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Benjamin 11-10-2010 01:40 AM

7th July Bombings Inquest To Begin
 
Quote:


11 October 2010


7 July London bombings inquests to begin



Survivors of the 7 July London bombings will be among those giving evidence The inquests for the 52 people killed by four suicide bombers in the 7 July 2005 London attacks are due to start.

The hearings were delayed because of criminal investigations and questions over what the inquests should cover.

Lady Justice Hallett, the coroner, will preside over five months of hearings without a jury into the attacks on three Underground trains and a bus.

She will look at whether MI5 could have stopped the bombers - but many victims' families still want a public inquiry.


In addition to the 52 people killed, some 700 other people were injured, many of them severely and permanently, when the four al-Qaeda-backed suicide bombers, all British men, detonated their devices.

The hearings at the Royal Courts of Justice in London are expected to last until at least March next year and will look into the precise details of the 2005 attacks.

Witnesses will include survivors of the attacks on underground trains near Aldgate, Edgware Road and Russell Square Tube stations, and on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square, near King's Cross.

Members of the emergency services who tried to save lives will also give evidence.

The inquests are expected to open with the hearings being shown footage and pictures of aftermath of the attacks that have never been seen before.


7 July: Key facts

Four bombs:

Three on underground trains
One on bus

Victims:

26 at Russell Square
13 on bus at Tavistock Place
7 at Aldgate
6 at Edgware Road


Suicide bombers:

Hasib Hussain
Mohammad Sidique Khan
Germaine Lindsay
Shehzad Tanweer

The images are being used to set out accurately what happened - but are expected to have been heavily edited to not show any of the victims.

In a ruling earlier this year, Lady Justice Hallett said she would also look into the backgrounds of the bombers - and what the security services knew about them.

Two years after the attacks, it emerged that MI5 had come across the ringleader and one of the other bombers during their investigations into another extremist cell.

Some families believe the security services and police had enough information to work out that Mohammad Sidique Khan, the ringleader, was a threat. Security officials insist they only had fragments of information and could not have predicted what happened.

There have been two official reports into the bombings by the Intelligence and Security Committee in Parliament, both of which said that MI5 should not be blamed.

But Graham Foulkes, father of 22-year-old David who was killed by the Edgware Road bomb, said he and other families were angry that the security service was still attempting to keep information out of the public domain.


Lady Justice Hallett: Appeal Court judge turned coroner "By every kind of moral standard that you're brought up with, that's wrong," he said.

"You're told, if you make a mistake, you hold up your hands. My view is that their incompetence allowed Mohammad Sidique Khan to get through."

Many of the relatives of victims are represented in the inquests and will be able to question witnesses.

Ros Morley, whose husband Colin died following the attack at Edgware Road, said: "Innocent citizens in the UK and worldwide need to know that they are protected now and in the future.

"I hope it is possible to gain something positive out of a deeply tragic event in which 52 innocent people lost their lives."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11511461

arista 11-10-2010 01:41 PM

Yes shocking one Relative
is Angry at the MI5 who first told one thing.
Then later it came out
that they were tracking the Leader Bomber Khan.


These 4 bombers were like the 9/11 crew
they went ahead with Large backpacks


Also khan had said before the event
that the UK must get out of Iraq or else
on a Video.

Of course by day time he was a simple supply teacher
not many knew he was the Leader
of that Deadly London Suicide Bombers

arista 11-10-2010 05:11 PM

One man that was on the Edgware Road train and was saved by his cases
on London Local ITV1 News
can recal Khan was with another darker skinned man.
That is the first time he has said this in public.

lostalex 12-10-2010 01:37 PM

These inquests are stupid. We all know what happened. and we all know how to better prepare against them, but it would be considered racist, so we cannot.

So instead of blaming who we all know is the problem, because we are all enlightened people, we will blame ourselves instead of who we all know is the real threat and who is really responsible.


