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arista 30-10-2015 06:11 PM

Freed Guantanamo Briton Thanks Supporters
 
This Man was mean't to be set free it
in 2007

Why Keep him until now
He has Never Ever Been Charged.


USA /UK Balls Up.

http://news.sky.com/story/1578782/fr...nks-supporters

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-736x414.jpg

Tom4784 30-10-2015 06:27 PM

I hope he sues them for millions.

Cherie 30-10-2015 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8256582)
I hope he sues them for millions.

He doesn't have to to, he is due compensation which will run in to millions

Johnnyuk123 30-10-2015 06:49 PM

If you read the report he's not British. He's a Saudi National.

bots 30-10-2015 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123 (Post 8256633)
If you read the report he's not British. He's a Saudi National.

"Mr Aamer was born in Saudi Arabia but has British residency. His wife and four children live in London."

That gives him British rights

DemolitionRed 30-10-2015 07:49 PM

Disgusting how a 21st century country can have an off shore camp to elude human rights laws.

Welcome home Shaker Aamer.

kirklancaster 31-10-2015 08:52 AM

No amount of money can really compensate him for all those irretrievable lost years of his life, but I hope it is millions.

As Arista says; "Why keep him all this time with no charges being brought?" I'm looking forward to some type of PROPER enquiry which airs the truth about this unsavoury mess. I wonder if I'll be waiting in vain?

Nedusa 31-10-2015 09:13 AM

This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.

Tom4784 31-10-2015 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8257170)
This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.

Where's the proof that he's guilty of anything or that he committed any kind of crime at all? There was nothing and he was unjustly held for YEARS without being charged.

You're demonising this man on nothing more than a whim.

kirklancaster 31-10-2015 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8257170)
This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.

You KNOW that I am no terrorist appeaser - and I had this guy down just as you describe him - BUT, it is a total mystery then just WHY the authorities would choose to play in to the terrorists and their appeasers hands by NOT charging him?

As they have not charged him, then by law he is innocent and his 14 YEAR! imprisonment can only be categorised as unlawful - hence the perfectably reasonable agreement that he SHOULD be heavily compensated, AND my desire for a proper enquiry which will air the truth of this matter and answer my question of just why a man I was led to believe was a terrorist has yet been released without charge after 14 years?

We have a right to know the truth, and he has a right to compensation.

If he IS a terrorist, then the handling of this case by the authorities must be the biggest cock-up since Dunkirk.

JoshBB 31-10-2015 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8257170)
This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.


..seriously? I'm not one to call people racist, but I find it extremely unlikely you'd be saying this if he was of white british ethnicity.

Nedusa 31-10-2015 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8257186)
You KNOW that I am no terrorist appeaser - and I had this guy down just as you describe him - BUT, it is a total mystery then just WHY the authorities would choose to play in to the terrorists and their appeasers hands by NOT charging him?

As they have not charged him, then by law he is innocent and his 14 YEAR! imprisonment can only be categorised as unlawful - hence the perfectably reasonable agreement that he SHOULD be heavily compensated, AND my desire for a proper enquiry which will air the truth of this matter and answer my question of just why a man I was led to believe was a terrorist has yet been released without charge after 14 years?

We have a right to know the truth, and he has a right to compensation.

If he IS a terrorist, then the handling of this case by the authorities must be the biggest cock-up since Dunkirk.

I cannot believe even the Americans would unlawfully detain a completely innocent man for 14 years with no evidence whatsoever.

I have to believe the US authorities had plenty of Intel on this guy and there must have been some connections with jihadist groups or some sinister links with terrorism related organisations.

Surely being a Muslim with beard doesn't carry a 14 year prison term ??

If this is the case then I have to perhaps rethink my opening comments and pose the question what came first the terrorist or the terrorist government a sort of Chicken and Egg scenario ...

bots 31-10-2015 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8257245)
I cannot believe even the Americans would unlawfully detain a completely innocent man for 14 years with no evidence whatsoever.

I have to believe the US authorities had plenty of Intel on this guy and there must have been some connections with jihadist groups or some sinister links with terrorism related organisations.

Surely being a Muslim with beard doesn't carry a 14 year prison term ??

If this is the case then I have to perhaps rethink my opening comments and pose the question what came first the terrorist or the terrorist government a sort of Chicken and Egg scenario ...

They had 14 years to build a case against him and failed. If he had any terrorist connections, they would have put it to trial like any democracy is supposed to do ... No?

What gets me is that its been years since it was agreed that he had no case to answer, and yet they still kept him prisoner .... for YEARS after.

Many more intrinsically guilty people have gone free and received compensation, for a lot less than that.

kirklancaster 31-10-2015 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8257245)
I cannot believe even the Americans would unlawfully detain a completely innocent man for 14 years with no evidence whatsoever.

I have to believe the US authorities had plenty of Intel on this guy and there must have been some connections with jihadist groups or some sinister links with terrorism related organisations.

Surely being a Muslim with beard doesn't carry a 14 year prison term ??

If this is the case then I have to perhaps rethink my opening comments and pose the question what came first the terrorist or the terrorist government a sort of Chicken and Egg scenario ...

