[mizzmee]

Watching tonight Chris give the best possible analysis to Helen. That she and Ashleigh are the opposites on the same page. But Helen refuses to listen and thats why she hasn't had a 'journey' and does not deserve to win.
If Helen would ever hear someone else rather than hear what she wants to hear she would probably be an OK person and maybe even reasonable. But she has not learned that. BB would have been better off showing her footage of her aggressive behaviour and hearing people including Ashleigh saying something decent about her. She may have learned.

Chris should win

[Niamh.]

See the differences in reactions to Pav naming Chris and Ashleigh naming Helen as most difficult. Chris really trying to take it on board and Helen denying she's been aggressive towards people? What planet is she on????

[JoshBB]

They have shown Helen's aggresive behaviour. Have you not watched the series??

[Babschap]

She is so unaware of her own behaviour, she just can't accept that she is a bully.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Babschap

She is so unaware of her own behaviour, she just can't accept that she is a bully.

She isn't a bully.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

They have shown Helen's aggresive behaviour. Have you not watched the series??

Yes they have shown it...Helen has owned it...but still continues to be it.
She hasn't learnt to discuss, digest and control it.. She hasn't grown at all and when she leaves the house it will be everyone's fault but her own. She is her own worst enemy.

[poppsywoppsy]

When Helen watches it back she will realise why she is a bitch and a bully.

[mizzmee]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

They have shown Helen's aggresive behaviour. Have you not watched the series??

Have they shown it to Helen??

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

When Helen watches it back she will realise why she is a bitch and a bully.

I wish she would but I would bet my bottom dollar she won't...

[kistar]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She isn't a bully.

She is a bully

[Forgetmenot]

Originally Posted by Babschap

She is so unaware of her own behaviour, she just can't accept that she is a bully.

She is NOT A BULLY FULL STOP, FOR GOODNESS SAKE. She has said she knows she can be a bitch. And as to people saying she does not listen, that too is utter nonce nice.she also has been on the longest most honest journey in there!

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I wish she would but I would bet my bottom dollar she won't...

Agreed. Helen has never wronged anyone in her mind.

[emptynest]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She isn't a bully.

She had two warnings in the first few weeks of the show

[mizzmee]

Originally Posted by Forgetmenot

She is NOT A BULLY FULL STOP, FOR GOODNESS SAKE. She has said she knows she can be a bitch. And as to people saying she does not listen, that too is utter nonce nice.she also has been on the longest most honest journey in there!

There's a difference between being a bitch and being aggressive.
There is also a difference between saying you acknowledge your poor behaviour and actually doing that. She constantly says she is nasty or a bitch and laughs. That's because it has become a joke to her. But once an accusation against her character is harsher or comes without a laugh she refuses to acknowledge that.
She refuses to try and break down what other's say and to see beyond the initial phrasing yet she demands people do that for her. She wants to be seen as misunderstood as she believes she is yet she refuses to see that in anyone else. She chooses to hear only negative things and BB are partially to blame.

[tanussa]

helen is not a bully, can u not see how hurtful that must have been to listen to ashleigh and christopher slagging her off, even though they thought she had been evicted. for most of the time helen is. chilled and has fun, just gets annoyed when someone like nasty ashleigh winds her up. ashleigh cant help herself, she is really a bitter little girl

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I wish she would but I would bet my bottom dollar she won't...

She will be shown her outbursts and even she can't deny those.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by tanussa

helen is not a bully, can u not see how hurtful that must have been to listen to ashleigh and christopher slagging her off, even though they thought she had been evicted. for most of the time helen is. chilled and has fun, just gets annoyed when someone like nasty ashleigh winds her up. ashleigh cant help herself, she is really a bitter little girl

Helen is a bully , remember how she and her cronies bullied both Jale and Christopher, how she stood over Matthew and screamed at him , she got warned for intimidating behaviour .

It was hurtful because it was all true and not only that made a huge amount of sense which must have hurt Helen even more because that gave her nothing to argue about.

