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the truth 27-02-2017 09:06 PM

"Opposition is really good in society.Something women seem to be better at than men
 
"Opposition is really good in society... Something women seem to be better at than men, is opposing without hatred - mark rylance at the oscars

is this statement in your opinion, true, too generalized or sexist against men?

user104658 27-02-2017 09:19 PM

Going to be totally honest here and say that, in my experience, it's the opposite. The male and female brain works differently; females (in general, not comprehensively!) involve emotion more in day-to-day reasoning than males do. The result of that is that females are more passionate about subjects they get involved in and believe in, but hand in hand with that, take it more personally when the things they believe in are criticised or opposed.

:worry:

Withano 27-02-2017 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9232644)

is this statement in your opinion, true, too generalized or sexist against men?

A generalisation which I'd imagine is true for him, from his perspective

What do you think?

Kizzy 27-02-2017 10:09 PM

It is an odd thing to say, anyone can oppose something without hating it. Hate is a very overused word generally.

thesheriff443 28-02-2017 03:43 AM

A woman can kill just as well as a man.

arista 28-02-2017 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9232969)
A woman can kill just as well as a man.

Bang On Right

jennyjuniper 28-02-2017 05:09 AM

I think the opposite is true. Women tend to hold onto grudges longer than men and can be more vindictive. In today's society the ideal of the peaceful, nurtering Madonna like woman does not compute.

VanessaFeltz. 28-02-2017 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9232668)
The male and female brain works differently;

I disagree with this part. We just talked in social psychology lesson that women and men have very little difference when it comes down to brain. I really think these small differences get overrated.

I definitely believe the reason of difference between men and women behaving comes down to society's teachings.

user104658 28-02-2017 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz. (Post 9232992)
I disagree with this part. We just talked in social psychology lesson that women and men have very little difference when it comes down to brain. I really think these small differences get overrated.

I definitely believe the reason of difference between men and women behaving comes down to society's teachings.

There is very little difference in the physical structure of the brain; that's not the same as saying that the adult brains of males and females work in the same way. Whether it's down to biology or conditioning isn't relevant when discussing "what is", only when discussing "what can change".

Northern Monkey 28-02-2017 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9232668)
Going to be totally honest here and say that, in my experience, it's the opposite. The male and female brain works differently; females (in general, not comprehensively!) involve emotion more in day-to-day reasoning than males do. The result of that is that females are more passionate about subjects they get involved in and believe in, but hand in hand with that, take it more personally when the things they believe in are criticised or opposed.

:worry:

Yep.Once they get a bee in their bonnet.That's it.The world stops until they get what they want:laugh:
In my experience anyway.


Note:There is nothing wrong with being a woman

Northern Monkey 28-02-2017 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz. (Post 9232992)
I disagree with this part. We just talked in social psychology lesson that women and men have very little difference when it comes down to brain. I really think these small differences get overrated.

I definitely believe the reason of difference between men and women behaving comes down to society's teachings.

Could possibly be the different hormones.

Crimson Dynamo 28-02-2017 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9232644)
"Opposition is really good in society... Something women seem to be better at than men, is opposing without hatred - mark rylance at the oscars

is this statement in your opinion, true, too generalized or sexist against men?

I think its more a reflection on the fact that more men are in positions of power?

Vicky. 28-02-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz. (Post 9232992)
I disagree with this part. We just talked in social psychology lesson that women and men have very little difference when it comes down to brain. I really think these small differences get overrated.

I definitely believe the reason of difference between men and women behaving comes down to society's teachings.

This is true, however have you studied how the brain actually changes with experiences yet? Basically, HOW you are brought up makes a difference, and females are socialized way differently to males. We are taught to put others first, be more empathetic and so on. From birth babies are treat differently based on if they are male or female. As such, the female and male brains can be different, but it is based on our lifestyles. There is no such thing as a 'male brain' or 'female brain' though, that much is true. And scientists cannot tell a male brain from a female one just by studying it.

I do think hormones may play a part too.

