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Kizzy 23-05-2013 12:48 PM
I don't think this was part of an 'organised' terrorist plot, the fact it is so shocking is it has that 'amateur' feel to it.
A suicide bomber targeting buildings and planes we are aware of and are prepared for, these random acts of murder we are not.
COBRA will want to know how likely it is for this type of violence to happen again.

Omah 23-05-2013 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011896)
WTF has the guys school got to do with anything? The 9/11 bombers were graduates.

Extremism is not only the practice of the poor and uneducated.
I also mentioned parents and home ..... :rolleyes:

Jack_ 23-05-2013 12:49 PM
An interesting take on the events

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634095

Kizzy 23-05-2013 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011896)
WTF has the guys school got to do with anything? The 9/11 bombers were graduates.

Extremism is not only the practice of the poor and uneducated.
He isn't saying he was poor or uneducated, he was radicalised at a impressionable age... brainwashed, this is how they work to infiltrate the UK.

Brother Leon 23-05-2013 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 6011757)
The men - one of whom has been named as Michael Adeboloja - were arrested
following the hacking to death of a serving soldier in the
street in Woolwich, southeast London.
Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt
said Adeboloja is a 28-year-old Londoner of Nigerian descent.


http://news.sky.com/story/1094560/wo...-suspect-named
Yeah. We get it dude. No wonder he done this. He's Nigerian :o

Omah 23-05-2013 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6011901)
An interesting take on the events
I'm glad you're back Jack :


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6011183)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-tonight.html



As someone else said...his point is perfectly reasonable and I can totally understand the reasonings behind it, but an eye for an eye never works and this is truly just as disgusting as what he is condemning.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011225)
Excuse me, but what point is "perfectly reasonable" ..... :conf:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6011242)
I'll respond to that point when you justify your racist remark a few pages back and explain to me how it's surprising that a black man is 'well spoken'.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011332)
That's not what I said ..... :nono:

I said "The "fanatic" is surprisingly black and well-spoken" ..... :idc:

At 1930, the news program I was watching described a "terrorist" attack having taken place in Woolwich where one of the assailants (no ethnicity or race mentioned) had been shouting incoherently except for one phrase "Allahu Akbar”, which, AFAIK, is an Islamic phrase which Muslims use, meaning "God is great".

I was therefore surprised when, later, linked on this site to a video which showed a black man speaking English very well* (or with "reason") when most of Britain's Muslims are of Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi origin or ethnicity and such extremists as belong to those origin/ethnicities are frequently portrayed as being lacking in English language communication and presentation skills **.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22624100

* "We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth," said the Woolwich attacker who spoke with a London accent. "I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same."


** See Parviz Khan link in post #281.

Now explain your remark, as I requested, please ..... :pipe:
#281

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011349)
http://www.channel4.com/news/woolwic...-previous-plot



Parviz Khan taught sons: This is how you slit the throats of your enemies

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-taught-294158



:sad:

I've been waiting for your response ..... :dance2:

Brother Leon 23-05-2013 12:58 PM
Keep seeing this guy when I see the second person...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...re_Partlow.jpg

Jesus. 23-05-2013 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6011905)
He isn't saying he was poor or uneducated, he was radicalised at a impressionable age... brainwashed, this is how they work to infiltrate the UK.
Quote:
Concerned parents, a comfortable home, a good school - where did it all go wrong for Adeboloja?
That's nonsense, Kizzy.

arista 23-05-2013 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 6011913)
Keep seeing this guy when I see the second person...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...re_Partlow.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...88_634x521.jpg

We only have a distant photo of the other killer

Kizzy 23-05-2013 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011914)
That's nonsense, Kizzy.
It actually isn't jesus, and watching jacks clip I see that the guy has a similar stance on it.
If you don't agree with me fine, I won't suggest your comments are nonsense and would appreciate if you do the same.

Omah 23-05-2013 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011914)
That's nonsense, Kizzy.
That's balderdash Jesus ..... :joker:

Jesus. 23-05-2013 01:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6011920)
It actually isn't jesus, and watching jacks clip I see that the guy has a similar stance on it.
If you don't agree with me fine, I won't suggest your comments are nonsense and would appreciate if you do the same.
As you interjected in a conversation that wasn't yours to begin with, then maybe that should identify how you could avoided having your point identified as nonsense to begin with.

School and family has nothing to do with radicalisation.

