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Wildcat! 05-02-2009 08:27 PM

post containing a personal remark aimed at another user removed. A copy has been kept for reference.

Red

Red Moon 05-02-2009 08:29 PM

Like I said before, "Can people remember to stick to the subject and not start talking about each other."

If this thread turns into a flame war it will be LOCKED.

Red

Wildcat! 05-02-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by 30stone
Im just going to stop you are going to continue to call me racist whatever i say, so i can't be bothered... I know Im not racist, someone who twists everything i say so it makes me sound bad calls me racist ok. Have fun, i dont want to hear it.
Its not my fault if things are acceptable in your area. You just used 2 deragotary terms in a row! Like I said before, it seems like your whole environment accept those things! Its no wonder you find this issue to be a none issue! Dont venture out, is my sincere advice to you. Stay whereever you are forever.

30stone 05-02-2009 08:30 PM

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And oh yeah, good for you for talking to the black people in your Gym!

I only said that because you said "i bet you dont even know any black people"


Like i said in post above your twisting 95% of what im saying...

30stone 05-02-2009 08:31 PM

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Its not my fault if things are acceptable in your area. You just used 2 deragotary terms in a row! Like I said before, it seems like your whole environment accept those things! Dont venture out, is my advice.
That some sort of threat? what will happen if i venture out?...

Red Moon 05-02-2009 08:31 PM

LAST TIME, "Can people remember to stick to the subject and not start talking about each other."

If this thread turns into a flame war it will be LOCKED.

Red

Tom 05-02-2009 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Because you know what Tom, you just said that Gael Monfils looks like the doll!!

PIC

Things like that, are the reason people arent particularly keen on it! ANd again, it will become more and more difficult for people who feel like they should be able to say racial things with no consequences.
Right, lets look at that from a different perspective. Do you find this picture offensive, do you think it could be deemed offensive or do you have no problem with it at all? Is it discrimination? Please actually answer this time instead of glossing over it with how comparing someone to a golliwog is offensive.

http://i39.tinypic.com/332up8g.jpg

Also I love how you skip over my point about you being the racist one.

andyman 05-02-2009 08:37 PM

Its been said that Carol Thatcher has not been sacked by the bbc but wont be asked back to the one show.

(bbc1 news, 6pm)

Wildcat! 05-02-2009 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by Tom
Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Because you know what Tom, you just said that Gael Monfils looks like the doll!!

PIC

Things like that, are the reason people arent particularly keen on it! ANd again, it will become more and more difficult for people who feel like they should be able to say racial things with no consequences.
Right, lets look at that from a different perspective. Do you find this picture offensive, do you think it could be deemed offensive or do you have no problem with it at all? Is it discrimination? Please actually answer this time instead of glossing over it with how comparing someone to a golliwog is offensive.

http://i39.tinypic.com/332up8g.jpg

Also I love how you skip over my point about you being the racist one.

Does that Doll have a name that has a history of racism? I dont think so!
Does that other doll look at all like Gael Monfils NO! So I dont see how you could make that comparaison, other than he is black!

ANd I am the racist, when was I racist? I dont discriminate buddy! Not in my life, not in my likes and dislikes. I was raised in tolerant societies. I went to majority White schools, I have posted pictures of my classes. 2 of my sister in laws are white! I have posted pics of them! Sorry, I talk the talk, but I also walk the walk!

And I feel actually very sorry for people who are racist, or who dont see anything wrong with others being so! Because you dont know what you are missing!

Lewis. 05-02-2009 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom
Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Because you know what Tom, you just said that Gael Monfils looks like the doll!!

PIC

Things like that, are the reason people arent particularly keen on it! ANd again, it will become more and more difficult for people who feel like they should be able to say racial things with no consequences.
Right, lets look at that from a different perspective. Do you find this picture offensive, do you think it could be deemed offensive or do you have no problem with it at all? Is it discrimination? Please actually answer this time instead of glossing over it with how comparing someone to a golliwog is offensive.

http://i39.tinypic.com/332up8g.jpg

Also I love how you skip over my point about you being the racist one.
Sorry but that is auite funny :joker:

Wildcat! 05-02-2009 08:41 PM

For the record, I hate it when people call others GInger! And its another thing about this coutry I cant stand, the fact that people with redhair, always feel the need to dye it, or be ashamed of it! And I have never seen seen it before, even though Ive lived in 6 different countries!
And the funny thing is, the people with redhair are not rare!

