Jan Moir Article
 

having actually read it..

Is this just another example of internet based liberal hysteria?

No its another example of the Daily "hate" Mail hysteria...Charlie Brooker sums it up best

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ately-jan-moir

Yes she needs to
say Sorry
as he died of Natural reasons.

It will not Kill her.

She made a big error on how he died
thats why they are going for her.

Does anyone think that the events leading up to his death were at best sordid?

VERY sordid...

First he laid down
Then he closed his eyes
Then his heart stopped

Jan Moir should be fired for making up such **** and passing it off as fact

Are you saying that he did not take drugs and have a 3 way with a random Bulgarian chap even though he was married and took legal vows to the contrary?

did I miss something here?

Yeh you did, you missed the overwhelming evidence that he didnt do that

http://www.sofiaecho.com/2009/10/16/...attend-funeral


I love the last line. sounds like a nice guy.

...and that proves what?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...5875-21751006/

The man who found Stephen's body says he has been invited to the funeral.

Bulgarian-born Georgi Dochev, 25, said he had not yet decided whether to make the trip from Majorca to Ireland.

He admitted the death had left him petrified of dying and scared to sleep. Jobless Georgi, speaking from his flat near Palma, said: "Stephen's family invited me to the funeral. I don't know why. Maybe they want to meet me.


"I still haven't decided. I'm talking to my partner about it."

Georgi was partying with Stephen and husband Andy Cowles, 32, in Palma last Friday and went back to the pair's flat with them early on Saturday. He said Andy went to bed and he slept in the spare room upstairs leaving Stephen in his pyjamas on the sofa.

But when he went downstairs at around 1.45pm that afternoon Stephen was dead.

The ex-waiter added: "We were just partying that night but I can't really tell you why I went back to their house. I don't think this is a normal story."

Georgi said he had been looking after Andy, who will fly back to Dublin today with Stephen's body. He added: "I've been speaking to him several times a day by phone."



Millionaire pop star befriends jobless Bulgarian and invites him back to his flat for cheese and wine?

Oh right it must have been some sordid gay sex then, thats what they do isnt it?

Yes, you missed the part where you wasnt there

How can you know what happened in the hours before his death?

As opposed to what?


Scrabble and some after eight mints:conf:

What seems to cause the concern is the fact that the poor chap concerned (Gateley) was "married". What was a unemployed Bulgarian, who had a partener already, doing there? Lets face it everyone was pissed and on dope so one does not have to be a brain surgeon to perhaps suggest that something very un-married was afoot.

Strange how there was no drugs mentioned in the port mortem report isnt it?
and had you thought maybe they just stayed up and talked?

I am guessing that you don't work in the legal profession?

His Heart
was not Strong Enough.
He would be Alive today if he had a Good Doctor.

The worst thing is the way Louie Walsh
can not handle death of a mate.


Life Goes On.

As does X factor.

I'm guessing you dont either, I'm also guessing you dont work as a forensic scientist, or dont work as a doctor either

Im guessing LetaherTrumpet needs some Grammar classes, No Drugs involved as per the post mortem. Jan Moir Article was wrong, needs to say sorry.

Yes Ice
Bang On Right.

Those who are using the death of an innocent man to further there own agendas on drugs and/or homosexuality should be ashamed of themselves.

The MEDICAL reports by the medical PROFESSIONALS are out. He died of natural causes. Case closed. Take your hate ball and go home.

I am guessing you dont dabble from time to time in sane rationality?

Get your feet wet, kid. It's a fantastic world.

Just read it - pretty offensive.

To be honest the article was too stupid to be considered offensive. People always miss the point with these things.

''Was it offensive?''
''Should Jan be entitled to her views?''
''Was it offensive?''

Shhhhh, quiet people. Your missing the entire point. She is an idiot. End of story. The article does not deserve the debate it's spawning.

For instance, she says something against what she calls the 'myth' of safe civil unions. Right. Right. Because straight sex marriages always turn out peachy. Thats why divorce is non existent and the police never get domestic abuse calls.

Right? Right?

Once again, Jan Moir - idiot. What I hate most about her is she is a closet homophobe. Like the ''new and improved'' BNP she is clearly a bigot and a homophobe but denies it in today's public. But we all know it. She knows it.