Because of our politically correct society, we will end up blaming ourselves.

arista 07-07-2025 08:57 AM

Early this morning,
PM Starmer and Mayor Khan
Laid flowers for the 7 July 2005
London Terrorist Attack 7/7



[There are extraordinary
secret surveillance images -
now largely forgotten - that in their
own grainy and mysterious way,
tell the story of missed opportunities
that maybe, just maybe,
could have stopped the horrific suicide attacks
that took place in London 20 years ago.
They are images of the ringleader of the
7/7 bombings - first caught on camera at an
al-Qaeda-associated training camp in
the Lake District in 2001.

Two more images from 2004 show him - name
and intentions then unknown - meeting a different cell
of bomb plotters outside London and being followed
by an MI5 team as he made his way back to Leeds.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14e77je72mo

Livia 07-07-2025 09:10 AM

What's the inquest going to achieve? They'll say that the security services missed several opportunities to stop it. Of course, the security services have to be successful every time, the terrorists have to be successful once. I'm sure it won't look into how many terrorists we've imported since then because no one knows. And when something like this happens again - and it will happen again - we can all be upset and outraged and wonder how it could have happened... again.

Starmer and Khan turned up this morning because they were due for a photoshoot, because it was expected. They laid flowers that someone else had bought. I remember Starmer turning up after the Southport stabbings with a beautiful floral arrangement that someone had provided and that he laid. I'd have had more respect for him - for all politicians - if they turned up with flowers they'd bought themselves from a petrol garage.

Crimson Dynamo 07-07-2025 09:14 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvOxqGkX...png&name=small


No one "lost their lives" you hideous apologist, they were murdered by
homegrown Islamic terrorists and its continued on and on. 45,000
Undocumented mostly young men have illegally entered the UK this year alone
and they have been spread all around our communities under your watch.

arista 07-07-2025 09:15 AM

[No one "lost their lives" you hideous apologist, they were murdered by
homegrown Islamic terrorists]

Very True LT

Livia 07-07-2025 09:19 AM

We stood together, all right. We also stood together after a Muslim terrorist murdered all those kids as an Ariana Grande concert. We never learn.

bots 07-07-2025 09:25 AM

When Starmer puts out that message, you know something is coming down the track that government are aware of and we are not

arista 07-07-2025 10:22 AM

Former PM Tony Blair
was in charge back in 7/7

A clip of him talking on a Radio 4 Series
"State of Terror"
was on Politics Live BBC2HD Early.


Blair said we are a lot safer now
But their ideology still exists

Livia 07-07-2025 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11666192)
Former PM Tony Blair
was in charge back in 7/7

A clip of him talking on a Radio 4 Series
"State of Terror"
was on Politics Live BBC2HD Early.


Blair said we are a lot safer now
But their ideology still exists

I suppose the question is, do we feel safer?

arista 07-07-2025 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11666198)
I suppose the question is, do we feel safer?

I think we do.

7/7 took so many young lives
just going to work
early in the morning.



St. Paul's Cathedral.
20 Years On.
now live on all news
52 people died from those evil 4 suicide bombers
back in 2005

bots 07-07-2025 10:41 AM

We are never safe from terrorism so it's an outright lie to say we are safer now

Livia 07-07-2025 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11666200)
I think we do.

7/7 took so many young lives
just going to work
early in the morning.



St. Paul's Cathedral.
20 Years On.
now live on all news
52 people died from those evil 4 suicide bombers
back in 2005

Well, I'm glad you feel safe. I don't. Not at all...

Beso 07-07-2025 10:47 AM

Me and my boy would have been right in the middle of that had we not had an extra 15 mins in bed as it was the last day of our holidays..

bots 07-07-2025 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11666207)
Me and my boy would have been right in the middle of that had we not had an extra 15 mins in bed as it was the last day of our holidays..

i got on the tube on the same line a few mins before it happened, i got into the office just as the explosions went off

Beso 07-07-2025 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11666209)
i got on the tube on the same line a few mins before it happened, i got into the office just as the explosions went off

Crazy to think...we were just arriving at Earls court as everyone was being evacuated...

Took us 6 hours to get a taxi over to the airport.

Crimson Dynamo 07-07-2025 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo (Post 11666159)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvOxqGkX...png&name=small


No one "lost their lives" you hideous apologist, they were murdered by
homegrown Islamic terrorists and its continued on and on. 45,000
Undocumented mostly young men have illegally entered the UK this year alone
and they have been spread all around our communities under your watch.

oh look who also forgot why these atrocities occurred? who would have guessed

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvPvo4kW...png&name=small

bots 07-07-2025 11:19 AM

i don't know who these people are trying to kid. The country has never been more divided than it is currently

arista 07-07-2025 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11666202)
We are never safe from terrorism so it's an outright lie to say we are safer now


Former PM Tony Blair
has stated it.

arista 07-07-2025 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11666228)
i don't know who these people are trying to kid. The country has never been more divided than it is currently


Sadly, that is true.

Political Parties Reform UK
And soon the Jeremy Corbyn New Left Wing Political Party


Will Split with some Labour MPs
Jumping to Corbyn.

bots 07-07-2025 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11666230)
Former PM Tony Blair
has stated it.

a man noted for always telling the truth :laugh:

arista 07-07-2025 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11666235)
a man noted for always telling the truth :laugh:


Sadly True

Nicky91 07-07-2025 04:19 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...les_de_Menezes

never forget, what those amateur law enforcement did afterwards, this idiotic blunder mistaking this poor electrician from brazil as a possible terrorist


:(

arista 07-07-2025 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 11666407)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...les_de_Menezes

never forget, what those amateur law enforcement did afterwards, this idiotic blunder mistaking this poor electrician from brazil as a possible terrorist


:(


Yes, it was a tragedy
of Misidentification.
They were not amateur, Nicky.

They were moving fast.
Due to so many dead

Benjamin 07-07-2025 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11666228)
i don't know who these people are trying to kid. The country has never been more divided than it is currently

I couldn’t agree more.

arista 07-07-2025 04:40 PM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...dique_Khan.jpg

Evil Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30

Born in West Yorkshire.

[British terrorist. He was the oldest of the four
Islamist suicide bombers and believed to be the leader
responsible for the 7 July 2005 London bombings,
in which bombs were detonated on
three London Underground trains and
one bus in central London.
These suicide attacks killed 56 people, including the attackers,
and injured over 700.
Khan bombed the Edgware Road train, killing himself
and six other people.]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Sidique_Khan

arista 07-07-2025 04:45 PM

And Very Sadly in 2017

[The Manchester Arena attack,
was an Islamic terrorist suicide bombing
of Manchester Arena in Manchester,
England, on 22 May 2017, following a concert by
the American pop singer Ariana Grande.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing



Murdering 22 people

Mystic Mock 07-07-2025 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11666202)
We are never safe from terrorism so it's an outright lie to say we are safer now

I agree with this.

I am willing to bet that we've had many near misses that could've ended in a similar way to 7/7 and the Manchester Attack.

But thankfully our Secret Service managed to put a stop to them I think.

Mystic Mock 07-07-2025 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11666228)
i don't know who these people are trying to kid. The country has never been more divided than it is currently

Agreed.

And tbf it's not just this country, people around the world are incredibly divided right now.

Crimson Dynamo 08-07-2025 05:39 PM

beggars belief

the guardian again

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvPlXudW...jpg&name=small

Mystic Mock 09-07-2025 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo (Post 11666733)

Tbf, the 7/7 Bombings were caused by Muslims.

9/11 was caused by Muslims.

The Manchester Arena attack was caused by Muslims.

And that's just three incidents that instantly came to my mind.

The Guardian Journalist can't act surprised that people in the west will be on the lookout for Islamic Terrorism more than any other group, because most of the Terrorist attacks in places like the UK, France, and USA are coming from Muslims.

Just like I'm sure that the Middle East as a Continent are on the lookout for the Americans trying to insidiously invade their culture, because they're more likely to do that to the Middle East than the rest of us.

Or how during a rape case, the main demographic being investigated will be men, because women are less likely to rape obviously.

The Guardian Journalist seriously can't be this oblivious towards common sense and basic logic, I refuse to accept it.

bots 09-07-2025 06:06 AM

20 years ago immediately after 7/7 we had armed police at every train station. Even my little station which is an hour out from london had armed police there. For the first couple of weeks after the event, any muslim carrying a shoulder bag was glared at. That is no exaggeration. So are muslims in a worst position now than they were then? No

Livia 09-07-2025 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo (Post 11666733)

Insulting, but quite typical of the Guardian.