Hey, don't get me wrong Nedusa - For all we know -- or will EVER get to know -- this guy might be guilty as hell, and they may have KNOW he was guilty as hell and were determined to detain him until he cracked. He may have cracked within the last couple of years and spilled his guts about all he knew about ISIS or other terrorist factions, and they cut a deal with him: They release him without charge ensuring that he collects millions of pounds for informing by way of compensation for 'indefensible unlawful detention', plus none of his terrorist cronies will ever suspect him of informing.

Or he may just REALLY be innocent - I cannot understand why they detained him for so long if he really is, but WHO KNOWS anything when it comes to governments and the truth?

I only know that this whole sordid, unsavoury, disturbing case, DEMANDS an investigation and Enquiry of the highest order.

WE are owed it.

Kizzy 31-10-2015 12:52 PM

'Shaker Aamer, the British resident finally set free after spending almost 14 years incarcerated at Guantánamo Bay, is to bring legal proceedings against the British government over its alleged complicity in his mistreatment.

The case will include a claim for damages from the UK’s security and intelligence agencies, whose officers interrogated him three times while he was at the US detention facility in Cuba and who are alleged to have been present while he was being tortured at a prison in Afghanistan shortly after 9/11.
As the 48-year-old father-of-four landed back on UK soil, members of his legal team indicated to the Guardian that they expected the government to settle the claim as quickly as possible rather than suffer the embarrassment of seeing further allegations of the UK’s involvement in human rights abuses being aired in court.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-incarcaration

Crimson Dynamo 31-10-2015 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8257170)
This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.

blimey Nedusa

where the feck have you been? :joker:

Tom4784 31-10-2015 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8257364)
'Shaker Aamer, the British resident finally set free after spending almost 14 years incarcerated at Guantánamo Bay, is to bring legal proceedings against the British government over its alleged complicity in his mistreatment.

The case will include a claim for damages from the UK’s security and intelligence agencies, whose officers interrogated him three times while he was at the US detention facility in Cuba and who are alleged to have been present while he was being tortured at a prison in Afghanistan shortly after 9/11.
As the 48-year-old father-of-four landed back on UK soil, members of his legal team indicated to the Guardian that they expected the government to settle the claim as quickly as possible rather than suffer the embarrassment of seeing further allegations of the UK’s involvement in human rights abuses being aired in court.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-incarcaration

Good, he deserves every penny he's going to get.

Guantanamo is a disgrace that should have been shut down years ago.

Northern Monkey 31-10-2015 04:34 PM

I'm unsure tbh.We know what the yanks are like for cutting deals.He is either completely innocent or had some kind of involvement with terrorists and gave some valuable information to the CIA for his release.Who knows.

Nedusa 02-11-2015 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8257258)
Hey, don't get me wrong Nedusa - For all we know -- or will EVER get to know -- this guy might be guilty as hell, and they may have KNOW he was guilty as hell and were determined to detain him until he cracked. He may have cracked within the last couple of years and spilled his guts about all he knew about ISIS or other terrorist factions, and they cut a deal with him: They release him without charge ensuring that he collects millions of pounds for informing by way of compensation for 'indefensible unlawful detention', plus none of his terrorist cronies will ever suspect him of informing.

Or he may just REALLY be innocent - I cannot understand why they detained him for so long if he really is, but WHO KNOWS anything when it comes to governments and the truth?

I only know that this whole sordid, unsavoury, disturbing case, DEMANDS an investigation and Enquiry of the highest order.

WE are owed it.

Kirk, A good friend of mine works for the security services and although he cannot comment on specific cases he has left me in no doubt that this man was only held because he was deemed as such a high terrorist risk.

Make no mistake this man was and probably still is a nasty piece of work. someone who was invloved in terrorism against the west and although no single damming individual piece of evidence can prove his guilt in a court of law, believe me when I say that the security services here and in the US are in NO doubt whatsoever as to this evil piece of slime's true intents.

Pity he never got a bullet in his head back before he was first captured.

Honestly....some of the comments left on here are from people who have their head's well and truly stuck in the sand. These people will kill you, your family and your friends in a heartbeat, they care nothing for you or your way of life. To them you are the enemy, an enemy they are obliged to revert or kill.

They will not stop until there is a Mosque in every square...

We are sleepwalking into a potential catastrophe.

MTVN 02-11-2015 12:08 PM

He was cleared for release seven years ago. I suspect the fear with releasing Guantanamo inmates is with what they could reveal about practices there and that their time incarcerated could radicalise them even if they weren't before.

Tom4784 02-11-2015 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8262005)
Kirk, A good friend of mine works for the security services and although he cannot comment on specific cases he has left me in no doubt that this man was only held because he was deemed as such a high terrorist risk.

Make no mistake this man was and probably still is a nasty piece of work. someone who was invloved in terrorism against the west and although no single damming individual piece of evidence can prove his guilt in a court of law, believe me when I say that the security services here and in the US are in NO doubt whatsoever as to this evil piece of slime's true intents.

Pity he never got a bullet in his head back before he was first captured.