So no theories as to what the unemployed Bulgarian was doing there?

I dont think anyone is suggesting that he died other than of untimely natural causes but i am not hearing much about what a "married" couple were doing with the otherwise attached Bulgarian?

as I said before I dont think he went their for a chat about the x- factor. The Moir article does make a valid point about just how steady are these civil partnerships because men are men. A man and a woman compliment each other sexually, a man and man do not and do not lend themselves to monogamy

We dont know why he was there, gay couples can have friends back just like straight couples...straight couples can have threesomes too and so on...the Moir arcticle was implying that he died in suspicious circumstances and not natural causes because of his gay lifestyle...I dont see how homosexual couples dont lend themselves to monogamy and dont compliment each other sexually? Could you expand on that? They hadnt taken drugs either...you think that would be kept secret? Yes cos they never let on if drugs have been involved? eh?

Why do you think that chap was there, taking aside your pro-homosexual bias?

men are men, they have a whole different genetic and sexual make-up to women. men do not need romance etc to get sexually aroused, they can turn on in an instant. men and women's sexuality compliment each other men and men do not.

95 % of the population are not gay and there is a very good reason for that.

I dont know why he was there but there was no evidence of drug taking or anything suspicious surrounding Stephens death which is what Jan Moir was implying and she was implying it because he was gay. His sexuality has nothing to do with how he died so the rest I couldnt give a ****

"men do not need romance etc to get sexually aroused" I think you will find women don't either. What does it matter if gately had a 3'some and a smoke? Are you saying he got so stoned he passed out and got bummed to death? Married straight couples do the same thing so they are just as "sordid" Not that I think having a 3'some is sordid. Going behind your partners back is.

Anyway, Jan Moir is most likely a child molester. I have absoloutly no proof to back this claim up, but it is my opinion. I shall see if i can get that in the Mail.

So whats the official TIBB verdict here, did God, knowing full well what would happen, sprinkle the spliff with a hyperactive, fast acting and devastating immunity system destroying virus undetectable to medical professions?

And then did this spliff somehow end up, ash side up, logged up his ass?

Just wondering. Curiosity is a curious beast.

Enlighten us. I could do with a healthy laugh before I go off to shag a man and smoke pot.

This guy (Leathertrumpet) sees the world through rose coloured glasses.... 95% what are you on about dude? If your gonna talk crap at least try and get a near enough statistic...

yeah thats about 4 years out of date.

lets just say that there is a big neon sign in ones anus saying "one way traffic only"

dont blame me, blame Darwin.


Personally I think homosexuality is a lot to do with nurture than nature.

yes, a lot could have happened statistically in 4 years

:whistle:

Well what you are trying to use as a statistic is 4 years out of date therfore doesnt apply for now 2009 not 2005.

You can appreciate that this is not a yearly collated statistic. 4 years ago is a very good source for data of this nature.

For your slating of someone who died of natural causes just because he was Gay? yeah I appreciate that.

Okay my thoughts on this thread.

1. Jan Moir's an idiot but I do hope the article hurts the Daily Mail badly I hate that newspaper.

2. LeatherTrumpet must be a medical and forensic genius as well as psychic and having the ability to turn invisible and to teleport in order to draw his conclusions. With powers like that you should be stopping bank robberies and saving the poor dear Trumpet not bashing a dead man's reputation.

In conclusion Mr Trumpet, there's STACKS of evidence against your argument you might as well just say that you hate homosexuality as it's fairly abvious, like Ms Moir that you are a raging homophobe.

What a ridiculous argument, evident by the fact that it's a hole, really, and that's about it. Waste comes out of it, but some men enjoy sticking there parts up it for pleasure. It gives them pleasure. They are happy. I am happy. What do I care.

I suppose your against fellatio, too then? And pretty much everything else sex related that has no direct involvement with creating a child?

Or are certain acts [that you enjoy] allowed in that whacky world of yours?

If God prevented Homosexuality from ever existing, which he easily could, after all, he is as I am told 'da man' then he would not have to go to the trouble of killing them off in flats in Spain.

Well said.