Siavash's Fence-sitting is Davina's problem?
 

Maybe it's the fact that Siavash ALWAYS has his ass planted squarely in the middle of the fence when it comes to everything that is making Davina dislike him so much?
For example, his "Everything is cool, we're still friends" attitude towards Noirin,
and "She was misjudged" stance on Bea whilst Freddie was right there, just to name a few.
I don't know,
It's just a possibility.
:puzzled:

Nah, Im pretty sure that its because he openly admitted not liking her.

It doesnt matter anyway, her bias shouldnt show when she is presenting.

By the way, when did he mention that he didn't like her so much?

also, I wouldn't call, the only person to stick up for thee least popular person in the series (Bea) fence sitting!

He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.

[rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.

[rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz

[rquote=2564005&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz[/rquote]

I really like you Setanta but you have a huge problem in giving credit where credit is due!! I know you dont like Siavash but why couldn't you commend him for sticking up for the least popular HM ever tonight?? I feckin hate Bea but will say that she was unjustly targeted tonight, not fair!!! Why wasn't Lisa ever questioned on her alleged bullying of Freddie?? the majority of the voting public wanted this???

Davina's still pissed off at Siavash because he came between her 'ideal romance' of Tom and Noirin (inside the house).

I'm referring to a video I seen on the C4 BB website a while ago by the way, in which Davina was talking about her favourite romances. Her number one was Tom and Noirin believe it or not.

[rquote=2564018&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564005&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz[/rquote]

I really like you Setanta but you have a huge problem in giving credit where credit is due!! I know you dont like Siavash but why couldn't you commend him for sticking up for the least popular HM ever tonight?? I feckin hate Bea but will say that she was unjustly targeted tonight, not fair!!! Why wasn't Lisa ever questioned on her alleged bullying of Freddie?? the majority of the voting public wanted this???[/rquote]

She wasn't targeted at all..what are you talking about..
She was practically given a pat on the back by the two celebrity guests on the show. Treating her behaviour as some sort of joke. There's a reason she's hated in any case

haha she is quite biased like the only thing i liked her saying in the whole series was dont u think charlie is a **** stirrer n she said it wen everyone liked him!!! surely he is allowed to say he doesnt like her i imagine loads of people dont like her!!! xx

[rquote=2564018&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564005&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz[/rquote]

I really like you Setanta but you have a huge problem in giving credit where credit is due!! I know you dont like Siavash but why couldn't you commend him for sticking up for the least popular HM ever tonight?? I feckin hate Bea but will say that she was unjustly targeted tonight, not fair!!! Why wasn't Lisa ever questioned on her alleged bullying of Freddie?? the majority of the voting public wanted this???[/rquote]

I like you too but the thing about the whole Lisa situation is that they couldn't really bring up the Freddie incident for fear of the bully word being mentioned, a word that has too much of a connection with the show already. They were just playing it safe and she wasn't the only one involved in it to be fair. Wouldn't targetting her just cause more of a problem for the show in general and create more anger all round?

As for Siavash, he has a long history of playing the saint in the show and it's getting very very dull. I don't believe for one moment that he was being genuine at all really and in any case, he wasn't being asked to comment on it as Bea is well capable of defending herself. He was just doing his holier than thou act again and Davina wasn't in the mood to listen to it.

[rquote=2564031&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl][rquote=2564018&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564005&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz[/rquote]

I really like you Setanta but you have a huge problem in giving credit where credit is due!! I know you dont like Siavash but why couldn't you commend him for sticking up for the least popular HM ever tonight?? I feckin hate Bea but will say that she was unjustly targeted tonight, not fair!!! Why wasn't Lisa ever questioned on her alleged bullying of Freddie?? the majority of the voting public wanted this???[/rquote]

She wasn't targeted at all..what are you talking about..
She was practically given a pat on the back by the two celebrity guests on the show. Treating her behaviour as some sort of joke. There's a reason she's hated in any case[/rquote]

As I've said I really, really disliked her more than any other HM ever while she was on the show but she wa the only one tonight made out to be a bitch, which whilst I agree with that so was Lisa but she wa never made accountable, why?

