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letmein 08-09-2015 01:25 AM

Italy's Highest Court Slams Amanda Knox Case for "Glaring Errors," "Stunning Weakness
 
On Monday, Italy’s highest criminal court published a blistering 52-page explanation of their decision to overturn Amanda Knox’s murder conviction in March, faulting police, prosecutors and lower court judges for a trial that “had oscillations which were the result of stunning flaws, or amnesia,” The Guardian reports.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...7023981455.jpg

In 2009, Knox and her then-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito were convicted of killing Meredith Kercher, her roommate in Perugia, Italy, two years earlier. They would both spend four years in prison before their convictions were overturned in 2011. They were then found guilty a second time in 2014, but that conviction was thrown out by Italy’s Court of Cassation earlier this year.

In its ruling, the court cited the lack of biological traces of either Knox or Sollecito at the crime scene, contrasting that with the “copious” amounts of biological evidence left by a third suspect convicted of the murder, Rudy Guede. From NBC News:

Because no biological evidence from Knox or Sollecito was found at the house in Perugia where Kercher was murdered, the 52-page opinion said, their “participation” in the killing should have been “excluded.”

“There was no shortage of glaring errors in the underlying fabric of the sentence in question,” the court wrote.

The alleged murder weapon, a kitchen knife found at Sollecito’s house, was kept in a cardboard box—“the kind that gadgets are wrapped up in for Christmas”—and a bra clasp said to have carried DNA evidence was left on the floor for 46 days.

“The international spotlight on the case in fact resulted in the investigation undergoing a sudden acceleration, that, in the frantic search for one or more guilty parties to consign to international public opinion, certainly didn’t help the search for substantial truth,” wrote the judges, according to The Guardian.

In a statement on her website, Knox thanked “the many individuals who gave their time and talents to help me” during her nearly eight-year struggle.

“I am deeply grateful that the Italian Supreme Court has filed its opinion and forcefully declared my innocence,” wrote Knox. “I will now begin the rest of my life with one of my goals being to help others who have been wrongfully accused.”

http://gawker.com/top-italian-court-...ium=socialflow

Livia 08-09-2015 12:59 PM

A first year law student could have walked this case. The Italians ****ed up monumentally, Knox should be in prison for the rest of her life, along with Sollecito.

No comment there from the dead girl's family, I see. Shameful.

lostalex 09-09-2015 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8127281)
A first year law student could have walked this case. The Italians ****ed up monumentally, Knox should be in prison for the rest of her life, along with Sollecito.

No comment there from the dead girl's family, I see. Shameful.

remind me again, name 1 shred of evidence that she was involved? and no, being tortured by police until she agreed with them that the bartender guy did it doesn't count as evidence. and no, kissing her boyfriend isn't evidence either.

Livia 09-09-2015 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8128857)
remind me again, name 1 shred of evidence that she was involved? and no, being tortured by police until she agreed with them that the bartender guy did it doesn't count as evidence. and no, kissing her boyfriend isn't evidence either.

Oh Alex... this is too long and tedious to go into again. I read the files, things didn't add up. The Italians bungled it. When she was cartwheeling around the police station she didn't look too stressed, like she'd been tortured. Anyway, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I hope some of the sympathy given to Knox is also going to be given to the family of the dead girl.

lostalex 09-09-2015 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8128997)
Oh Alex... this is too long and tedious to go into again. I read the files, things didn't add up. The Italians bungled it. When she was cartwheeling around the police station she didn't look too stressed, like she'd been tortured. Anyway, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I hope some of the sympathy given to Knox is also going to be given to the family of the dead girl.

lol. "things didn't add up" is the best you could do? I was expecting to hear some definitive evidence that there is no doubt at all that Amanda Knox was some satanic witch that orchestrated a ritual killing of her roommate. that is after all what the prosecution (and meredith's trashy family) believed...

The only witch in this case was a fictional one that existed in the imaginations of a desperate family(the kerchers) and a desperate prosecution.

ZERO Evidence links Amanda to this crime.

The Kertchers and the Italian Justice system turned one horrible tragedy into 3 horrible tragedies, by making Amanda Knox and Rafaelle into young innocent victims too.

