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Kerry 28-11-2011 02:35 AM

Janet forgetting her words
 
Dunno if this has been said but apparently she didn't. The poor lass got that feeling where you're going to be sick happen. You know when saliva rushes and rushes into your mouth? Awful feeling :( No wonder she stopped singing. I'd have run off stage!

MTVN 28-11-2011 02:43 AM

Yeah I think she did said she felt she was going to be sick and had been feeling that backstage before her performance as well, I guess it's surprising that she managed to carry on considering

Kerry 28-11-2011 02:45 AM

I couldn't have. I detest that feeling. I think she said she felt the same in her second performance too. She certainly didn't look great :/

MusicXian 28-11-2011 08:01 AM

Production team made little note of that too in Sundays VT instead just making the point she forgot her words.

joeysteele 28-11-2011 08:06 AM

I think she has been covered badly in that, she didn't forget the words as Kerry pointed out but even last night the judges were still going on about it as to forgetting your words at this stage of the competition,
Never mind, from Amelia coming back in, Louis had changed a lot from thinking Janet was the one to beat, and Gary has near had it in for her from week 2 anyway.

Kelly should have made a far stronger defence of her as to not forgetting her words but that she felt she was going to be sick,for some reason she didn't, she sure would have for Mishah though had it been her and not Janet.

Marc 28-11-2011 08:15 AM

She should have been sick! Would have been fun to watch

MusicXian 28-11-2011 08:18 AM

Yeah was rather strange how when she said she thought she was going to be sick, 1 judge said because you were nervous (e.g not prepared) they even hinted at that in the decision. Think it was Tulisa who said in keeping the act who wants it more, as of to say Janet just forgets her words because she doesn't prepare.

MusicXian 28-11-2011 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 4785885)
She should have been sick! Would have been fun to watch

She probably would have got more sympathy votes :D

joeysteele 28-11-2011 08:30 AM

She should have let it come and deposited it right in front of Mr Barlow too.

MusicXian 28-11-2011 08:56 AM

Quite funny how they completely stagnated her performance of Under The Bridge as nothing good at all, whether or not you like her, if you are going to rave about 'Don't Wanna Miss A Thing' or 'Fix You' like they did earlier in the competition then this performance was up there with both of them, similar style of vocals too, so as I said you couldn't rave about 1 performance and not like the other. Its basically a worst kind of contradiction.

It was more a comeback performance from her after the first showing, but they put the blanket over that rather quickly passing it off as a poor performance from her.

BTW I thought it may have been an excuse at first, but watching over she even pulled the mic away from her first just before she was to come for the next verse so does look like she nearly threw up. Poor girl, least the X-Factor sham is over for her now.

Niamh. 28-11-2011 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MusicXian (Post 4785900)
Quite funny how they completely stagnated her performance of Under The Bridge as nothing good at all, whether or not you like her, if you are going to rave about 'Don't Wanna Miss A Thing' or 'Fix You' like they did earlier in the competition then this performance was up there with both of them, similar style of vocals too, so as I said you couldn't rave about 1 performance and not like the other. Its basically a worst kind of contradiction.

It was more a comeback performance from her after the first showing, but they put the blanket over that rather quickly passing it off as a poor performance from her.

BTW I thought it may have been an excuse at first, but watching over she even pulled the mic away from her first just before she was to come for the next verse so does look like she nearly threw up. Poor girl, least the X-Factor sham is over for her now.

I agree with all this and I think it was just as well she was knocked out yesterday, as much as I liked her, don't think it was good for.

joeysteele 28-11-2011 10:45 AM

She hasn't argued the point on This Morning show,in fact she agreed she forgot the words.

That's a long way from what was said over the weekend. It will be interesting to see what is said much later when the show is well finished for this year,they do get tied up with all sorts of things they can't say or not do until the tour is over so maybe we will never get an answer to this really now.

I still go with the 'she felt she was likely going to be sick' as that is what she said herself 'live' before anyone got to her.I am near sure if she felt she was really going to be sick anyway then the words to the song would have gone out of her mind totally.

I think she is a great talent and a great find too however it's more evidence of how the X Factor shows and themed weeks actually bring out the worst of the acts rather than concentrate on their best. Making singers sing songs they wouldn't touch in a million years normally is not bringing out their best it's stifling their best.

Niamh. 28-11-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 4786021)
She hasn't argued the point on This Morning show,in fact she agreed she forgot the words.