Well Lisa has never been questioned for her behaviour on any of the aftershows...and no signs of it elsewhere, and you're right. It makes no sense. My initial feeling was that it was the result of a subconscious aversion to lisa as someone that's a bit of a lost cause/loose cannon..but that still doesn't make much sense. I guess people just have V bad memory...because Lisa actually evolved and changed a lot more than Bea.

[rquote=2564046&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564031&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl][rquote=2564018&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564005&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz[/rquote]

I really like you Setanta but you have a huge problem in giving credit where credit is due!! I know you dont like Siavash but why couldn't you commend him for sticking up for the least popular HM ever tonight?? I feckin hate Bea but will say that she was unjustly targeted tonight, not fair!!! Why wasn't Lisa ever questioned on her alleged bullying of Freddie?? the majority of the voting public wanted this???[/rquote]

She wasn't targeted at all..what are you talking about..
She was practically given a pat on the back by the two celebrity guests on the show. Treating her behaviour as some sort of joke. There's a reason she's hated in any case[/rquote]

As I've said I really, really disliked her more than any other HM ever while she was on the show but she wa the only one tonight made out to be a bitch, which whilst I agree with that so was Lisa but she wa never made accountable, why?[/rquote]

I honestly think it's to do with the bully word and how the producers want to avoid it like the plague. Bea got backup from the two guests anyway: I wouldn't be worrying too much about her as she's convinced that she's justified in everything she does. It wouldn't surprise me anyway if Lisa does know in her that she f£cked up in the first few weeks by allowing her irritation to boil over with Freddie.

[rquote=2564038&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564018&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564005&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz[/rquote]

I really like you Setanta but you have a huge problem in giving credit where credit is due!! I know you dont like Siavash but why couldn't you commend him for sticking up for the least popular HM ever tonight?? I feckin hate Bea but will say that she was unjustly targeted tonight, not fair!!! Why wasn't Lisa ever questioned on her alleged bullying of Freddie?? the majority of the voting public wanted this???[/rquote]

I like you too but the thing about the whole Lisa situation is that they couldn't really bring up the Freddie incident for fear of the bully word being mentioned, a word that has too much of a connection with the show already. They were just playing it safe and she wasn't the only one involved in it to be fair. Wouldn't targetting her just cause more of a problem for the show in general and create more anger all round?

As for Siavash, he has a long history of playing the saint in the show and it's getting very very dull. I don't believe for one moment that he was being genuine at all really and in any case, he wasn't being asked to comment on it as Bea is well capable of defending herself. He was just doing his holier than thou act again and Davina wasn't in the mood to listen to it.[/rquote]

Well, if we are forced to bring up the "bully" word then Bea was the only one to cry it in the first place! But Davina grilled Noirin, who, in my opinion wasn't as bad as Lisa and Bea, who, was but she got her comeuppance but Lisa never did??? in fact it was never even mentioned and it should have been. The general public and mulitipal Freddie Fans wanted it but got nothing, why?

[rquote=2564058&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564038&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564018&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564005&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz[/rquote]

I really like you Setanta but you have a huge problem in giving credit where credit is due!! I know you dont like Siavash but why couldn't you commend him for sticking up for the least popular HM ever tonight?? I feckin hate Bea but will say that she was unjustly targeted tonight, not fair!!! Why wasn't Lisa ever questioned on her alleged bullying of Freddie?? the majority of the voting public wanted this???[/rquote]

I like you too but the thing about the whole Lisa situation is that they couldn't really bring up the Freddie incident for fear of the bully word being mentioned, a word that has too much of a connection with the show already. They were just playing it safe and she wasn't the only one involved in it to be fair. Wouldn't targetting her just cause more of a problem for the show in general and create more anger all round?