I respect Amanda and her family very much for not going after the Kertchers and the British press for compensation after the utter bull**** they have had to endure.

The Kertchers are a DISGRACE, no wonder their daughter wanted to get away from them and study in another country.

Livia 09-09-2015 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8128998)
lol. "things didn't add up" is the best you could do? I was expecting to hear some definitive evidence that there is no doubt at all that Amanda Knox was some satanic witch that orchestrated a ritual killing of her roommate. that is after all what the prosecution (and meredith's trashy family) believed...

The only witch in this case was a fictional one that existed in the imaginations of a desperate family(the kerchers) and a desperate prosecution.

ZERO Evidence links Amanda to this crime.

The Kertchers and the Italian Justice system turned one horrible tragedy into 3 horrible tragedies, by making Amanda Knox and Rafaelle into young innocent victims too.

I'#m not going all through it, Alex... One thing I will say is the first thing that make me think, hang on... there's something wrong here... was that the window that they said the intruder entered by was inaccessible to all but a parkour expert. And the glass was broken from the inside. Suddenly the whole story started to look suspect.

Vanessa 09-09-2015 09:26 AM

Italian courts made such a mess out of this case. :facepalm:

Niamh. 09-09-2015 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8128998)
lol. "things didn't add up" is the best you could do? I was expecting to hear some definitive evidence that there is no doubt at all that Amanda Knox was some satanic witch that orchestrated a ritual killing of her roommate. that is after all what the prosecution (and meredith's trashy family) believed...

The only witch in this case was a fictional one that existed in the imaginations of a desperate family(the kerchers) and a desperate prosecution.

ZERO Evidence links Amanda to this crime.

The Kertchers and the Italian Justice system turned one horrible tragedy into 3 horrible tragedies, by making Amanda Knox and Rafaelle into young innocent victims too.

I respect Amanda and her family very much for not going after the Kertchers and the British press for compensation after the utter bull**** they have had to endure.

The Kertchers are a DISGRACE, no wonder their daughter wanted to get away from them and study in another country.

wow that's so out of order. These are the people who have suffered most of all in this. Losing a child like that

lostalex 09-09-2015 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8129008)
wow that's so out of order. These are the people who have suffered most of all in this. Losing a child like that

no, they haven't suffered, they have thrown all of their suffering onto innocent people to avoid suffering. they have turned 1 tragedy into 3 tragedys. Meredith if she exists in any realm must be so ashamed of them.

They turned their grief into a media circus, and turned their grief into an ASSAULT on other innocent young people.

shame on them.

The man that killed meredith is in jail, meredith has justice.

but where is the justice for Amanda Knox and Rafaelle who lost many years of their lives because of the hysteria and witch hunt partially caused by the kertchers?? where is the justice for them??

Niamh. 09-09-2015 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8129010)
no, they haven't suffered, they have thrown all of their suffering onto innocent people to avoid suffering. they have turned 1 tragedy into 3 tragedys. Meredith if she exists in any realm must be so ashamed of them.

They turned their grief into a media circus, and turned their grief into an ASSAULT on other innocent young people.

shame on them.

I'm sure all any parent would want in that situation would be to find the actual killer.

The way you're speaking about a family who lost their child in such a terrible way is actually sickening Alex, you should be ashamed of yourself

kirklancaster 09-09-2015 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8129010)
no, they haven't suffered, they have thrown all of their suffering onto innocent people to avoid suffering. they have turned 1 tragedy into 3 tragedys. Meredith if she exists in any realm must be so ashamed of them.

They turned their grief into a media circus, and turned their grief into an ASSAULT on other innocent young people.

shame on them.

The man that killed meredith is in jail, meredith has justice.

but where is the justice for Amanda Knox and Rafaelle who lost many years of their lives because of the hysteria and witch hunt partially caused by the kertchers?? where is the justice for them??

There is a very long thread on here concerning this case, which has very long, comprehensive posts on it - some from myself - and you seemed to have ignored ALL the extensive evidence against the abhorrent Amanda Knox and her boyfriend Raphael, because if you had not, then you would not be posting so angrily on here asking "Where is all the evidence against 'Amanda'?",

She is a despicable person who has 'gotten away with murder' but you Lionise her and desecrate the memory of a poor innocent girl like Meredith and post vitriolic comments about her and her poor grief-stricken family.

