't make sense at all.

We don't ask too much to the newer members,
only to read the rules, even if they are wrong, we help us but not 100 times and finally they have to be polite and respectful.

I think I will ask the team to re-visit the rules and look at a way of highlighting them upon registration see if that helps.

I completely understand that about new members and it's true but some posts seemed to come across as though all newbies were ruining the forum.

I understand what you're saying and although I don't agree with the fact that stupid posts will ''ruin'' the forum as that's just a small part of the forum, but still, fair enough. :bigsmile:

That's a very good idea Sunny. Maybe simple bullet points would work better?