As for Siavash, he has a long history of playing the saint in the show and it's getting very very dull. I don't believe for one moment that he was being genuine at all really and in any case, he wasn't being asked to comment on it as Bea is well capable of defending herself. He was just doing his holier than thou act again and Davina wasn't in the mood to listen to it.[/rquote]

Well, if we are forced to bring up the "bully" word then Bea was the only one to cry it in the first place! But Davina grilled Noirin, who, in my opinion wasn't as bad as Lisa and Bea, who, was but she got her comeuppance but Lisa never did??? in fact it was never even mentioned and it should have been. The general public and mulitipal Freddie Fans wanted it but got nothing, why?[/rquote]

Basically because of the association that word has with the show and how much bad press they have received in the past because of it. The show was on it's knees on many occassions when bullying of any kind was aired. I can understand their hesitation in bringing it up again.

[rquote=2564062&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564058&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564038&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564018&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564005&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz[/rquote]

I really like you Setanta but you have a huge problem in giving credit where credit is due!! I know you dont like Siavash but why couldn't you commend him for sticking up for the least popular HM ever tonight?? I feckin hate Bea but will say that she was unjustly targeted tonight, not fair!!! Why wasn't Lisa ever questioned on her alleged bullying of Freddie?? the majority of the voting public wanted this???[/rquote]

I like you too but the thing about the whole Lisa situation is that they couldn't really bring up the Freddie incident for fear of the bully word being mentioned, a word that has too much of a connection with the show already. They were just playing it safe and she wasn't the only one involved in it to be fair. Wouldn't targetting her just cause more of a problem for the show in general and create more anger all round?

As for Siavash, he has a long history of playing the saint in the show and it's getting very very dull. I don't believe for one moment that he was being genuine at all really and in any case, he wasn't being asked to comment on it as Bea is well capable of defending herself. He was just doing his holier than thou act again and Davina wasn't in the mood to listen to it.[/rquote]

Well, if we are forced to bring up the "bully" word then Bea was the only one to cry it in the first place! But Davina grilled Noirin, who, in my opinion wasn't as bad as Lisa and Bea, who, was but she got her comeuppance but Lisa never did??? in fact it was never even mentioned and it should have been. The general public and mulitipal Freddie Fans wanted it but got nothing, why?[/rquote]

Basically because of the association that word has with the show and how much bad press they have received in the past because of it. The show was on it's knees on many occassions when bullying of any kind was aired. I can understand their hesitation in bringing it up again.[/rquote]

So, by that reckoning, it's ok to be horrible to Noirin & Bea but not to Lisa?? I don't get it?? why?

Well it *should* be brought up and not swept under the carpet...this will be part of my hesitation to watch this thing again. I thought we were watching a reality show..real life, real consequences. Not something that will be censored and edited like some sort of hollywood movie.
And bullying should be addressed. BB could be quite educational but it seems the producers are doing everything in their line to resist that. Heaven forbid we might learn something *gasp*

[rquote=2564068&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564062&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564058&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564038&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564018&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564005&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2563983&tid=147469&author=VickyJ][rquote=2563981&tid=147469&author=farhad]He said it in the 1st week saying she is a bad interviewer and BB should change her.[/rquote]Yup.[/rquote]

Yep, thought that him showing a bit of balls would have coincided with Cairon still being in the house. Interesting how he became so neutral and reserved once that guy left and he had to develop a new strategy. Also very funny when you consider how he defended Bea tonight.... it's like he's forever trying to act like the saint now. Zzzzz[/rquote]

I really like you Setanta but you have a huge problem in giving credit where credit is due!! I know you dont like Siavash but why couldn't you commend him for sticking up for the least popular HM ever tonight?? I feckin hate Bea but will say that she was unjustly targeted tonight, not fair!!! Why wasn't Lisa ever questioned on her alleged bullying of Freddie?? the majority of the voting public wanted this???[/rquote]

I like you too but the thing about the whole Lisa situation is that they couldn't really bring up the Freddie incident for fear of the bully word being mentioned, a word that has too much of a connection with the show already. They were just playing it safe and she wasn't the only one involved in it to be fair. Wouldn't targetting her just cause more of a problem for the show in general and create more anger all round?

