her refusal to listen is why she wont grow
 

Watching tonight Chris give the best possible analysis to Helen. That she and Ashleigh are the opposites on the same page. But Helen refuses to listen and thats why she hasn't had a 'journey' and does not deserve to win.
If Helen would ever hear someone else rather than hear what she wants to hear she would probably be an OK person and maybe even reasonable. But she has not learned that. BB would have been better off showing her footage of her aggressive behaviour and hearing people including Ashleigh saying something decent about her. She may have learned.

Chris should win

See the differences in reactions to Pav naming Chris and Ashleigh naming Helen as most difficult. Chris really trying to take it on board and Helen denying she's been aggressive towards people? What planet is she on????

They have shown Helen's aggresive behaviour. Have you not watched the series??

She is so unaware of her own behaviour, she just can't accept that she is a bully.

She isn't a bully.

Yes they have shown it...Helen has owned it...but still continues to be it.
She hasn't learnt to discuss, digest and control it.. She hasn't grown at all and when she leaves the house it will be everyone's fault but her own. She is her own worst enemy.

When Helen watches it back she will realise why she is a bitch and a bully.

Have they shown it to Helen??

I wish she would but I would bet my bottom dollar she won't...

She is a bully

She is NOT A BULLY FULL STOP, FOR GOODNESS SAKE. She has said she knows she can be a bitch. And as to people saying she does not listen, that too is utter nonce nice.she also has been on the longest most honest journey in there!

Agreed. Helen has never wronged anyone in her mind.

She had two warnings in the first few weeks of the show

There's a difference between being a bitch and being aggressive.
There is also a difference between saying you acknowledge your poor behaviour and actually doing that. She constantly says she is nasty or a bitch and laughs. That's because it has become a joke to her. But once an accusation against her character is harsher or comes without a laugh she refuses to acknowledge that.
She refuses to try and break down what other's say and to see beyond the initial phrasing yet she demands people do that for her. She wants to be seen as misunderstood as she believes she is yet she refuses to see that in anyone else. She chooses to hear only negative things and BB are partially to blame.

helen is not a bully, can u not see how hurtful that must have been to listen to ashleigh and christopher slagging her off, even though they thought she had been evicted. for most of the time helen is. chilled and has fun, just gets annoyed when someone like nasty ashleigh winds her up. ashleigh cant help herself, she is really a bitter little girl

She will be shown her outbursts and even she can't deny those.

Helen is a bully , remember how she and her cronies bullied both Jale and Christopher, how she stood over Matthew and screamed at him , she got warned for intimidating behaviour .

It was hurtful because it was all true and not only that made a huge amount of sense which must have hurt Helen even more because that gave her nothing to argue about.

She HAS been listening,to Ashleigh slagging her off,it's not going to endear her ,to her is it? She also listened to Pav,and ash,even Chris at on epoint ,so yes she does listen.

Helen was a huge bully up to the time she got her warning.

Did you not see her slating Ashleigh off, she insults her all the time, she doesn't stop and Why? Because she can't get one over her and Helen is bitter and as she can possibly be because she doesn't have any power over her.

If you slate Ashleigh, just remember Helen does exactly the same.

No yer right - she's a friggin Tyrant

She hears but doesn't listen, she still goes her own horrible way.

But isn't it awful what Helen has said to other people? And wouldn't it be awful if a different housemate was continually put in situations where they had to hear Helen or others bitch about them???
They are all guilty of having a bitch session, all of them. And if anyone ever has to live with people they will bitch due to how intense the situation is.
I do not think it was ever fair for Helen to continually see the footage for many reasons including the fact that she was never shown footage of people being nice, she got an unfair advantage from it and many other reasons.
But you cannot deny she was aggressive and you cannot deny she doesn't give as good as she gets.
The thing is she refuses to learn or grow and is old enough to know better.

It's how she handles it though , she is 10 years older than Ashleigh for a start that's a lot of years to learn and grow , also there is a way to deal with conflict and it's not with aggression you do that when you are a toddler having a tantrum.

Clearly she hasn't listened and learnt.

But she's "upfront and honest" though so alls ok, eh? :hehe:

She has HEARD them saying things but has not LISTENED to anyone. There is a huge difference. You can hear things and choose to listen to what you want. She has never contemplated positive criticism. When Chris said about opposites on same page, she heard that but didn't listen.
If she had listened she would have ACTED as maturly as she SAID she would. She should have ACTED like the older woman, taken Ashleigh to the side and been the mature one. She should have said look we're both as bad as each other, but let's be happy to be two strong females and get on with it.
She instead chose to bitch.

She is 27, she needs to act it. She should approach the Ashleigh situation better as she is nearly 10 years older. And if she ever did that, she could of won.

No, I am totally opposed to Helen's behaviour and believe the up front and honest crap is a great excuse to bully and intimidate.

I was being sarcastic :laugh:

Sorry!!!!

Helen is definitely a bully particularly if she doesn't get her own way.

I agree, Helen likes it her way, and cannot conceive that there is any other way than Helen's, and there lies her problem, the fact that she is right even when she is clearly wrong, then her frustration of defending herself over what-ever, becomes a personal battle with who-ever has a different opinion....it goes 'round and 'round, and she never gets off the roundabout...She is trapped with-in herself...

Very good analysis, and I agree 100%.

One other thing I'd add to the discussion is that she seriously needs to try and understand what the phrase, "slagging me/you/us off," actually means. Just because people she doesn't like talk about her, and even point out her flaws, it doesn't always equate to slagging her off. But what she tends to do is hear people discussing her, not actually listening to what they are saying, and then proclaim, "They're slagging me off!!"

I've said it before and I'll say it her again, her "journey" will begin when she leaves the house and sees how her behaviour is perceived by others. Then if she starts taking steps to fix her broken personality, that will be the start of her real journey.

The difference in how she reacted to Ashleigh saying she was the most difficult to live with and how Chris reacted to Pav naming him was very telling. You could see how Chris was really listening to what Pav was saying and taking it on board, not getting angry

Exactly, that scene just made my love for Chris and dislike for Helen grow stronger!

Also, in a DR scene the other day (maybe when Ash and Christopher were in control?) Chris said he regretted how he treated the newbies when they entered. He recognised that he had been pretty dickish to them all, especially Pav. On the other hand, in a clip coming up where Helen has had media training, Helen was asked if she regrets anything in the house, and she says only being skeptical about Zoe, but she dislikes everyone else she's been mean to so doesn't care :facepalm: Lost cause...

Yup.

I'd actually be really happy if Chris won as well you know, it's great that I actually have 3 HMs in the final that have been my favourites from very early on

Me too! I knew I liked Chris and Christopher from their VTs and they haven't disappointed me. I have been on and off with Ashleigh all season but she's always been my favourite girl and has some really strong points about her. Not too shabby a final 6 for me really.

Yeah Chris and Christopher were my original favourites, I started liking Ashleigh a little later, when they started showing her more really

Chris loves helens spirit and is aware she is incredibly vulnerable just under the surface, she did see emotion as weakness but I think that's changed so she has grown.

Chris is a down-to-earth, mature, reasonable adult.

Helen is an emotional train-wreck.

They're miles apart, and that's why if I had to choose a winner out of the two them it would be no contest. Chris deserves it for the way he has handled himself in the house, whereas Helen seriously needs some help. If she actually won it, I think it would be more damaging for her in the long run because she'd probably take it as meaning that people actually approved of her actions in the house.

Yeah, she already has Ash basically telling her it's perfectly fine by laughing every time he calls her aggressive

Chris is down to earth, really :conf: