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stewart64 05-12-2011 08:21 AM

Misha B: Your fault Gary/Kelly NOT Tulisa
 
Favouritism buried Misha B's X factor. Much criticism levelled at Tulisa for claiming Misha was mean. Well actually that helped her, her fans rallied and she did go through a road to Damascus transformation, I even thought she was a nice girl by the end. The following week was one of the few she escaped sing off.

However, to be continually reminded by certain judges that it was unfair that Misha was perennially bottom rather missed the point that it was the public's decision not theres and was certain to get viewers backs up.

There were other reasons too. Her song choices were frankly shocking. She may have had the best voice ( an opinion which I don't agree with) but to be honest I couldn't always spot a melody amidst the grunts, raps and shouting. I just didn't know what the ****** she was supposed to be singing half the time and to try and spot a tune would have been trying for someone with a music degree.

Then we got the styling, famously the bloody rhino. And she was actually attractive with her hair down. Sorry Kelly you blew it too.

stewart64 05-12-2011 08:40 AM

Have to congratulate Louis and Brian Adams for spotting that there was talent beyond Misha, in making a case for Amelia Lilly. Had the series shown a degree of balance and given Misha more constructive critism instead of letting her indulge herself, I seriously think she would have been in the final.

Brother Leon 05-12-2011 09:00 AM

Let's be serious. She was a genuine contender to win before the bully comments. Say what you want but Tulisa and Louis knew what they were doing and credit to them.

IMO anyway Misha is alot more talented than Amelia but it comes down to preference I guess.

Z 05-12-2011 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Santon (Post 4800985)
Let's be serious. She was a genuine contender to win before the bully comments. Say what you want but Tulisa and Louis knew what they were doing and credit to them.

IMO anyway Misha is alot more talented than Amelia but it comes down to preference I guess.

I disagree - lots of people on here were commenting on how cocky she was coming across before Louis and Tulisa picked her up on her flaws - they were just confirming what people were thinking by that point. No doubt they undermined her, but she was never a contender to win.

Brother Leon 05-12-2011 09:04 AM

She was 4th fave at the time behind Janet ,Risk and Craig before that performance and comments. I'm not saying she would of won or anything but she definitely had a better chance than she did after those comments.

Z 05-12-2011 09:05 AM

Sure, but she's not the only contestant to have been undermined by the judges this year. They're all at it.

Black Dagger 05-12-2011 09:05 AM

To be fair, if it wasn't for Kelly's and Gary's constant overhyping and making Misha B out to be better than pretty much anybody who has been on the show, I might have warmed to her more.

Pyramid* 05-12-2011 09:29 AM

Misha is very talented, of that there is no doubt.

Very early on - and I mean within about the 2nd show, she came across as very cocky and far too sure of herself given her young age - long before Louis and Tulisa's rant about Misha's bullying. She had that real air of arrogance about her. It then transpired that she was indeed a known bully in her life and at school (bearing in mind, she's not that 'long' out of school life).

However, Louise & Tulisa raising this issue : showed one thing only - that the ones in charge - weren't in charge - otherwise they'd have been able to deal with Misha's behaviour off stage, without having to resort to broadcast it on tv. Not only was it unprofessional -it showed that they couldn't handle Misha - if that was the only way to get her to 'behave'. By 'they' I mean ALL of the judges.

As for any of the judges overhyping her - let's be honest: they overhype the vast majority of acts in the beginning - they have to because they still have a show to run, and have to be 'seen' to have made the correct decision in allowing them through.

I lost count of the times that they told Craig and Janet for example: that they WERE stars, they WERE what they were looking for: they HAD star quality, they WERE recording artists etc. No longer had they said such things before they began circling round and critising both of them. (the latter, correctly because imo, neither of them had anywhere close to the talent that Misha has).

Having talent is one thing: you can afford to be an arrogant and cocky little madam when you've at least made your mark and can rest on your laurels. It's not so easy to carry that off when you are trying to find your way and are starting off. There are too many other talented people out there who are far easier to work with, and far more likeable all round.

Having talent is one thing, but you have to have the likeability factor as well - especially when just starting out. The one person to blame here as far as I can see is Misha herself.

LivT 05-12-2011 09:40 AM

I don't care for Misha at all. I feel she is a good performer but attitude an personality are equally important appeal factors as raw talent is. Tulisa took it upon herself to publicly announce Misha's so-called bullying, which in my mind, was an act in itself worthy of the same title, but to a much higher degree.