Real shame on you for your toxicity here Alex - real shame.

kirklancaster 09-09-2015 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8129014)
I'm sure all any parent would want in that situation would be to find the actual killer.

The way you're speaking about a family who lost their child in such a terrible way is actually sickening Alex, you should be ashamed of yourself

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Well spoken Niamh. It is unforgivable.

Livia 09-09-2015 11:27 AM

The Kerchers comment is a step too far for me. Disgraceful. End of my involvement in this thread.

Benjamin 09-09-2015 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8129010)
no, they haven't suffered, they have thrown all of their suffering onto innocent people to avoid suffering. they have turned 1 tragedy into 3 tragedys. Meredith if she exists in any realm must be so ashamed of them.

They turned their grief into a media circus, and turned their grief into an ASSAULT on other innocent young people.

shame on them.

The man that killed meredith is in jail, meredith has justice.

but where is the justice for Amanda Knox and Rafaelle who lost many years of their lives because of the hysteria and witch hunt partially caused by the kertchers?? where is the justice for them??


Are you actually taking the ****ing piss? This all happened while I was away in Portugal studying on Erasmus. My friend (who I met there and was on Erasmus too) was friends with Meredith (they were in the same class) and the whole thing was just horrible. She went through hell so I can only imagine the Kerchers have gone through even more hell with the whole thing, never really knowing what the **** happened to their daughter that night and having the whole thing dragged out for so long and in the public eye. They never asked for their daughter to be murdered you insensitive...

Nedusa 09-09-2015 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letmein (Post 8126872)
On Monday, Italy’s highest criminal court published a blistering 52-page explanation of their decision to overturn Amanda Knox’s murder conviction in March, faulting police, prosecutors and lower court judges for a trial that “had oscillations which were the result of stunning flaws, or amnesia,” The Guardian reports.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...7023981455.jpg

In 2009, Knox and her then-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito were convicted of killing Meredith Kercher, her roommate in Perugia, Italy, two years earlier. They would both spend four years in prison before their convictions were overturned in 2011. They were then found guilty a second time in 2014, but that conviction was thrown out by Italy’s Court of Cassation earlier this year.

In its ruling, the court cited the lack of biological traces of either Knox or Sollecito at the crime scene, contrasting that with the “copious” amounts of biological evidence left by a third suspect convicted of the murder, Rudy Guede. From NBC News:

Because no biological evidence from Knox or Sollecito was found at the house in Perugia where Kercher was murdered, the 52-page opinion said, their “participation” in the killing should have been “excluded.”

“There was no shortage of glaring errors in the underlying fabric of the sentence in question,” the court wrote.

The alleged murder weapon, a kitchen knife found at Sollecito’s house, was kept in a cardboard box—“the kind that gadgets are wrapped up in for Christmas”—and a bra clasp said to have carried DNA evidence was left on the floor for 46 days.

“The international spotlight on the case in fact resulted in the investigation undergoing a sudden acceleration, that, in the frantic search for one or more guilty parties to consign to international public opinion, certainly didn’t help the search for substantial truth,” wrote the judges, according to The Guardian.

In a statement on her website, Knox thanked “the many individuals who gave their time and talents to help me” during her nearly eight-year struggle.

“I am deeply grateful that the Italian Supreme Court has filed its opinion and forcefully declared my innocence,” wrote Knox. “I will now begin the rest of my life with one of my goals being to help others who have been wrongfully accused.”

http://gawker.com/top-italian-court-...ium=socialflow

I have made my views on this case well known over the last few years. It is nothing short of disgraceful that this young women was convicted of murder on such obviously flaw and flimsy circumstantial evidence.

I hope the Italian authorities seek and prosecute the people who were responsible for this debacle.

Nedusa 09-09-2015 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8127281)
A first year law student could have walked this case. The Italians ****ed up monumentally, Knox should be in prison for the rest of her life, along with Sollecito.

No comment there from the dead girl's family, I see. Shameful.

Are we actually talking about the same case ??:shrug::shrug:

Livia 09-09-2015 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8129110)
Are we actually talking about the same case ??:shrug::shrug:

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one N. As I recall we have no common ground.