That's a long way from what was said over the weekend. It will be interesting to see what is said much later when the show is well finished for this year,they do get tied up with all sorts of things they can't say or not do until the tour is over so maybe we will never get an answer to this really now.

I still go with the 'she felt she was likely going to be sick' as that is what she said herself 'live' before anyone got to her.I am near sure if she felt she was really going to be sick anyway then the words to the song would have gone out of her mind totally.

I think she is a great talent and a great find too however it's more evidence of how the X Factor shows and themed weeks actually bring out the worst of the acts rather than concentrate on their best. Making singers sing songs they wouldn't touch in a million years normally is not bringing out their best it's stifling their best.

Yeah, exactly Joey. Most singers aren't versatile, they sing in a particular style that suits them. They want people to be versatile yet at the same time slate them for not "knowing who they are and what direction they want to take" :rolleyes:

Ammi 28-11-2011 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 4786021)
She hasn't argued the point on This Morning show,in fact she agreed she forgot the words.

That's a long way from what was said over the weekend. It will be interesting to see what is said much later when the show is well finished for this year,they do get tied up with all sorts of things they can't say or not do until the tour is over so maybe we will never get an answer to this really now.

I still go with the 'she felt she was likely going to be sick' as that is what she said herself 'live' before anyone got to her.I am near sure if she felt she was really going to be sick anyway then the words to the song would have gone out of her mind totally.

I think she is a great talent and a great find too however it's more evidence of how the X Factor shows and themed weeks actually bring out the worst of the acts rather than concentrate on their best. Making singers sing songs they wouldn't touch in a million years normally is not bringing out their best it's stifling their best.

Morning Joey:wavey:
LOL...I had to re read that part...I thought it said 'Making gingers sing songs....'

Marc 28-11-2011 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4786032)
Morning Joey:wavey:
LOL...I had to re read that part...I thought it said 'Making gingers sing songs....'

D: nooo

MusicXian 28-11-2011 11:06 AM

I agree, themed weeks really are bad. Of course in a way the show will argue they are looking for singers who are diverse and who have the 'X-Factor'... however singers like Janet who are unique, but can only do a similar style, are always going to fail with some of these themes.

MusicXian 28-11-2011 11:07 AM

joey who was asking Janet the questions on This Morning? Anywhere I can get a video of part of it. If it was Holly Willowbooby I hope Janet jumped out and pulled her hair out :D

Adamw92 28-11-2011 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MusicXian (Post 4786059)
joey who was asking Janet the questions on This Morning? Anywhere I can get a video of part of it. If it was Holly Willowbooby I hope Janet jumped out and pulled her hair out :D

It was both Holly and Philip, though Jeff did ask her one question

MusicXian 28-11-2011 11:19 AM

Holly and Jeff have been saying how crap Janet is for weeks now, think its really unfair both of them ask the questions.

Adamw92 28-11-2011 11:21 AM

I know, you could tell they were jumping up and down inside when asking the questions, they tried to sound sympathetic but I'm pretty sure they rushed through it because Janet's interview felt shorter than Craig's was last week

Pyramid* 28-11-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 4786021)
She hasn't argued the point on This Morning show,in fact she agreed she forgot the words.

That's a long way from what was said over the weekend. It will be interesting to see what is said much later when the show is well finished for this year,they do get tied up with all sorts of things they can't say or not do until the tour is over so maybe we will never get an answer to this really now.

I still go with the 'she felt she was likely going to be sick' as that is what she said herself 'live' before anyone got to her.I am near sure if she felt she was really going to be sick anyway then the words to the song would have gone out of her mind totally.

I think she is a great talent and a great find too however it's more evidence of how the X Factor shows and themed weeks actually bring out the worst of the acts rather than concentrate on their best. Making singers sing songs they wouldn't touch in a million years normally is not bringing out their best it's stifling their best.

I honestly have to say that I don't believe she felt sick - I really don't. She forgot her words a few weeks back. To do it again at such a crucial point in the competition would have been unforgiveable - she's not a daft lassie, she'll have known that I'm sure. I say that, not because I haven't taken to her or her voice, but because of what I watched when it happened.

She did it twice during the song, at the very start, and then the very obvious part - and when it was clear she simply couldn't remember what was next: she looked at the judges panel and made the action with her mouth (which to me, came across as ''oh hell I cant remember the lines - I'm lost here ) and she only started signing again once there was a vocal singing cue, and then she picked up again.