Kizzy 23-05-2013 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011928)
As you interjected in a conversation that wasn't yours to begin with, then maybe that should identify how you could avoided having your point identified as nonsense to begin with.

School and family has nothing to do with radicalisation.
:conf: this is a forum jesus, I will interject if I wish.
I didn't say it had, anyway I'm leaving the debate for a bit as you are beginning your usual assault.

arista 23-05-2013 01:15 PM
It was a Police Women who shot the two
Islamic Terrorists to the ground


Good on her
to act so fast

Omah 23-05-2013 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011928)
As you interjected in a conversation that wasn't yours to begin with, then maybe that should identify how you could avoided having your point identified as nonsense to begin with.

School and family has nothing to do with radicalisation.
IYO ..... :shrug:

Jesus. 23-05-2013 01:15 PM
Bye then.

Omah 23-05-2013 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011943)
Bye then.
:xyxwave:

Jesus. 23-05-2013 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011942)
IYO ..... :shrug:
Please explain the 9/11 hijackers to me then?

Omah 23-05-2013 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011943)
Bye then.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011948)
Please explain the 9/11 hijackers to me then?
I thought you were history ..... :laugh2:

Vanessa 23-05-2013 01:27 PM
I haven't watched the video yet. I can't bring myself to. I just don't understand how people could do this. :(

Jesus. 23-05-2013 01:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011956)
I thought you were history ..... :laugh2:
I was saying goodbye to Kizzy who said she was leaving the thread.

Omah 23-05-2013 01:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6011967)
I was saying goodbye to Kizzy who said she was leaving the thread.
So am I ..... :xyxwave:

Jesus. 23-05-2013 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011971)
So am I ..... :xyxwave:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=339

Marcus. 23-05-2013 01:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 6011963)
I haven't watched the video yet. I can't bring myself to. I just don't understand how people could do this. :(
it not nice nessy

Nedusa 23-05-2013 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc (Post 6011556)
I feel sorry for those in the hospital having to treat these evil monsters. Must be difficult to want to keep these guys alive or treat them
Oh I think the very least we can do is keep them alive. No 72 virgins for these guys, no they need to be kept alive so they can enjoy decades of pain and regret mixed together with the odd bit of torture now and again.

No quick exit for these "men" ?? more a long life spent inside 4 brick walls with very little light, perhaps someone finally who does deserve Guantanamo Bay and all the delights it has to offer........!!!!

Marcus. 23-05-2013 03:25 PM
Help for Heroes website to crash because of lots of Surge in donations

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...fic-surge.html

Nedusa 23-05-2013 03:46 PM
Does anyone feel Muslim religious leaders need to be a bit more vocal in their condemnation of acts like these. Maybe the time has come for the Muslim communities to stand up a bit more and protest at the way their religion is used by extremists who carry out this type of atrocity.

Non Muslim British people go to great pains to distance normal peace loving Muslims from the maniac types who carry out these sorts of attack, but maybe now all Muslims from all walks of life should rise up with one voice and say enough is enough.

Perhaps the Islamic centres should look more closely at the style of teaching in Mosques and the truer beliefs of some of their Imams.

It would be nice if all religions (Incl Islam) stood together to condemn this type of barbarity once and for all and re-iterate that peace and love are the only way to move forward.

Or am I being too idealistic....????

Omah 23-05-2013 03:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6011183)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-tonight.html

Quote:
“And then when I went up there was this black guy with a revolver and a kitchen knife, he had what looked like butcher’s tools and he had a little axe, to cut the bones, and two large knives and he said 'move off the body’.

“So I thought 'OK, I don’t know what is going on here’ and he was covered with blood. I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else. I thought these people usually have a message so I said 'what do you want?’

“I asked him if he did it and he said yes and I said why? And he said because he has killed Muslim people in Muslim countries, he said he was a British soldier and I said really and he said 'I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan they have nothing to do there.”

“He was not high, he was not on drugs, he was not an alcoholic or drunk, he was just distressed, upset. He was in full control of his decisions and ready to everything he wanted to do.

I said 'right now it is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?’ and he said I would like to stay and fight.”