As for Siavash, he has a long history of playing the saint in the show and it's getting very very dull. I don't believe for one moment that he was being genuine at all really and in any case, he wasn't being asked to comment on it as Bea is well capable of defending herself. He was just doing his holier than thou act again and Davina wasn't in the mood to listen to it.[/rquote]

Well, if we are forced to bring up the "bully" word then Bea was the only one to cry it in the first place! But Davina grilled Noirin, who, in my opinion wasn't as bad as Lisa and Bea, who, was but she got her comeuppance but Lisa never did??? in fact it was never even mentioned and it should have been. The general public and mulitipal Freddie Fans wanted it but got nothing, why?[/rquote]

Basically because of the association that word has with the show and how much bad press they have received in the past because of it. The show was on it's knees on many occassions when bullying of any kind was aired. I can understand their hesitation in bringing it up again.[/rquote]

So, by that reckoning, it's ok to be horrible to Noirin & Bea but not to Lisa?? I don't get it?? why?[/rquote]

Because of the bully word. I know that sounds mental but I seriously think they're just trying to avoid it.

So therefore, you admit that the show was bias?

Regarding the idea that the bullying issue has been avoided...setanta, what real reason do they have to avoid it?? I can understand the need to avoid any sort of racist bullying after the CBB Jade Goody et al incident..but surely behavioural problems like bullying are just part in parcel with a reality show or documentation of people and their behaviour. Just a thought.

[rquote=2564076&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]So therefore, you admit that the show was bias?[/rquote]

No no; I just think the show is covering it's own ass. Don't you remember all the sh£t they went through with the various bullying and racist incidents that have occurred in the past? Sure Davina mentioned in an article recently that more demands and restrictions have been placed on them over the last couple of years so that might explain why they want to bury this whole incident.

[rquote=2564099&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564076&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]So therefore, you admit that the show was bias?[/rquote]

No no; I just think the show is covering it's own ass. Don't you remember all the sh£t they went through with the various bullying and racist incidents that have occurred in the past? Sure Davina mentioned in an article recently that more demands and restrictions have been placed on them over the last couple of years so that might explain why they want to bury this whole incident.[/rquote]

Yes, but BB is a social study really, it's a real life "Lord of the Flies" experiance, there is naturally going to be bullys invloved in that type of set up so Channel 4 should have been more set up and prepared for it!

On Freddie's eviction-BBBM, Davina said Freddie was bullied a bit and so did Terry Christian. It was discussed on that show.

Ever since then it has never been mentioned. Curious?

As for Bea, I do believe after seeing her on post-eviction shows, and esp after tonight (e.g. she said 'don't go on TV!'), that she has been suffering and has learnt something from the experience. Lisa also looked humbled somewhat.

We have all had our pound of flesh! Time to move on

[rquote=2564069&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]Well it *should* be brought up and not swept under the carpet...this will be part of my hesitation to watch this thing again. I thought we were watching a reality show..real life, real consequences. Not something that will be censored and edited like some sort of hollywood movie.
And bullying should be addressed. BB could be quite educational but it seems the producers are doing everything in their line to resist that. Heaven forbid we might learn something *gasp*[/rquote]

Sorry for not responding to you Nolasgirl! I agree with alot of your points aswell, and I think we should be selected as creative ideas directors in BB10!!

[rquote=2564108&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564099&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564076&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]So therefore, you admit that the show was bias?[/rquote]

No no; I just think the show is covering it's own ass. Don't you remember all the sh£t they went through with the various bullying and racist incidents that have occurred in the past? Sure Davina mentioned in an article recently that more demands and restrictions have been placed on them over the last couple of years so that might explain why they want to bury this whole incident.[/rquote]

Yes, but BB is a social study really, it's a real life "Lord of the Flies" experiance, there is naturally going to be bullys invloved in that type of set up so Channel 4 should have been more set up and prepared for it![/rquote]

I agree but they do have a history concerning this subject that they would really like to forget, especially when you consider Jade Goody's fate etc. It's obviously a touchy issue for the show and further restrictions and monitoring have been in place recently. Honestly, I can't think of any other reason why they wouldn't want to highlight Lisa right now, can you? Kinda makes sense to evade it.