If she HAD been feeling so very sick and trying to stop being ill - having gone through 'that' above scenario - I'd have thought that would have been enough for the stomach to empty itself. As for nerves: how much were her hands trembling or did her nerves only reach her stomach.

Sorry folks, but I'm not buying it. She forget the words, plain and simple.

Niamh. 28-11-2011 11:47 AM

I, on the other hand believe she felt like she was going to be sick. She was singing mmbop for Gods sake, I think it's far more likely she felt ill rather than forget any of the 3 words in the song. :bored:

Pyramid* 28-11-2011 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786139)
I, on the other hand believe she felt like she was going to be sick. She was singing mmbop for Gods sake, I think it's far more likely she felt ill to forget any of the 3 words in the song. :bored:

Absolutely fair enough comment, I'm sure many will agree with you that they feel she's being honest about being ready to be sick/going to be sick.

I genuinely don't.

I honestly do think she gives out this very quiet, almost shy to a point, innocent young thing image when she's far from it. Even her words after it: "I can't wait to leave this and get my own work out there" - there is just something I find about her that's arrogant - but she tries to hide it.

Ammi 28-11-2011 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786139)
I, on the other hand believe she felt like she was going to be sick. She was singing mmbop for Gods sake, I think it's far more likely she felt ill rather than forget any of the 3 words in the song. :bored:

mmbarf...I corrected that for you

Pyramid* 28-11-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4786145)
mmbarf...I corrected that for you

Just as well I never mentioned it, coz I thought it was called MMMbop !!!

Mmmmm... :D

Niamh. 28-11-2011 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786144)
Absolutely fair enough comment, I'm sure many will agree with you that they feel she's being honest about being ready to be sick/going to be sick.

I genuinely don't.

I honestly do think she gives out this very quiet, almost shy to a point, innocent young thing image when she's far from it. Even her words after it: "I can't wait to leave this and get my own work out there" - there is just something I find about her that's arrogant - but she tries to hide it.

I wouldn't blame her for feeling that way, the way she's been treated. She certainly never struck me as arrogant more down trodden the last couple of weeks than anything else. She is only a child still.

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4786145)
mmbarf...I corrected that for you

:laugh:

Ammi 28-11-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786147)
Just as well I never mentioned it, coz I thought it was called MMMbop !!!

Mmmmm... :D

I think you're right Pyr..correction...MMMbarf

MusicXian 28-11-2011 11:56 AM

I think she really is shy and innocent on a stage. Obviously it's also good that she didn't want to lose her image as an artist and turn into an XF diva. For that she has to be applauded.

In week 2 her Grandad died, most other acts would use that as a platform for sympathy votes, but she made little out of it.

Pyramid* 28-11-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786152)
I wouldn't blame her for feeling that way, the way she's been treated. She certainly never struck me as arrogant more down trodden the last couple of weeks than anything else. She is only a child still.



:laugh:

Most of them have all had a hard time, 3 for example being Misha, Kitty with the hellish press they've both had, then Amelia who had to come back 5 weeks later and was playing catchup etc.

Maybe I'm too hard - but if she (Janet) is still regarded as a child, then she shouldn't be playing with adults then - if she hasn't got what it takes all round - nerves or not, it proves she's not ready - right now anyway.

This week she forgot due to nerves/going to be sick....what was her excuse the other week? She just forgot her words? It's a fairly crucial part of a singing competition.

I'm sure she'll find some small success in a particular niche of the market: but I don't see her being a huge success.



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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4786153)
I think you're right Pyr..correction...MMMbarf

I wasn't sure myself tbh - hence why I never commented on it before, I was more poking fun at myself for thinking it had 3 MMM's.... mmmm :hugesmile:


Mmmbarf

MusicXian 28-11-2011 12:27 PM

Also it's worth noting when Janet first forgot her words, the producers changed the time of the song by 20 seconds, 20 minutes before the show.

A good article on the XF killing off Janet

http://sofabet.com/2011/11/28/x-fact.../#comment-9793

MusicXian 28-11-2011 12:27 PM

Also it's worth noting when Janet first forgot her words, the producers changed the time of the song by 20 seconds, 20 minutes before the show.

A good article on the XF killing off Janet

http://sofabet.com/2011/11/28/x-fact.../#comment-9793

joeysteele 28-11-2011 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MusicXian (Post 4786059)
joey who was asking Janet the questions on This Morning? Anywhere I can get a video of part of it. If it was Holly Willowbooby I hope Janet jumped out and pulled her hair out :D

It was Philip and yes Holly,(love your description of her by the way), Jeff Brazier was there too, Janet was rather subdued really. I felt sorry for Janet really.

