Is Marcus a lot more intelligent then most give him credit for?
 

Can anyone confirm if this contains an exact qoute from Marcus?


If so then given the gramma used (not saying "identical to") it would mean expressing or resulting in identity.

The sentence could then be seen as meaning you could express an identity of yourself (one for show you most commonly use in a fake environment), but not be yourself (since the identity you are expressing isnt your true nature but mearly a facet of it used to diguise the whole).

I didnt see the conversation so dont know the context but it would be ironic if people who call Marcus crude (i.e. lacking in intellectual subtlety) do so partially because he is actually too subtle for them to understand.

Just a though.:bigsmile:

He is pretty intelligent, he just overshadows it with the way he acts. He is clearly quite switched on.

gramma?



:laugh2:

He is obviously not educated to a particularly high level but he is definitely much more intelligent than many people on this forum give him credit for. Also, many of his observations during the course of this series, both about events in the House and the way people are perceived on the outside, have been very astute.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, admittedly, thinking that Charlie is his friend is kind of dumb. :whistle:

Marcus last night - "Conflict of the human heart is to do what is wrong when you know what's right."

Legendary Big Brother philosopher Marcus the Wise.:love:

He is average intelligence but wants to believe he is a genius.
This results in something called 'fukktard syndrome'.

He has a high IQ.
Lisa is a moron.

That isn't what Marcus says. He credits Lisa with keen perception and consistency.
Oh oh.. now what do you do?

At least I can say he gets some obvious things right once in a while.
:joker:

I think he is pretty intelligent 90% of the time but then he says something completely stupid and spoils it!!

How could you possibly know what his IQ is! He probably doesn't even know that himself! Most people don't!

There IQs were measured by Big Brother.:eureka:

You are so mean!:tongue:

I was suggesting Marcus is bright not me!


P.S. you also overlooked I missed the t off of thought at the end.:bigsmile:

Did bb tell us their IQs? If so - what is his then?

Yes indeed I think it can often be very easy for some people to have an exaggerated view of their own intelligence.

We are all only human after all not computers.

122, Sophia had the highest and Freddie had 125 2nd highest

Sophia was top, followed by Freddie, followed by Marcus. Saffia was bottom & Lisa second bottom. Saffia & Lisa are morons.

anyone know what Beas IQ was?

They haven't revealed the IQs of the newer housemates.

David's would be very low.:conf:

When Marcus was called into the diary room when he had an argument with Sree it became very obvious that he is not stupid, far from it.

Even in this very tense situation he defended himself very logically. With proper education he may have made a good lawyer perhaps.

Yeah, I d say so! Would be curious to know Beas, she reckons she's clever but I'm not so sure she quite as clever as she thinks!!

Shame he doesn't put that 'intelligence' to better use then!

yeah, he's like "naturally clever" where as Beas cleverness was bought and paid for by mummy & daddy and it shows!!

At least Marcus tries to behave in an intelligent and logical way. Some of the rest of them seem to take pride in being stupid and not knowing anything. I hope my children never play the 'dumb' card for any reason.

:rolleyes:

Please can you check your inbox as I am scared now an earlier message may have been sent to the wrong person. :sad:

I was unaware he was ever percieved/considered as not being very intelligent? He's the smartest guy in there, has been from day one.

Dont know if it is interesting but from what I remember the original IQ tests carried out in the USA seperated Italian immigrants from English speaking ones due to their lack of ability to understand instructions given to the tests.:rolleyes:

I know IQ tests have come a long way there but sometimes do wonder what being able to fit a triangle in a box a certain way round or finding a missing number in a sequence can mean to life's challenges. In fact a true genius would probably think stuff up the examiner doesnt ever recognise as being a potential "right answer".

Always wondered how a person could ever be able to work out if he spoke to the most intelligent how intelligent that person was without being on the same level.

But then I am sad and think about stuff like that WAY too much.:bigsmile:

If the IQ levels given on the forum are correct - then he is not the most intelligent - Freddie was most intelligent of the males! A female (Sophia) was the most intelligent of the bunch!

Dont know I started taking an interest after I saw Bea and Kenneth in the garden and was too facinated by Bea to notice Marcus.

He came over as a bit dumb at the time to me and thought that quite a few folk had that impression of him.

Sophia, Freddie & Marcus scored about 130.

Lisa & Saffia scored about 50.

Noirin scored 80.

The others were about average - between 90 &100.

Do you really feel IQ tests are a very good indication of different types of intelligence?

My ex had higher then all of them and she went out with me!

I think that proves how much they tell you.:laugh3:

I'm sorry - but they don't sound right to me!

80 is a low score - about equal with someone with downs syndrome! I don't believe Noirin was only 80!

And 50 - that is too low - my understanding is that 50 would be backward! Lisa is actually quite sharp - no way is she 50!

Bans
"Some of the rest of them seem to take pride in being stupid and not knowing anything. "
I really don't think they have any choice, it's a natural gift!

IQ tests just measure logical thought processes. You can teach yourself to be more intelligent (if that makes sense!) by repeatly doing the tests you can up your score. I think there are other types of tests to measure different thought processes.

I know Charlie is more intelligent than he pretends to be, therefore he is dumbing down to appear approachable and get the 'aw a dimwit' vote! He takes pride in 'appearing to be' stupid, and it is irriatting!

:hugesmile:

128 Sophia
125 Freddie
122 Marcus
99 Siavash
97 Charlie
94 Angel
92 Kris
92 Cairon
80 Noirin
89 Rodrigo
79 Karly
74 Sree
69 Saffia
60 Sophie
55 Lisa

The validity of IQ tests are notoriously debatable with many beileving that they are culturally weighted in favour of the communities who design and construct them i.e. well educated middle class academics and etc.

That said, if we are to go with the BB IQs then i think that Fred and Marcus where serperated by a couple of points at(if my memory serves me)123 and 125.

With the scores being so close it could be put down to performance on the day.

I think we should take the BB scores with a very sceptical pinch of salt though as many of the house mates were given IQs that actually are more consistent with being very mentally challanged. I think Lisa got 55!!! I think it's probable that it would be very difficult to function in society with an IQ of less than 75(again i think quite a few of the HM had IQs lower than or around this mark)

Anyway even if Fred has a higher IQ then marcus, Fred lacked the ability to mix sucessfully with the rest of the house. Probably due to thje fact that the environment of Statley homes, boarding schools, and oxbridge whilst perhaps engendering high IQs leaves one unable to 'get on with' others from mixed socio economic groups.

Back to OP. Marcus is of course wrong. It is not possible to not BE yourself. You can pretend not to be yourself but that is another thing all together.

Nevertheless, yes Marcus has a high Intelligence Quotient which he uses exclusively for his own advantage. His low Emotional Quotient allows him to do this without compunction for the harm he inflicts on others.

You can't blame him for this, after all, he cannot help BEING himself. He CAN pretend to be other than himself, as he has done when he has led Siavash, Freddie and Bea to believe that he is their friend.