Yes but, it just feels so unfair then when all the other "baddies" had a hard time and not them! Oh well, such is life!! we shall move on and there's always BB10!! LOL!!!

[rquote=2564113&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564069&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]Well it *should* be brought up and not swept under the carpet...this will be part of my hesitation to watch this thing again. I thought we were watching a reality show..real life, real consequences. Not something that will be censored and edited like some sort of hollywood movie.
And bullying should be addressed. BB could be quite educational but it seems the producers are doing everything in their line to resist that. Heaven forbid we might learn something *gasp*[/rquote]

Sorry for not responding to you Nolasgirl! I agree with alot of your points aswell, and I think we should be selected as creative ideas directors in BB10!![/rquote]

For def :wink: Let's take over...
More direction for next year!

Fair enough point in the example of Jade Goody, people's lives potentially being ruined for mistakes made etc. But if they are going to evade it..they should at least have the decency to intervene when things are getting out of hand. But they didn't. They didn't seem to have the well-being of the victim of the bullying in mind. That's the problem.

I must admit, went abit off Siavash when he said 'Bea is misjudged'.
Misjudged my a$$! He is really trying to play the nice guy now,
maybe to stay in the limelight?

Anyway, I would hav emoved him down to 'like' if this sort of thing occured in the house,
but i did love him as a character whilst in there, but now he seems abit fake.

Anyway, glad to see Freddie & Marcus and Roddy & Sophie continue their relationship as buddies :thumbs:

[rquote=2564128&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl][rquote=2564113&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564069&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]Well it *should* be brought up and not swept under the carpet...this will be part of my hesitation to watch this thing again. I thought we were watching a reality show..real life, real consequences. Not something that will be censored and edited like some sort of hollywood movie.
And bullying should be addressed. BB could be quite educational but it seems the producers are doing everything in their line to resist that. Heaven forbid we might learn something *gasp*[/rquote]

Sorry for not responding to you Nolasgirl! I agree with alot of your points aswell, and I think we should be selected as creative ideas directors in BB10!![/rquote]

For def :wink: Let's take over...
More direction for next year!

Fair enough point in the example of Jade Goody, people's lives potentially being ruined for mistakes made etc. But if they are going to evade it..they should at least have the decency to intervene when things are getting out of hand. But they didn't. They didn't seem to have the well-being of the victim of the bullying in mind. That's the problem.[/rquote]

Yeah, and using Jade Goody as an example, I know she's dead and it's unpopular to be mean to her but I'm not really trying to be mean, she was racist, you cant give a bad edit to someone who was actually being racist, can you?? and, also, she definately was being a bully as well

[rquote=2564134&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564128&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl][rquote=2564113&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2564069&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]Well it *should* be brought up and not swept under the carpet...this will be part of my hesitation to watch this thing again. I thought we were watching a reality show..real life, real consequences. Not something that will be censored and edited like some sort of hollywood movie.
And bullying should be addressed. BB could be quite educational but it seems the producers are doing everything in their line to resist that. Heaven forbid we might learn something *gasp*[/rquote]

Sorry for not responding to you Nolasgirl! I agree with alot of your points aswell, and I think we should be selected as creative ideas directors in BB10!![/rquote]

For def :wink: Let's take over...
More direction for next year!

Fair enough point in the example of Jade Goody, people's lives potentially being ruined for mistakes made etc. But if they are going to evade it..they should at least have the decency to intervene when things are getting out of hand. But they didn't. They didn't seem to have the well-being of the victim of the bullying in mind. That's the problem.[/rquote]

Yeah, and using Jade Goody as an example, I know she's dead and it's unpopular to be mean to her but I'm not really trying to be mean, she was racist, you cant give a bad edit to someone who was actually being racist, can you?? and, also, she definately was being a bully as well[/rquote]

Do you two not remember the article in the paper where Davina spoke about how they're basically in shackles at the moment through all the demands that have been placed on them recently? That the have to adhere to a certain set of restrictions ..... I actually can't remember the word she used for restrictions and demands (it was a good one too!). But yeah, I think they're just trying to avoid any controversy.