Niamh. 28-11-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786160)
Most of them have all had a hard time, 3 for example being Misha, Kitty with the hellish press they've both had, then Amelia who had to come back 5 weeks later and was playing catchup etc.

Maybe I'm too hard - but if she (Janet) is still regarded as a child, then she shouldn't be playing with adults then - if she hasn't got what it takes all round - nerves or not, it proves she's not ready - right now anyway.

This week she forgot due to nerves/going to be sick....what was her excuse the other week? She just forgot her words? It's a fairly crucial part of a singing competition.

I'm sure she'll find some small success in a particular niche of the market: but I don't see her being a huge success.





I wasn't sure myself tbh - hence why I never commented on it before, I was more poking fun at myself for thinking it had 3 MMM's.... mmmm :hugesmile:


Mmmbarf

Well, I wish her all the success in the world, she's hugely talented imo.

MusicXian 28-11-2011 12:41 PM

Actually Janet doesn't act like a child. I think she is shy, polite, not arrogant at all, but knows what she wants.

In fact unlike the other contestants who are now left, Janet is one that knows what she wants, will make sure she does it on her terms and is very self-aware.

Pyramid* 28-11-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786202)
Well, I wish her all the success in the world, she's hugely talented imo.

Oh I don't say I don't wish her success: of course I do - anyone who is willing to work at what they chose to would be wished success. Because I can't take to the lassie doesn't mean I wouldn't wish her well in her future.

Niamh. 28-11-2011 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786220)
Oh I don't say I don't wish her success: of course I do - anyone who is willing to work at what they chose to would be wished success. Because I can't take to the lassie doesn't mean I wouldn't wish her well in her future.

Yeah, it really bothers me when people say they hope xxxx flops or fails or whatever. I mean fair enough if someone doesn't particularly like an X Factor contestant or who ever but why would anyone want them to fail, it's nasty and bitter

Pyramid* 28-11-2011 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MusicXian (Post 4786217)
Actually Janet doesn't act like a child. I think she is shy, polite, not arrogant at all, but knows what she wants.

In fact unlike the other contestants who are now left, Janet is one that knows what she wants, will make sure she does it on her terms and is very self-aware.

I'm not altogether sure anyone said Janet acts like a child.

Niamh said that she was 'only a child still', to which I replied, that if she is still regarded as being a child, then she shouldn't be playing with adults. I don't think anyone actually meant that she acts like one. I don't personally think she does act like a child.

She is determined though - better she have that than not give a damn.

Pyramid* 28-11-2011 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4786227)
Yeah, it really bothers me when people say they hope xxxx flops or fails or whatever. I mean fair enough if someone doesn't particularly like an X Factor contestant or who ever but why would anyone want them to fail, it's nasty and bitter

When it comes to a certain Hmate..... I would be happy to see him fail, I ain't gonna lie - but that's for a whole set of different reasons! :hugesmile:

But Janet is a whole different kettle of fish: she has a voice that will no doubt take her places, as well as being a musician and a fairly accomplished one from what the judges would say about her - I could never take that away from her. Why wouldn't anyone wish her well (whether liking her or not) I don't understand either.

Niamh. 28-11-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786229)
I'm not altogether sure anyone said Janet acts like a child.

Niamh said that she was 'only a child still', to which I replied, that if she is still regarded as being a child, then she shouldn't be playing with adults. I don't think anyone actually meant that she acts like one. I don't personally think she does act like a child.

She is determined though - better she have that than not give a damn.

Yes, I wasn't saying she acted like a child, I would just consider a 17 year old to still be a child and I suppose I feel for younger acts more, that's all :hugesmile:

Niamh. 28-11-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4786235)
When it comes to a certain Hmate..... I would be happy to see him fail, I ain't gonna lie - but that's for a whole set of different reasons! :hugesmile:

But Janet is a whole different kettle of fish: she has a voice that will no doubt take her places, as well as being a musician and a fairly accomplished one from what the judges would say about her - I could never take that away from her. Why wouldn't anyone wish her well (whether liking her or not) I don't understand either.

Yeah, some people on here have said things like that, not just about Janet, Matt actually is one I heard a few times. I don't see why someone would feel like that, I mean if you don't like their music or whatever fair enough but why wish that the person would flop, says more about the person who says it imo

Also, yeah I think I know who you're referring to and yes different reasons there I guess :laugh:


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