Nice to see you... you've not been here in a while.

Nedusa 09-09-2015 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8129016)
There is a very long thread on here concerning this case, which has very long, comprehensive posts on it - some from myself - and you seemed to have ignored ALL the extensive evidence against the abhorrent Amanda Knox and her boyfriend Raphael, because if you had not, then you would not be posting so angrily on here asking "Where is all the evidence against 'Amanda'?",

She is a despicable person who has 'gotten away with murder' but you Lionise her and desecrate the memory of a poor innocent girl like Meredith and post vitriolic comments about her and her poor grief-stricken family.

Real shame on you for your toxicity here Alex - real shame.

Sorry Kirk, But I think we are going to have to agree to differ on this story.

Nedusa 09-09-2015 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8129112)
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one N. As I recall we have no common ground.

Nice to see you... you've not been here in a while.

Yes, haven't posted for a while, been too busy with work.

This story I agree has elements which could point to Knox being complicit but overall I don't think there was ever enough hard evidence forensic or otherwise to prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

so to try her in the court of public opinion and cast her as an evil devil worshipping arrogant uncaring bitch just to secure a conviction is absolutely shameful.

I guess only she knows what really happened that night.

kirklancaster 09-09-2015 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8129116)
Sorry Kirk, But I think we are going to have to agree to differ on this story.

No problem Nedusa. You KNOW I always respect your views - even when we don't agree, which is not very often.

Sticks 09-09-2015 07:31 PM

On a purely admin note, this thread ought to be merged with the existing thread

Vanessa 09-09-2015 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8129118)
Yes, haven't posted for a while, been too busy with work.

This story I agree has elements which could point to Knox being complicit but overall I don't think there was ever enough hard evidence forensic or otherwise to prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

so to try her in the court of public opinion and cast her as an evil devil worshipping arrogant uncaring bitch just to secure a conviction is absolutely shameful.

I guess only she knows what really happened that night.

I think we will never know for sure, but i must admit, Knox scares the hell out of me. She has dead eyes. D:

Tom4784 09-09-2015 07:46 PM

Alex, let's be real, if Amanda Knox wasn't American you'd be agreeing with Livia in this topic.

Sticks 09-09-2015 07:48 PM

In relation to the topic, this article gives pause for thought on her behaviour, as it suggests Amanda may have undiagnosed Asperger Syndrome (Although Americans no longer have Asperger Syndrome under DMV5, but that's another issue)

The manifestation of this form of autism is different in females than it is in males, who tend to be diagnosed more than females.

lostalex 10-09-2015 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8129014)
I'm sure all any parent would want in that situation would be to find the actual killer.

The way you're speaking about a family who lost their child in such a terrible way is actually sickening Alex, you should be ashamed of yourself

They already found the killer. his name is Rudy Guede and he's already in jail. But that wasn't enough for the Kertchers. they wanted more flesh they wanted to hurt innocent people in their rage.

lostalex 10-09-2015 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8129814)
Alex, let's be real, if Amanda Knox wasn't American you'd be agreeing with Livia in this topic.

If Amanda Knox wasn't American i would not be paying attention to this case at all, so you are wrong. And if Meredith wasn't british you and Livia wouldn't be talking about it either.

Livia 10-09-2015 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8130780)
If Amanda Knox wasn't American i would not be paying attention to this case at all, so you are wrong. And if Meredith wasn't british you and Livia wouldn't be talking about it either.

Hmmm... I think I would, you know. A killer is a killer is a killer.

MTVN 10-09-2015 09:49 AM

Guilty as sin

Niamh. 10-09-2015 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8130779)
They already found the killer. his name is Rudy Guede and he's already in jail. But that wasn't enough for the Kertchers. they wanted more flesh they wanted to hurt innocent people in their rage.

I doubt that very much. I have no doubt all they want is justice for their child

lostalex 10-09-2015 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8131002)
I doubt that very much. I have no doubt all they want is justice for their child

obviously they don't, because justice has already been served by him being in jail.

There is no doubt about his guilt. or do you believe that Amanda and rafealle framed him? LOL maybe you have some other conspiracy theories i'm not aware of.

kirklancaster 10-09-2015 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8131029)
obviously they don't, because justice has already been served by him being in jail.