I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point.

They, as in Channel4/Big Brother? OK, but I still cant see where the line was drawn and it was OK to crucifie Bea but completly justify Lisas behaviour??

[rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

YAY!! Nolasgirl is definately my BB twin tonight!

[rquote=2564155&tid=147469&author=Niamhxo]They, as in Channel4/Big Brother? OK, but I still cant see where the line was drawn and it was OK to crucifie Bea but completly justify Lisas behaviour??[/rquote]

This was the original point- if they were trying to evade the issue entirely they wouldn't have addressed Bea's behaviour at all. Just playing devils advocate. I know that to an extent what you're saying setanta is v much the case, but doesn't explain the inconsistent treatment of ex-housemates

[rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

I keep thinking about the Freddie situation and how it was aired and it really annoys me that we actually didn't have live feed at a time like that to really see what went on, you know? Because when they condense the day into an hour they're obviously going to give us the juiciest parts and there's the possibility (don't attack me here!) that they may have demonised Lisa and her gang somewhat in their chase for ratings. Just a thought; probably waffle. How long did the isolation of Freddie last?

The lack of intervention is really down to Freddie who commendably never once played the victim and always stood strong and dignified in front of the accuasations that were levelled at him. He never once played for sympathy and his mood was always being monitored by the diary room. I'm just wondering how often they attacked him. I don't think they did that that often: it was more to do with the social isolation that he had to endure that really saddened me.

[rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

They did intervene - Lisa got two warnings apparently.

The 'B' word was mentioned on Freddie's eviction (BBBM) a few times. But was never mentioned on Lisa's eviction. I think it was a production protection thing, but more to quell the off-chance that Lisa could kick off - she actually almost did with McCririck when he told her some home truths

[rquote=2564176&tid=147469&author=setanta][rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

I keep thinking about the Freddie situation and how it was aired and it really annoys me that we actually didn't have live feed at a time like that to really see what went on, you know? Because when they condense the day into an hour they're obviously going to give us the juiciest parts and there's the possibility (don't attack me here!) that they may have demonised Lisa and her gang somewhat in their chase for ratings. Just a thought; probably waffle. How long did the isolation of Freddie last?

The lack of intervention is really down to Freddie who commendably never once played the victim and always stood strong and dignified in front of the accuasations that were levelled at him. He never once played for sympathy and his mood was always being monitored by the diary room. I'm just wondering how often they attacked him. I don't think they did that that often: it was more to do with the social isolation that he had to endure that really saddened me.



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It's a good point. LF takes so much power away from the viewer. But the clips we saw were pretty awful, and the Marcus-Lisa row was quite telling in that Marcus kept calling her a 'bully' and then said to Freddie 'I'm not trying to protect you Freddie, you can fight your own corner, this is about me and her' - or something like that. So it definitely was an issue even for them as HMs, and a vibe that could be seen from within the house, I think.

[rquote=2564185&tid=147469&author=J-Rock][rquote=2564153&tid=147469&author=NolasGirl]I didn't see it... it's fair enough to a point. However, they didn't exactly 'intervene' when Freddie was being ganged up on (I would use the word victimised, but I know I might be called extreme)..so who are they trying to protect?? Themselves. Not the well-being of BB candidates.
In any case, the point is...I don't want to watch a censored reality show, it defeats the purpose. Either face the music or don't watch it, complain or, in relation to the media, lambast the producers. A reality show that's been edited to pieces- no point. [/rquote]

They did intervene - Lisa got two warnings apparently.

The 'B' word was mentioned on Freddie's eviction (BBBM) a few times. But was never mentioned on Lisa's eviction. I think it was a production protection thing, but more to quell the off-chance that Lisa could kick off - she actually almost did with McCririck when he told her some home truths
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Well, you hit the nail on the head ther, she got 2 warnings but absolutely nothing was mentioned to her on her eviction or any other time since, for fear of upsetting her, I reckon!