I would agree with jenny on this. Obviously as an overall average rather than individual people though..

the truth 28-02-2017 09:39 AM

so is what rylance said sexist? if a man had gone on the oscars and said men are better at being empathic than women, all hell would have broken loose with such a generalization

Crimson Dynamo 28-02-2017 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9233026)
so is what rylance said sexist? if a man had gone on the oscars and said men are better at being empathic than women, all hell would have broken loose with such a generalization

its the oscars, virtue signalling is part of winning

user104658 28-02-2017 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9233023)
This is true, however have you studied how the brain actually changes with experiences yet? Basically, HOW you are brought up makes a difference, and females are socialized way differently to males. We are taught to put others first, be more empathetic and so on. From birth babies are treat differently based on if they are male or female. As such, the female and male brains can be different, but it is based on our lifestyles. There is no such thing as a 'male brain' or 'female brain' though, that much is true. And scientists cannot tell a male brain from a female one just by studying it.

Well that's true and not true depending on what you mean. They can't tell whether it's a male or female brain on autopsy based on the brain structure itself (a "dead brain") but viewing active scans of a live brain with the person performing specific tasks, the gender of the participant can be predicted with some degree of accuracy. Not 100%, obviously, as it's genuinely is much more of a "sliding scale" than being a "one or the other" thing.

user104658 28-02-2017 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9233026)
so is what rylance said sexist? if a man had gone on the oscars and said men are better at being empathic than women, all hell would have broken loose with such a generalization

I think he's a bit old to be considered the sexiest for me personally but that's really a choice you have to make for yourself :shrug:.

Livia 28-02-2017 09:57 AM

Well, men have had a good run at being in opposition, look at all the wars men have faught in the past - and are fighting currently. Since time began the men have gone off to war and the women have kept the homefires burning and nursed the wounded. It'd be interesting to see how the world would be if women held the reigns instead of men.

the truth 28-02-2017 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9233031)
Well, men have had a good run at being in opposition, look at all the wars men have faught in the past - and are fighting currently. Since time began the men have gone off to war and the women have kept the homefires burning and nursed the wounded. It'd be interesting to see how the world would be if women held the reigns instead of men.

95% of blairs female mps voted in favour of the illegal invasion of Iraq, including harriet harman and yvette cooper

harman demanded all women short lists in as many seats as possible because women had superior quaities to men She was clearly of the view that I was making my way slowly up a learning curve. She patiently explained that women possessed many qualities that were invaluable in politics, particularly modern politics, qualities lacking or deficient in most men.

The journalist asked for a list of these qualities. This was a question for which she was prepared and she was able to provide a rehearsed list of qualities without pause: 'Independence, clarity of thought, rationality, emotional commitment, communication and the courage to take actions irrespective of personal sacrifice.'


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Livia 28-02-2017 10:10 AM

I don't agree with all-female short lists even though men have been in charge for so long women are underrepresented in most fields. I believe in equality and that the best person for the job is the most qualified, regardless of sex. I also don't agree with wild generalisations that all women are one thing, and all men are another. I do think it would be interesting to see whether women would handle international conflict in a different way from men, who've been in the driving seat since time began where war is concerned.

Vicky. 28-02-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9233038)
I don't agree with all-female short lists even though men have been in charge for so long women are underrepresented in most fields. I believe in equality and that the best person for the job is the most qualified, regardless of sex. I also don't agree with wild generalisations that all women are one thing, and all men are another. I do think it would be interesting to see whether women would handle international conflict in a different way from men, who've been in the driving seat since time began where war is concerned.

Completely agree with this...I don't really get how 'woman only shortlists' are considered to be fighting inequality fairly at all. Yes, women are underrepresented in many areas BUT if we just start employing the best person for the job regardless of if they have a penis or not, then this would settle itself out over time. And if it doesn't? Then men are better for the job on average than women. Thats not a tragedy, there are obvious differences between the sexes and it should not be 'controversial' to state this. On average, men will be better at physical jobs that require strength than women are, and so on :shrug:

Niamh. 28-02-2017 02:29 PM

I would say it's an individual thing really, I don't think you can generalise something like that based on gender, it's more a personality trait imo

the truth 28-02-2017 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9233203)
I would say it's an individual thing really, I don't think you can generalise something like that based on gender, it's more a personality trait imo

yep so this is sexism against men

Crimson Dynamo 28-02-2017 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9233236)
yep so this is sexism against men

:clap1:

Marsh. 28-02-2017 03:21 PM

My god, get a new record.


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