It's blatantly obvious who the instigator was behind the ensuing hype. Yet, we are now being subjected to comments that we, the public, are unfairly judging the girl. No blame apportioned towards Tulisa, who in my mind has proven herself to be a liability and totally incompetent .

Pyramid* 05-12-2011 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LivT (Post 4801002)
I don't care for Misha at all. I feel she is a good performer but attitude an personality are equally important appeal factors as raw talent is. Tulisa took it upon herself to publicly announce Misha's so-called bullying, which in my mind, was an act in itself worthy of the same title, but to a much higher degree.

It's blatantly obvious who the instigator was behind the ensuing hype. Yet, we are now being subjected to comments that we, the public, are unfairly judging the girl. No blame apportioned towards Tulisa, who in my mind has proven herself to be a liability and totally incompetent .


Yep: the way the judges have all behaved - Louise, Tulisa and Gary - is as you say, bullying (ie: Misha as well as each other). hell you only need listen to the snipes at Kelly from all 3 of them when Kelly disappeared for 2 wks.

LivT 05-12-2011 10:08 AM

Yes, Snowball. I am also going off Gary, rapidly! I know he has had big shoes to fill, sitting in Simon's throne, but he has overstepped the mark in his attempts at handing out constructive critique, and ventured into the boundaries of downright nastiness.

It is becoming very apparent that he has little if no awareness of how to maintain a healthy equilibrium.

Pyramid* 05-12-2011 11:21 AM

What was Tulisa's 'banging on the judges table' like the other night. Like a spoilt child not getting their own way........ deary me!

I couldn't move for laughing when every time she tried to give her opinion -she was completely drowned out by the audience .... whether it was a good critique or a bad one: she was always totally drowned out. Best thing for her imo.

Niamh. 05-12-2011 11:26 AM

I'm not sure I'm keen on the judges being mentors at all anymore, Ideally, they should have mentors who do only that and a set of impartial judges, or else just go back to the Idol type way of doing it.

It's very unfair on the contestants to have the people who are supposed to be judging them impartially, instead sabotaging them so their own acts go further

Pyramid* 05-12-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve (Post 4801051)
I'm not sure I'm keen on the judges being mentors at all anymore, Ideally, they should have mentors who do only that and a set of impartial judges, or else just go back to the Idol type way of doing it.

It's very unfair on the contestants to have the people who are supposed to be judging them impartially, instead sabotaging them so their own acts go further

That's an incredibly good point - they cannot judge without favouring their own acts, even if they are the worst of the bunch.

Niamh. 05-12-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 4801053)
That's an incredibly good point - they cannot judge without favouring their own acts, even if they are the worst of the bunch.

Yep, exactly, didn't Gary even admit at one stage, that he'd lied the week before about thinking Frankies performance was good?

stewart64 05-12-2011 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cracker Dagger (Post 4800989)
To be fair, if it wasn't for Kelly's and Gary's constant overhyping and making Misha B out to be better than pretty much anybody who has been on the show, I might have warmed to her more.

Agree with you 100%. You can forgive Kelly, it was her girl; but Gary really over-hyped it.

Gary's criticism of the voting public really didn't help Misha's cause and telling her to be herself.....the raps, the grunts and the styling (I think he preferred the outrageous hair rhino-style) rather than playing it safe didn't help her either.

Perhaps Gary knew he was giving her enough rope to hang herself?

Pyramid* 05-12-2011 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve (Post 4801055)
Yep, exactly, didn't Gary even admit at one stage, that he'd lied the week before about thinking Frankies performance was good?

yes, he did indeed. Proving the very point that you made.

Time we took over these shows !!! :D

LivT 05-12-2011 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 4801047)
What was Tulisa's 'banging on the judges table' like the other night. Like a spoilt child not getting their own way........ deary me!

I couldn't move for laughing when every time she tried to give her opinion -she was completely drowned out by the audience .... whether it was a good critique or a bad one: she was always totally drowned out. Best thing for her imo.