Lewis. 05-02-2009 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
For the record, I hate it when people call others GInger! And its another thing about this coutry I cant stand, the fact that people with redhair, always feel the need to dye it, or be ashamed of it! And I have never seen seen it before, even though Ive lived in 6 different countries!
And the funny thing is, the people with redhair are not rare!
My Hair was died brown from Blonde, Faded Ginger.. :joker: I am not ashamed :angel:

30stone 05-02-2009 08:42 PM

My brother is proud of being ginger lol says everyone else is boring and normal lol.. (=

Tom 05-02-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

Does that Doll have a name that has a history of racism? I dont think so!
Does that other doll look at all like Gael Monfils NO! So I dont see how you could make that comparaison, other than he is black!

ANd I am the racist, when was I racist? I dont discriminate buddy! Not in my life, not in my likes and dislikes. I was raised in tolerant societies. I went to majority White schools, I have posted pictures of my classes. 2 of my sister in laws are white! I have posted pics of them! Sorry, I talk the talk, but I also walk the walk!

And I feel actually very sorry for people who are racist, or who dont see anything wrong with others being so! Because you dont know what you are missing!
It might not have a history of racism, but remove the racism and look at it for what it is- a comparison between a doll (that just happens to have a racist connotation) and someone else. Thats what you can't seem to understand, and if you can't do that then imo you are more narrowminded than racist people will ever be.

To me the doll and the man do look alike, the hair as well. Do you think that those 2 in that picture look alike? It ends at the hair, just like the other picture!! Double standards if you're trying to say those up there actually look alike any more than the two you posted.

Also the thing about you being racist. I could pull that middle paragraph apart just as you did with Ben, but I won't. I said I could say you are racist when you told Ben that you think he is racist because of the contestants he likes/dislikes. Given your favourites in your profile then ... I'll let you figure the rest out.

Wildcat! 05-02-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by Tom
Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

Does that Doll have a name that has a history of racism? I dont think so!
Does that other doll look at all like Gael Monfils NO! So I dont see how you could make that comparaison, other than he is black!

ANd I am the racist, when was I racist? I dont discriminate buddy! Not in my life, not in my likes and dislikes. I was raised in tolerant societies. I went to majority White schools, I have posted pictures of my classes. 2 of my sister in laws are white! I have posted pics of them! Sorry, I talk the talk, but I also walk the walk!

And I feel actually very sorry for people who are racist, or who dont see anything wrong with others being so! Because you dont know what you are missing!
It might not have a history of racism, but remove the racism and look at it for what it is- a comparison between a doll (that just happens to have a racist connotation) and someone else. Thats what you can't seem to understand, and if you can't do that then imo you are more narrowminded than racist people will ever be.

To me the doll and the man do look alike, the hair as well. Do you think that those 2 in that picture look alike? It ends at the hair, just like the other picture!! Double standards if you're trying to say those up there actually look alike any more than the two you posted.

Also the thing about you being racist. I could pull that middle paragraph apart just as you did with Ben, but I won't. I said I could say you are racist when you told Ben that you think he is racist because of the contestants he likes/dislikes. Given your favourites in your profile then ... I'll let you figure the rest out.

MY favorites? NOticed what they have in common! They are controversial characters. I dont like or dislike people based on their color, everyione here knows it! And go ahead and pull my middle paragraph apart! I dont just say things like oh, my GF is black so I am not racist, or I talk to black people! I actually live what I say, and its not very difficult for me to prove.
I believe what I believe from 30, not just because o his favorites and the peolpe he doesnt like! I believe I already made my feelings be known about that.

Tom 05-02-2009 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

MY favorites? NOticed what they have in common! They are controversial characters. I dont like or dislike people based on their color, everyione here knows it! And go ahead and pull my middle paragraph apart! I dont just say things like oh, my GF is black so I am not racist, or I talk to black people! I actually live what I say, and its not very difficult for me to prove.
I believe what I believe from 30, not just because o his favorites and the peolpe he doesnt like! I believe I already made my feelings be known about that.
Yes, exactly. They are controversial, nothing to do with skin colour. Now perhaps try applying that to Ben's least favourites. Remove skin colour and look at just personality, and you'll see something completely different.

Also how do you know he can't prove he speaks to black people? Its all assumptions.

Am I racist because I hated Alexandra, Mo and Darnell from BB9?

30stone 05-02-2009 08:50 PM

I said those things so you know i do talk to black people like you said i didnt, i didnt just say it like look at me i dont hate black people **** me did you not get that?

Wildcat! 05-02-2009 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom
Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

MY favorites? NOticed what they have in common! They are controversial characters. I dont like or dislike people based on their color, everyione here knows it! And go ahead and pull my middle paragraph apart! I dont just say things like oh, my GF is black so I am not racist, or I talk to black people! I actually live what I say, and its not very difficult for me to prove.
I believe what I believe from 30, not just because o his favorites and the peolpe he doesnt like! I believe I already made my feelings be known about that.
Yes, exactly. They are controversial, nothing to do with skin colour. Now perhaps try applying that to Ben's least favourites. Remove skin colour and look at just personality, and you'll see something completely different.

Also how do you know he can't prove he speaks to black people? Its all assumptions.

Am I racist because I hated Alexandra, Mo and Darnell from BB9?
LIke I said before, I am not basing that just on those housemates he dislikes! I can read between the lines, I am not an idiot! Obviously its an assumption, but based on the things he says, I am pretty confident in my assumptions! I'd like to know how you can hate any of them to be honest, apart from Alex, but thats just me!
I have never thought of you as racist. If you sowed sigs, I would have noticed trust me!

Tom 05-02-2009 08:57 PM

^ Hate in context of Big Brother, not actual hate (if that makes any sense)

Wildcat! 05-02-2009 08:58 PM

And this is the main argument of people who want to perpetuate racism or ignorance. Accuse others of the same! You cant buddy! I am a very multi cultural person! I thrive on that. Sitting here defending this Carole thATCHER, to me is despicable, and you Tom, are not any better, with your wonderful comparaison you just made earlier. NOt only do you think its OK, you pretty much made the same statement as she did! Fortunately for you, your job doesnt depend on it!

30stone 05-02-2009 09:01 PM

I never defended her i said she shoulnt have done it??!!?!?

And your the only person acusing people of racism...

Tom 05-02-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
And this is the main argument of people who want to perpetuate racism or ignorance. Accuse others of the same! You cant buddy! I am a very multi cultural person! I thrive on that. Sitting here defending this Carole thATCHER, to me is despicable, and you Tom, are not any better, with your wonderful comparaison you just made earlier. NOt only do you think its OK, you pretty much made the same statement as she did! Fortunately for you, your job doesnt depend on it!
Yes but people need to stop being so over sensitive and looking at things within context. My comparison is exactly what Carol did and is imo no different. Its just unfortunate that what she used as a comparison has such a history. If she compared him to something else would there still be a problem? She isn't exactly changing what she is saying ...

I'm not saying she should have done it (she shouldn't) I'm just saying I think the reaction is a bit OTT

James 05-02-2009 09:02 PM

Can people stop drawing conclusions about other posters... No personal attacks on the forum. Stick to the subject. :whistle:

Wildcat! 05-02-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by Tom
Quote:

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
And this is the main argument of people who want to perpetuate racism or ignorance. Accuse others of the same! You cant buddy! I am a very multi cultural person! I thrive on that. Sitting here defending this Carole thATCHER, to me is despicable, and you Tom, are not any better, with your wonderful comparaison you just made earlier. NOt only do you think its OK, you pretty much made the same statement as she did! Fortunately for you, your job doesnt depend on it!
Yes but people need to stop being so over sensitive and looking at things within context. My comparison is exactly what Carol did and is imo no different. Its just unfortunate that what she used as a comparison has such a history. If she compared him to something else would there still be a problem? She isn't exactly changing what she is saying ...

I'm not saying she should have done it (she shouldn't) I'm just saying I think the reaction is a bit OTT
The fact remains, she didnt compare him to something else. Ant the fact that no one looks like that doll whatsoever, tells me its a racist statement to make, and there is no way of going around it! And over sensitivity doesnt apply in this case. Its common decency and respect that applies!

Tom 05-02-2009 09:08 PM

Does that mean you do think my comparison look alike?


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