There is no doubt about his guilt. or do you believe that Amanda and rafealle framed him? LOL maybe you have some other conspiracy theories i'm not aware of.

No. Justice has only been PARTLY served whilst ever Knox and her 'one-time' boyfriend remain looked upon as 'innocent'.

Rudy Guede is only one of THREE people complicit in the terrible things that happened to poor Meredith that night which culminated in her murder, and Knox and 'Rafaealle' have gotten away with murder.

If it was my little girl, I would not rest until both these murderers received their just desserts.

But what really sticks in my craw, is how 'American Money' has paid for a huge white-washing campaign - utilising websites and manipulating Social Media - successfully turning an abhorrent murderess into a victim and denigrating and defaming the genuine victim into the bargain.

Fecking disgusting.

lostalex 10-09-2015 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8131042)
No. Justice has only been PARTLY served whilst ever Knox and her 'one-time' boyfriend remain looked upon as 'innocent'.

Rudy Guede is only one of THREE people complicit in the terrible things that happened to poor Meredith that night which culminated in her murder, and Knox and 'Rafaealle' have gotten away with murder.

If it was my little girl, I would not rest until both these murderers received their just desserts.

But what really sticks in my craw, is how 'American Money' has paid for a huge white-washing campaign - utilising websites and manipulating Social Media - successfully turning an abhorrent murderess into a victim and denigrating and defaming the genuine victim into the bargain.

Fecking disgusting.

you are wrong. and it's evil for you to want 2 other young people to suffer an even worse fate than meredith suffered.

Meredith suffered for no more than an hour. Amanda knox and rafaelle suffered for 4 years.

Meredith was lucky comparably.

Niamh. 10-09-2015 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8131029)
obviously they don't, because justice has already been served by him being in jail.

There is no doubt about his guilt. or do you believe that Amanda and rafealle framed him? LOL maybe you have some other conspiracy theories i'm not aware of.

I have no theories on this case, I just think it's a ****ty thing to do to try and make the victims family out to be the bad guys

Livia 10-09-2015 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8131045)
you are wrong. and it's evil for you to want 2 other young people to suffer an even worse fate than meredith suffered.

Meredith suffered for no more than an hour. Amanda knox and rafaelle suffered for 4 years.

Meredith was lucky comparably.

Yes, being dead is so much better than being free and at home with your family.

Niamh. 10-09-2015 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8131045)
you are wrong. and it's evil for you to want 2 other young people to suffer an even worse fate than meredith suffered.

Meredith suffered for no more than an hour. Amanda knox and rafaelle suffered for 4 years.

Meredith was lucky comparably.

That's a truly disgusting post

kirklancaster 10-09-2015 10:31 AM

:shrug:

lostalex 10-09-2015 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8131050)
Yes, being dead is so much better than being free and at home with your family.

From what i've seen of Meredith's family, i think she made a lucky escape. They are truly vile, trashy people.

I can't express enough how disgusted i am with the Kertchers.

the fact that the Knox's haven't attacked them in the press, is truly a testament to their class and respectability. There has been no retaliation from the Knox family at all against the Kertchers despite all of the horrible ignorant evil things they have thrown against their daughter.. I'm amazed at their restraint.

MTVN 10-09-2015 10:47 AM

Have you ever considered a role in bereavement counselling Alex

lostalex 10-09-2015 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8131079)
Have you ever considered a role in bereavement counselling Alex

Maybe if the Kertchers had had some proper bereavement counseling they wouldn't be such *****. and they wouldn't be trying to destroy the lives of innocent people. instead they would be able to accept the truth about their daughters death.

She was raped and murdered by an african migrant who has a history of knife crime, and there is no sinister plot, it's just that simple. he ****ed her, stabbed her, and ran away.

Instead they need an elaborate plot about her jealous roommate who was a satanic witch. it's just stupid.

Tom4784 10-09-2015 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8130780)
If Amanda Knox wasn't American i would not be paying attention to this case at all, so you are wrong. And if Meredith wasn't british you and Livia wouldn't be talking about it either.

Not at all, I comment on American issues more than I do on English issues so that's a pretty dumb point to make.


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