Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3527016)

For me, a hero would be someone who risks their life in order to save another (e.g. someone diving in to dangerous water to save the life of another or entering a burning building to save someone's life) or maybe someone who devotes their life to, e.g. finding a cure for cancer or AIDS, or devotes their life to helping those less fortunate than themselves (e.g. Aid workers in war zones), or even an organ donor who saves a life through organ donation would qualify in my book.
Merely signing up for the British Army and being unlucky enough to be involved in a street bombing in Northern Ireland is not enough - if he had saved someone else in the process then I would doubtless reconsider.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3527038)

Do you know why the army were in Northern Ireland? And what about the way he's supported and encouraged other young servicemen disabled by terrorist action? Does that not knock him up a notch or two on your impossibly idealistic scale of what makes a hero? Your posts show a great lack of knowledge about... well, a lot of things.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3527048)

Well lets be honest here, If the British army had never come across the water to Ireland in the first place there would have been no IRA.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3527073)

I espect if we went back decades, you'd be right. I never knew a serviceman who wanted to go to Ireland. And really, if you asked anyone in the street in England what they thought about the Troubles, the consensus would probably be that what the IRA were asking for wasn't unreasonable. It's the way they went about it. Not saying that the Loyalist terrorists weren't as bad. And I acknowledge that the British army did some terrible stuff over the years.

It'd be a great world if we could all make a bit more of an effort to get on and understand each other. Maybe one day, eh?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3527073)

I espect if we went back decades, you'd be right. I never knew a serviceman who wanted to go to Ireland. And really, if you asked anyone in the street in England what they thought about the Troubles, the consensus would probably be that what the IRA were asking for wasn't unreasonable. It's the way they went about it. Not saying that the Loyalist terrorists weren't as bad. And I acknowledge that the British army did some terrible stuff over the years.

It'd be a great world if we could all make a bit more of an effort to get on and understand each other. Maybe one day, eh?

Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3527104)

No, you're absolutely right. In my opinion it started off as a noble cause (and I mean the start, not when they were bombing civilians in England btw) but in the end things had just gone too far to ever go back.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3526980)

This is going to come as a shock to you... but no, it isn't any of your business how many kids he's got. THis is not China.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3527038)

Do you know why the army were in Northern Ireland? And what about the way he's supported and encouraged other young servicemen disabled by terrorist action? Does that not knock him up a notch or two on your impossibly idealistic scale of what makes a hero? Your posts show a great lack of knowledge about... well, a lot of things.

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3528132)

I would say exactly the same to you. I feel you are both narrow-minded and entirely ignorant about stuff that to most people is basic common sense. We'll just have to agree to differ - I'm not getting into a slanging match. But suffice to say there are more people who seem to agree with me!

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 3510849)

He's never called himself one so its not fair to use it against him. He's a victim and a survivor. Thats enough.

Rebuilding your life physically and emotionally after such a tragedy takes great strength. You cant take that away from him.

But he is still a dull HM.

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3527016)

For me, a hero would be someone who risks their life in order to save another (e.g. someone diving in to dangerous water to save the life of another or entering a burning building to save someone's life) or maybe someone who devotes their life to, e.g. finding a cure for cancer or AIDS, or devotes their life to helping those less fortunate than themselves (e.g. Aid workers in war zones), or even an organ donor who saves a life through organ donation would qualify in my book.
Merely signing up for the British Army and being unlucky enough to be involved in a street bombing in Northern Ireland is not enough - if he had saved someone else in the process then I would doubtless reconsider.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3528214)

I wouldn't say that! At least he supports his children!

Originally Posted by MojoNixon (Post 3575317)

AquaSquirts is back. Desperate JJ fan i see.

Originally Posted by AquaShots (Post 3575350)

Put your glasses on then cos you are mistaken. :joker:

Originally Posted by MojoNixon (Post 3575355)

No need, i guess you are that desperate, miserable Shabby lovin teen then.

Originally Posted by AquaShots (Post 3575305)

From what I can gather, I don't think he does to 3 of them. His wife is outraged that he hasn't even seen them for 6 years... the trouble when you go on a show like this is all your dirty washing gets aired for us all to see. :hugesmile:

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3575367)

And his ex may have an enormous axe to grind - never listen to exes!

Originally Posted by AquaShots (Post 3575366)

You clearly have me confused with someone else. :tongue:

Originally Posted by MrGaryy (Post 3510843)

There was another thread on this but it got terribly sidetracked and was closed before I got to it so I opened this one to discuss the matter.

First of all, walking past a bomb and getting blown up does not make you a hero. That is an insult to the real heroes of the world. I would consider someone who did something exceptionally brave or someone who is solely responsible for saving another person's life in a crisis a hero. Walking past a barrel does not make you a hero just desperately unlucky.

Secondly, to those who say the fact he joined the forces in the first place makes him a hero as he was risking his life for freedom - he was fighting in Northern Ireland, the troubles were not about freedom they were about power and prejudice. Something which is in a way almost proven by how bigoted Steve has shown himself up to be in so many respects.

Brave for joining the army, yes. A hero, absolutely not.

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3528132)

I would say exactly the same to you. I feel you are both narrow-minded and entirely ignorant about stuff that to most people is basic common sense. We'll just have to agree to differ - I'm not getting into a slanging match. But suffice to say there are more people who seem to agree with me!

Originally Posted by Livia

I refer you to my footer.

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3528132)

I would say exactly the same to you. I feel you are both narrow-minded and entirely ignorant about stuff that to most people is basic common sense. We'll just have to agree to differ - I'm not getting into a slanging match. But suffice to say there are more people who seem to agree with me!

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3528073)

If selfish, ignorant people like Steve continue to have 8 kids, the UK may need to think about enforcing laws like China

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3528073)

you must have a very small mind.