[Kazanne]

She HAS been listening,to Ashleigh slagging her off,it's not going to endear her ,to her is it? She also listened to Pav,and ash,even Chris at on epoint ,so yes she does listen.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by tanussa

helen is not a bully, can u not see how hurtful that must have been to listen to ashleigh and christopher slagging her off, even though they thought she had been evicted. for most of the time helen is. chilled and has fun, just gets annoyed when someone like nasty ashleigh winds her up. ashleigh cant help herself, she is really a bitter little girl

Helen was a huge bully up to the time she got her warning.

Did you not see her slating Ashleigh off, she insults her all the time, she doesn't stop and Why? Because she can't get one over her and Helen is bitter and as she can possibly be because she doesn't have any power over her.

If you slate Ashleigh, just remember Helen does exactly the same.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She isn't a bully.

No yer right - she's a friggin Tyrant

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She HAS been listening,to Ashleigh slagging her off,it's not going to endear her ,to her is it? She also listened to Pav,and ash,even Chris at on epoint ,so yes she does listen.

She hears but doesn't listen, she still goes her own horrible way.

[mizzmee]

Originally Posted by tanussa

helen is not a bully, can u not see how hurtful that must have been to listen to ashleigh and christopher slagging her off, even though they thought she had been evicted. for most of the time helen is. chilled and has fun, just gets annoyed when someone like nasty ashleigh winds her up. ashleigh cant help herself, she is really a bitter little girl

But isn't it awful what Helen has said to other people? And wouldn't it be awful if a different housemate was continually put in situations where they had to hear Helen or others bitch about them???
They are all guilty of having a bitch session, all of them. And if anyone ever has to live with people they will bitch due to how intense the situation is.
I do not think it was ever fair for Helen to continually see the footage for many reasons including the fact that she was never shown footage of people being nice, she got an unfair advantage from it and many other reasons.
But you cannot deny she was aggressive and you cannot deny she doesn't give as good as she gets.
The thing is she refuses to learn or grow and is old enough to know better.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She HAS been listening,to Ashleigh slagging her off,it's not going to endear her ,to her is it? She also listened to Pav,and ash,even Chris at on epoint ,so yes she does listen.

It's how she handles it though , she is 10 years older than Ashleigh for a start that's a lot of years to learn and grow , also there is a way to deal with conflict and it's not with aggression you do that when you are a toddler having a tantrum.

Clearly she hasn't listened and learnt.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by mizzmee

There's a difference between being a bitch and being aggressive.
There is also a difference between saying you acknowledge your poor behaviour and actually doing that. She constantly says she is nasty or a bitch and laughs. That's because it has become a joke to her. But once an accusation against her character is harsher or comes without a laugh she refuses to acknowledge that.
She refuses to try and break down what other's say and to see beyond the initial phrasing yet she demands people do that for her. She wants to be seen as misunderstood as she believes she is yet she refuses to see that in anyone else. She chooses to hear only negative things and BB are partially to blame.

But she's "upfront and honest" though so alls ok, eh?

[mizzmee]

Originally Posted by kistar

It's how she handles it though , she is 10 years older than Ashleigh for a start that's a lot of years to learn and grow , also there is a way to deal with conflict and it's not with aggression you do that when you are a toddler having a tantrum.

Clearly she hasn't listened and learnt.

She has HEARD them saying things but has not LISTENED to anyone. There is a huge difference. You can hear things and choose to listen to what you want. She has never contemplated positive criticism. When Chris said about opposites on same page, she heard that but didn't listen.
If she had listened she would have ACTED as maturly as she SAID she would. She should have ACTED like the older woman, taken Ashleigh to the side and been the mature one. She should have said look we're both as bad as each other, but let's be happy to be two strong females and get on with it.
She instead chose to bitch.

She is 27, she needs to act it. She should approach the Ashleigh situation better as she is nearly 10 years older. And if she ever did that, she could of won.