She wants to appear passionate. She shouldn't let her mind wander - it's far too small to be let out on its own ! And is it me, or do her eyes always look glazed over? I find that hang dog expression and pathetic voice she puts on when she finds herself in a compromising, or difficult situation, quite nauseating ! :shrug:

Pyramid* 05-12-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LivT (Post 4801078)
She wants to appear passionate. She shouldn't let her mind wander - it's far too small to be let out on its own ! And is it me, or do her eyes always look glazed over? I find that hang dog expression and pathetic voice she puts on when she finds herself in a compromising, or difficult situation, quite nauseating ! :shrug:

:laugh3:



I find her voice monotonous and that automatically means I CBA with her.

LivT 05-12-2011 12:30 PM

She sounds like a train spotter! When people pretend to talk like a train spotter, they put on a strangled voice which sounds a little like the former Prime Minister John Major. (I'm not not certain whether this is an insult to Mr Major, or to train spotters.)

Pyramid* 05-12-2011 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LivT (Post 4801099)
She sounds like a train spotter! When people pretend to talk like a train spotter, they put on a strangled voice which sounds a little like the former Prime Minister John Major. (I'm not not certain whether this is an insult to Mr Major, or to train spotters.)

I am a train spotter. :hmph:












Not !! :D

Jords 05-12-2011 12:33 PM

Misha was never going to win... too cocky. I think Tulisa/Louis' call-out benefited her a lot and prolonged her stay personally.

Callum 05-12-2011 12:38 PM

I don't think she would have won even if Tulisa and Louis hadn't accused of her being a bully live on air but it definitely hindered her chances and I think she would have made the final and been in the bottom two less. They are to blame partly for her exit last night.

LivT 05-12-2011 12:40 PM

No offence to train spotters, twitchers, philatelists, and or peeps that listen and sing along to THE Ndubz ( As old Louis calls them ) :)

Pyramid* 05-12-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LivT (Post 4801112)
No offence to train spotters, twitchers, philatelists, and or peeps that listen and sing along to THE Ndubz ( As old Louis calls them ) :)

PMSL.... I hadn't clicked onto that one.... superb !! :D

LivT 05-12-2011 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 4801116)
PMSL.... I hadn't clicked onto that one.... superb !! :D

Tulisa has pulled him up on it a couple of times . It made me roar with laughter, cos it annoys the bejeebers out of her. Its akin to Louis insistence in pronouncing it Wagner..instead of Vagner!

Tulisa angrily corrected him, saying that you wouldn't call West Life THE West life...It's JUST West Life ! :joker:

Mystic Mock 05-12-2011 03:32 PM

I think Tulisa and Louis are to blame for why Misha became so hated,plus giving her to many late slots caused resentment from the other acts fans.

Callum 05-12-2011 03:34 PM

The public needed a new hate figure after Kitty and Frankie left also and sadly Misha became it.

stewart64 06-12-2011 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bethlehem (Post 4801309)
,plus giving her to many late slots caused resentment from the other acts fans.


Hmm she seems to be the main feature on the charity single, the star of the M and S advert.

Sadly all the favouritism badly misfired.

AndyEssex1 07-12-2011 09:56 PM

I think a lot of it has to do with the singing style of Misha. The whole 'Aretha sound' can be very abrasive to the ears, and Misha isn't an attractive person to watch whilst singing, when compared to, say Rebecca Ferguson or Alicia Keys. They might say it's all about the voice but I have a little way of explaining why Misha wasn't popular.

If the top 4 worked at Tesco Customer Services, you would imagine that Marcus would be the friendliest and the most helpful, followed by the Littlemix girls. Then Amelia, who might keep you waiting while she checks herself in the mirror but in general would be helpful. My perception of Misha is that she would reluctantly serve you whilst making it blatantly obvious she didn't want to. She also comes across as the type of girl who would push you out the way in a queue.

I know that whole analogy might sound stupid but this is a popularity contest as much as anything else.

robb 09-12-2011 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 4800986)
I disagree - lots of people on here were commenting on how cocky she was coming across before Louis and Tulisa picked her up on her flaws - they were just confirming what people were thinking by that point. No doubt they undermined her, but she was never a contender to win.

I agree...a decent singer who thought a hell of a lot about herself...talking in the third person, behaving in week 1 like she'd already won the show. Also she had the advantage of going on towards the end almost every week, unlike Janet who was forced to go on as first girl 7 out of 9 weeks. No, Misha had her chance, was saved 3 times, and though Walsh and Tulisa didn't help matters, the damage was already done by then.


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