Muslims have the freedom to march through our capital week in support of a foreign country. They're treated with kid gloves by the police who attend the marches in shirt sleeves, not the riot gear they'd wear if it was any other group. I'm tired of hearing how bad it is for Muslims in this country because despite that, they're still coming, every week, in their thousands.

Nicky91 09-07-2025 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11666808)
Tbf, the 7/7 Bombings were caused by Muslims.

9/11 was caused by Muslims.

The Manchester Arena attack was caused by Muslims.

And that's just three incidents that instantly came to my mind.

The Guardian Journalist can't act surprised that people in the west will be on the lookout for Islamic Terrorism more than any other group, because most of the Terrorist attacks in places like the UK, France, and USA are coming from Muslims.

Just like I'm sure that the Middle East as a Continent are on the lookout for the Americans trying to insidiously invade their culture, because they're more likely to do that to the Middle East than the rest of us.

Or how during a rape case, the main demographic being investigated will be men, because women are less likely to rape obviously.

The Guardian Journalist seriously can't be this oblivious towards common sense and basic logic, I refuse to accept it.

the murder of Pim Fortuyn was caused by a deranged white dutch citizen (whom nowadays is a free man again, just served 5 years in jail which is ridiculous)


and those who tried to assassinate Trump also white US citizens, one of whom at the golf course, a 60+ dude


some examples of horrible actions committed by other people than Muslims



anyway fair enough Mock, but you have evil people no matter what race, religion

Crimson Dynamo 09-07-2025 08:00 AM

Certain "Muslim MP's" would do well to remember that being a Muslim is a choice and its based on an ideology, it is not immutable.

Oliver_W 09-07-2025 09:23 AM

Of course the Graun would use every islamic terror attack to talk about how muslims are the true victims...

BBXX 09-07-2025 09:28 AM

I think this article being put out on the anniversary is in poor taste, honestly.

This is complex issue - we should be able to critique Islam and call out its extremism, particularly as we are a country which (mostly) has such polarising values to those Islam teaches, but there is a distinct difference between hating the religion and hating those who follow it.

I think though where this arises is that Muslims - and to put it frankly people who look like they could be Muslim - have been subject to racial attacks despite being decent people. I know from friends that when incidents have happened involving someone who is Muslim, they've experienced racial hatred off the back of it - these are people who are Sikh, but because they're Indian racist people just lump them into a group. You saw it here just last summer with the anti-immigration protests - random people attacked for their skin colour because people assumed they were immigrants.

So while I sympathise with those who are victim to such attacks purely because they share a religion with someone who has committed a terrorist attack, I feel like putting out such an article on the anniversary is insensitive to the actual victims of the event, which are those who lost their lives and the families of those people.

I also think framing people who call out the atrocities caused by a religion as Islamophobic completely ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with hating a religion.

Mystic Mock 09-07-2025 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 11666846)
the murder of Pim Fortuyn was caused by a deranged white dutch citizen (whom nowadays is a free man again, just served 5 years in jail which is ridiculous)


and those who tried to assassinate Trump also white US citizens, one of whom at the golf course, a 60+ dude


some examples of horrible actions committed by other people than Muslims



anyway fair enough Mock, but you have evil people no matter what race, religion

I agree that there are evil people in every community, and that there are (tbf) terrorists in every community.

But my point being, is currently the UK and America for example are far more likely to face Islamic terrorism than any other form of terrorism, which unfortunately for the innocent Muslims does put them under a microscope too, because you can't expect people to be mind-readers.

Another example I could use is if I went to Japan and I started filming in public, I'm willing to bet that a lot of Japanese people are going to be suspicious that I'm going to be doing what Johnny Somali and a lot of non-Japanese people were doing when they were filming in public. Because that's common sense logic to jump to, even if it's completely wrong.

I do controversially say that if Muslims don't want to be suspected of terrorism, then they need to start addressing the ones that are committing terrorist attacks on the west.

It's the same for any of the negative stereotypes that develop in society.


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