USA: Anger swells after NSA phone records
 

"The scale of America's
surveillance state
was laid bare on Thursday
as senior politicians revealed that the
US counter-terrorism effort had swept
up swaths of personal data from the
phone calls of millions of citizens for years.
After the revelation by the Guardian
of a sweeping secret court order that
authorised the FBI to seize all call records
from a subsidiary of Verizon,
the Obama administration sought to
defuse mounting anger over what
critics described as the broadest
surveillance ruling ever issued.
A White House spokesman said that
laws governing such orders "are something
that have been in place for a number of years now"
and were vital for protecting national security.
Dianne Feinstein, the Democratic chairwoman
of the Senate intelligence committee,
said the Verizon court order had been
in place for seven years. "People want the
homeland kept safe," Feinstein said."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...erizon-records


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get him out - Call a Emergency Election

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They get into sites via the Back Door.


Is Tibb going to get a Double Lock
on its back door?

Anybody with privacy in mind and a brain in their head vanished onto the darknet a long time ago and became untraceable leaving the NSA trawling through housewives gossip.

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/break...nsa-documents/
Courtesy of Anonymous: oops the NSA are still using the internet though http://thedocs.hostzi.com/DoD_NetOps...gic_Vision.pdf

Use the internet for pointless chatter use the darknet for private messages its dead simple.

The way I see it, Bob, is that if any of us knows of a thing, it's already known by some higher ranking official(and many others) of just about any country with a connection. Most people seem to want to give out more information about themselves than any of us cares about...wish they would clam up and use the darknet. :joker:

What's the Darknet ???

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Now the UK is angry
with so much GCHQ Data from many on Google , Facebook,Microsoft,
TIBB even,
going to USA

My friend and I always say "hi" to the NSA people whenever we talk about politics. IS this really surprising to anyone? I've known this since the 90's.

It's where people can buy drugs and child porn and stolen organs(the bodily kind, not the musical kind).

Black Market, Darknet... same thing.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...eatmap-008.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...bal-datamining


The CIA uses all our data
but still it does not help them

What do you mean it doesn't help them? Are you saying they havn't prevented any terrorist attacks?

I think they have.

I don't agree with the NSA or any government body breaking the law. But to say it doesn't help them prevent terrorism seems kinda silly. I think it does help them. And also it probably helps them sort out the people who are not real terrorists, the people who are just all talk and no game.

I definitely think their heart is in the right place.

Are they doing something wrong? maybe, they need to follow the laws. But they arn't doing it to oppress the American people, I do think they only do it because they honestly believe it is necessay to protect the American people.

People are portraying Obama and the US government as some kind of evil monsters that want to oppress them, but i honestly don't think they are. I honestly think they are doing what they think they need to do to protect us.

^ I agree

If they listened to phone calls to prevent terrorist attacks happening and potentially saving the life of someone I know, I'm all for it. What's the problem if you have nothing to hide?

9/11
Boston

"Are you saying they havn't prevented any terrorist attacks?"

9/11 was long before google and facebook and twitter. In 2001 most people still had dial up internet and used land line phones. There was no Skype. People were still using pagers in 2001.

no... I didn't say that at all.

You have no idea how many terrorist attacks have been prevented over the past few years. Coming from someone with a family member in the government, i would know.

they don't listen to phone calls for no reason.

Boston

Yes I worry Old Bill will Die
of a Live Massive Heart Attack
on FoxNewsHD
with staff punching his heart
but no response

Boston was a tiny attack by a couple of kids who were watching extremist youtube videos. There's no way to stop those type of attacks.

He was actually kicked out of his Boston mosque for being too extreme. he was a loner kid who got indoctrinated by his parents and by youtube videos. There are always going to be small little attacks like those.

The Boston attack was more like Sandy Hook or the Batman movie theater massacre than it was a true terror attack.

Like the UK public beheading recently, these small scale attacks will happen. You can't compare those type of incidents to real terror attacks like 9/11 or 7/7.

"Boston was a tiny attack by a couple of kids who were watching extremist youtube videos. There's no way to stop those type of attacks."


Wrong Russia gave warnings direct to American FBI

Russia didn't provide any criminal evidence though, all they said was "this kid is VERY muslim". What are we supposed to do with that? lock him up just for being VERY muslim?

It was not that simple
they passed on the links of Evil terror groups etc

They can't do anything with "links". Do you expect the FBI to follow him 24 hours a day for the rest of his life just in case he becomes a terrorist?

That's ridiculous.

They should have set up bugs
and checked what they were planning,
Many Good Americans said that.

In the UK we do that
and stopped the Heathrow Plane Bomb Plot
well done MI5
All Locked up now

Ok, but the muslim that beheaded the soldier also had terror links, where was MI5?

You can't have people monitoring all extreme muslims 24 hours a day forever. It's just not practical. There's too many of them.

We have to focus on the big terror plots. the large scale well orchestrated ones. We can't stop all the little ones.

There would be a new 9/11 every year if we didn't stop the big ones. The big ones are the biggest worry.

Yes thats being Looked at.

Interesting.... So it's not like Google or Yahoo ?? Is it a different search engine or is it particular Websites that you need to know beforehand??

All sounds a bit murky to me.

What % of the Total Internet does the Darknet represent ??

If it could be measured and recorded, it wouldn't be very Dark, would it? It's in between the cracks, where no one can see.

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//u...eanGrey442.jpg

Oh come on don't give me that... There must be some data that quantifies roughly how much of the total Internet traffic is not through normal search engines or web addresses .

Maybe I need to carry out some personal research into this topic.

Oh come on don't give me that... There must be some data that quantifies roughly how much of the total Internet traffic is not through normal search engines or web addresses .

Maybe I need to carry out some personal research into this topic.

A darknet is an anonymizing network where connections are made only between trusted peers — sometimes called "friends" (F2F)[1] — using non-standard protocols and ports.

Darknets are distinct from other distributed P2P networks as sharing is anonymous (that is, IP addresses are not publicly shared), and therefore users can communicate with little fear of governmental or corporate interference.[2]

For this reason, Darknets are often associated with dissident political communications and illegal activities. More generally, the term "darknet" can be used to describe all non-commercial sites on the Internet,[3] or to refer to all "underground" web communications and technologies, most commonly those associated with illegal activity or dissent.[2]

A darknet is an anonymizing network where connections are made only between trusted peers — sometimes called "friends" (F2F)[1] — using non-standard protocols and ports.

Darknets are distinct from other distributed P2P networks as sharing is anonymous (that is, IP addresses are not publicly shared), and therefore users can communicate with little fear of governmental or corporate interference.[2]

For this reason, Darknets are often associated with dissident political communications and illegal activities. More generally, the term "darknet" can be used to describe all non-commercial sites on the Internet,[3] or to refer to all "underground" web communications and technologies, most commonly those associated with illegal activity or dissent.[2]

My views on this probably won't be very popular, especially as I live in the most CCTV dominated country on earth, but we should never surrender our freedoms and liberties because of fear of what might happen if we don't.

The minute we do that, then the terrorists have already won.

so just out of curiosity Jesus, when you say that we should never give up our freedoms and liberties for more security and safety.... does that also apply to your view on Gun ownership?