I do actually have a book under my eyes and I can TELL you both are tenses. Just deal with it.

I never said French and English aren't as analytical as each other, I already knew that since I do speak Russian.

Look, the only points where I'm wrong are the counter arguments which you have fabricated against me. I never said that Engilsh was more complicated, you said I said that - that's the only duff point from me, and I didn't even say it!

You're the laughable bunch! Sorry, it's true.

The funniest thing is, he actually thinks he knows his facts more than we do...both from French speaking countries ! It just amazes me.

At least, we made you laugh. If your whole point was showing how French and English are analytical languages, we already knew it so you wasted your time there.

The funnier thing is, still not one sentence in french, which is soo simple apparently!

I'm not going to argue any more about this, since you've turned it from an innocent debate into an argument.

It's a French book - probably a typical Francophone book - talking up their own language, making it sound more than it is. Typical French. You've even banned English songs on French radio - ridiculous! There we go, now I've insulted you.

How can moods be tenses - they don't say anything about time, neither do imperatives. It's like saying:

Je fais
Il fait

are two different tenses - they're not!

Good day.

Right you're really annoying me now. When did I say French was simple?

Tu m’énerves maintenant! Quand est-ce que j’ai dit que le français est simple?

Well stop talking then. Go back and look at this thread, until you posted, your very aggressive and antagonising posts, everything was very peaceful.

And its francophone, not francaphone!

Glad to see you can at least posts "Je fais and Il fait "
Not bad for years of studying french.

You turned the debate into an argument, you didn't need to be rude, at all.

And yes, it's a French book (obviously) and not a one for students.
If the radio thing is serious, then you're dumber than I thought because we do have English songs.

By the way, imperative is meant to give an order: Ris, Rions, Riez.
The subjunctive is a tense as the others, why do you keep denying it ?

Oh waaww! Well done, google is your friend after all. Its so obvious that you copied that. How about translating one of your earlier long posts?

How does one typo disprove my point??

I used those two examples "je fais" and "il fait" to press my point - not in reply to your post.

Why don't you use your knowledge of French to disprove me then instead of giving your runnig commentary of the debate? You've given no concrete argument yet. Not bad for someone who apparently speaks French fluently. :rolleyes:

I'm sure he's going to tell you that Senegal is not an French speaking country ! :tongue: After all, we don't know anything about French huh ?

Because tenses show time.

Imperative forms are just conjugations of tenses. In the same way subjunctive moods just show desire and not time.

How can you deny that linguistically speaking they're not tenses?

You still haven't answered my question. :rolleyes:

Not necessarily, Imperative forms is a conjugation of tense, I agree, but put in the way they must be, they are fully tenses.
And can you tell me how 'que je meure' (subjonctive present of the verb 'Mourir') is not a tense ? I'm just curious.

Assumptions and fabrications yet again:

1) When did I say that you don't know anything about French?

2) Why the hell would I say that Senegal isn't a French speaking country anyway?

What an idiotic post! This is getting ridiculous anyway, I've said all I wanted to.

I was sarcastic right ? A bit of humour wouldn't be bad for you. :laugh:
Do all Lithuanian people act like that ? Bless you then.

It's a mood! It's in the present tense - it doesn't show a time any different to the present tense - it's just a different tone.

This is completely ridiculous, you're both just clutching at straws since you don't really have a leg to stand on.

English imperative:

Let's go - Allons = present!

English subjunctive:

I want that the subjunctive be used. - Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé. - present tense!

Like I said, Imperative is another form of Present, but it is a fully tense because you don't use it the same way. Is that so hard to understand or should I speak French ?
And 'Je veux que le subjonctif soit utilisé' is not the subjunctive: 'que je veuille' is. Then it's a full tense and has no links with present.
You just need to take a look at your tenses, sorry to say so. :thumbs: I'm just trying to help. :laugh:

Franchement ce n'est pas la peine de lui donner de l'attention. Je suis sur qu'il ne parle aucune goutte de francais. Il aime raconter sa vie juste pour nous faire chier. Donc c'est un debat inutile a mon avis!

Of course it's subjunctive: 'est - soit' just like in English 'is - be'.

Je pense aussi, on ne le connait pas et il parle méchamment. Je pense qu'il parle français mais pas assez pour nous donner des leçons, surtout que nous sommes français (toi tu viens du Sénégal mais c'est pareil). :hugesmile:

Aint_mad_atcha - at least Rémy has replied to me and debated, you've just given your runnig commentary of the debate fabricating accusations in the process. I mean, when the hell did I say that French was simple, I never did! You're an idiot!!

Of course it's subjunctive: 'est - soit' just like in English 'is - be'. [/quote]

Ok Mr. 'I know it all', let me give you an example of what subjunctive is:
Subjunctive present of 'vouloir':
que je veuille,
que tu veuilles,
qu'il veuille,
que nous voulions,
que vous vouliez,
qu'ils veuillent.

Tell me it is like present now ! :rolleyes:

To refresh your memory, this is present:
Je veux,
tu veux,
il veut,
nous voulons,
vous voulez,
ils veulent.

What about that Mr 'I know it all' ?

Ok Mr. 'I know it all', let me give you an example of what subjunctive is:
Subjunctive present of 'vouloir':
que je veuille,
que tu veuilles,
qu'il veuille,
que nous voulions,
que vous vouliez,
qu'ils veuillent.

Tell me it is like present now ! :rolleyes:

To refresh your memory, this is present:
Je veux,
tu veux,
il veut,
nous voulons,
vous voulez,
ils veulent.

What about that Mr 'I know it all' ? [/quote]

Yes, but the subjunctive form in the third person of "etre" (with ^) is "soit" not "est".

It would be ridiculous to say:

"Je veuille que le subjonctif soit utilisé." unless you said something like:

Bien que je veuille......etc....

So I was right.