As someone else said...his point is perfectly reasonable and I can totally understand the reasonings behind it, but an eye for an eye never works and this is truly just as disgusting as what he is condemning.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011225)
Excuse me, but what point is "perfectly reasonable" ..... :conf:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6011242)
I'll respond to that point when you justify your racist remark a few pages back and explain to me how it's surprising that a black man is 'well spoken'.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011332)
That's not what I said ..... :nono:

I said "The "fanatic" is surprisingly black and well-spoken" ..... :idc:

At 1930, the news program I was watching described a "terrorist" attack having taken place in Woolwich where one of the assailants (no ethnicity or race mentioned) had been shouting incoherently except for one phrase "Allahu Akbar”, which, AFAIK, is an Islamic phrase which Muslims use, meaning "God is great".

I was therefore surprised when, later, linked on this site to a video which showed a black man speaking English very well* (or with "reason") when most of Britain's Muslims are of Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi origin or ethnicity and such extremists as belong to those origin/ethnicities are frequently portrayed as being lacking in English language communication and presentation skills **.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22624100

* "We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth," said the Woolwich attacker who spoke with a London accent. "I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same."


** See Parviz Khan link in post #281.

Now explain your remark, as I requested, please ..... :pipe:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011349)
http://www.channel4.com/news/woolwic...-previous-plot



Parviz Khan taught sons: This is how you slit the throats of your enemies

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-taught-294158



:sad:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omah (Post 6011910)
I'm glad you're back Jack :

I've been waiting for your response ..... :dance2:

:bored:

Omah 23-05-2013 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6012169)
Does anyone feel Muslim religious leaders need to be a bit more vocal in their condemnation of acts like these. Maybe the time has come for the Muslim communities to stand up a bit more and protest at the way their religion is used by extremists who carry out this type of atrocity.

Non Muslim British people go to great pains to distance normal peace loving Muslims from the maniac types who carry out these sorts of attack, but maybe now all Muslims from all walks of life should rise up with one voice and say enough is enough.

Perhaps the Islamic centres should look more closely at the style of teaching in Mosques and the truer beliefs of some of their Imams.

It would be nice if all religions (Incl Islam) stood together to condemn this type of barbarity once and for all and re-iterate that peace and love are the only way to move forward.

Or am I being too idealistic....????
BIB ..... Yes

Kazanne 23-05-2013 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6012169)
Does anyone feel Muslim religious leaders need to be a bit more vocal in their condemnation of acts like these. Maybe the time has come for the Muslim communities to stand up a bit more and protest at the way their religion is used by extremists who carry out this type of atrocity.

Non Muslim British people go to great pains to distance normal peace loving Muslims from the maniac types who carry out these sorts of attack, but maybe now all Muslims from all walks of life should rise up with one voice and say enough is enough.

Perhaps the Islamic centres should look more closely at the style of teaching in Mosques and the truer beliefs of some of their Imams.

It would be nice if all religions (Incl Islam) stood together to condemn this type of barbarity once and for all and re-iterate that peace and love are the only way to move forward.

Or am I being too idealistic....????
No,I agree,they need to be seen condemning this barbaric behaviour otherwise it looks as though they are condoning it.Has anyone stood up yet?

Marcus. 23-05-2013 03:53 PM
they been told to cover up when not on duty

arista 23-05-2013 03:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus. (Post 6012152)
Help for Heroes website to crash because of lots of Surge in donations

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...fic-surge.html

Marcus would you put a T-Shirt on in London?

Marcus. 23-05-2013 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 6012207)
Marcus would you put a T-Shirt on in London?
ermm
yeah but two promblems

1. they been told to cover up
2 i live in newcastle

arista 23-05-2013 04:02 PM
MOD say the Soldier that was killed
was Lee Rigby

25 years old

Marcus. 23-05-2013 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 6012222)
MOD say the Soldier that was killed
was Lee Rigby

25 years old
they named him

arista 23-05-2013 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus. (Post 6012223)
they named him


http://news.sky.com/story/1094804/wo...-soldier-named


Yes


[The soldier murdered in a terrorist attack near
a military barracks in Woolwich has
been named as Drummer Lee Rigby.
The 25-year-old, of 2nd Batallion the Royal Regiment
of Fusilliers, was killed in front of shocked onlookers.
Witnesses said he was attacked by two men with
a number of weapons, including knives and a meat cleaver,
while they shouted the name of "Allah".]

Marcus. 23-05-2013 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 6012224)
awwwwwwwwwwwwww:sad:

arista 23-05-2013 04:07 PM
He was a dad
2 year old son.

Marcus. 23-05-2013 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 6012234)
He was a dad
2 year old son.
oh it get sader

Omah 23-05-2013 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 6012234)
He was a dad
2 year old son.
How sad ..... :sad:


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