Honestly....some of the comments left on here are from people who have their head's well and truly stuck in the sand. These people will kill you, your family and your friends in a heartbeat, they care nothing for you or your way of life. To them you are the enemy, an enemy they are obliged to revert or kill.

They will not stop until there is a Mosque in every square...

We are sleepwalking into a potential catastrophe.

'My dad works for Nintendo'

Kizzy 02-11-2015 12:41 PM

Spirit of 38.....

bots 02-11-2015 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8262010)
He was cleared for release seven years ago. I suspect the fear with releasing Guantanamo inmates is with what they could reveal about practices there and that their time incarcerated could radicalise them even if they weren't before.

This is my opinion too, why else would you continue to hold someone for an additional 7 years after he was cleared for release. That alone justifies a compensation claim

Livia 02-11-2015 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8262010)
He was cleared for release seven years ago. I suspect the fear with releasing Guantanamo inmates is with what they could reveal about practices there and that their time incarcerated could radicalise them even if they weren't before.

If they were worried about that, I suspect he would have "died of natural causes" long before being released.

He's a British resident but a Saudi national. I wonder why he isn't leading his compensation claim from Saudi Arabia, as he has such a case against the British? Could it be because there are people incarcerated in Saudi, without trial, for longer than he's been at Guantanamo? Why, if he is so against the British government, has he chosen to return here?

Kizzy 02-11-2015 05:29 PM

Hmmm, does 'died of natural causes' mean he would be bumped off?
He has no case against the Saudis as it wasn't them who put him or kept him there, there are all kinds of justice across the globe it's irrelevant though.
He and his family live here, that is why he is returning.

Livia 02-11-2015 05:44 PM

That's why I put "died of natural causes" in inverted commas.

He has family here. Of course. Even though he's a Saudi national... but of course, he wouldn't get the kind of free legal he'll get here.

Kizzy 02-11-2015 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8262774)
That's why I put "died of natural causes" in inverted commas.

He has family here. Of course. Even though he's a Saudi national... but of course, he wouldn't get the kind of free legal he'll get here.

Ah I thought you meant in a mafia 'he had an accident' way... silly me.

He is entitled to whatever assistance he gets being an injured innocent party.

Livia 02-11-2015 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8262791)
Ah I thought you meant in a mafia 'he had an accident' way... silly me.

He is entitled to whatever assistance he gets being an injured innocent party.

That will be a great comfort to all the low-paid British nationals who can't get Legal Aid because their cases aren't high-profile enough.

Kizzy 02-11-2015 06:26 PM

We have as a nation a great sense of fair play, this guy has been wronged and being British I am proud to say good for him that he is being treated fairly at last.

kirklancaster 02-11-2015 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8262678)
If they were worried about that, I suspect he would have "died of natural causes" long before being released.

He's a British resident but a Saudi national. I wonder why he isn't leading his compensation claim from Saudi Arabia, as he has such a case against the British? Could it be because there are people incarcerated in Saudi, without trial, for longer than he's been at Guantanamo? Why, if he is so against the British government, has he chosen to return here?


Very valid points Liv. Perhaps someone may pose the same questions at some Official Enquiry.

JoshBB 02-11-2015 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8262005)
Kirk, A good friend of mine works for the security services and although he cannot comment on specific cases he has left me in no doubt that this man was only held because he was deemed as such a high terrorist risk.

Make no mistake this man was and probably still is a nasty piece of work. someone who was invloved in terrorism against the west and although no single damming individual piece of evidence can prove his guilt in a court of law, believe me when I say that the security services here and in the US are in NO doubt whatsoever as to this evil piece of slime's true intents.

Pity he never got a bullet in his head back before he was first captured.

Honestly....some of the comments left on here are from people who have their head's well and truly stuck in the sand. These people will kill you, your family and your friends in a heartbeat, they care nothing for you or your way of life. To them you are the enemy, an enemy they are obliged to revert or kill.

They will not stop until there is a Mosque in every square...

We are sleepwalking into a potential catastrophe.

Oh piss off. Muslims don't want to overtake us, stop being ridiculous. He hasn't been charged with a crime, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. That is a fundamental part of our judicial system.

You cannot just call this man a terrorist because you feel like it, he has not been to court and has never been charged for committing anything of the sort. This whole 'gun in the head straight away' bs.. let's just hope you're never accused of terrorism, otherwise you'd have no chance to prove your innocence!

Not to mention the dangerous link you are making here. The comment bolded definitely portrays mosques in a bad light, which is totally unfair to the huge majority of muslims in the UK who worship peacefully and would never hurt a fly. There are bad eggs just like there are extreme christians, jewish people, hindus.. whatever.

kirklancaster 02-11-2015 07:38 PM

The SELF-PROCLAIMED, WELL DOCUMENTED agenda of EVERY Muslim extremist is the complete conquering of every non-Islamic country in the world to Islamify them, in addition to the total control of every Muslim country so that they can establish their own extreme fundamentalist form of Islam - Reclaiming the world for Allah.

And NO - they will NOT stop beheading, bombing, and slaughtering until that goal is achieved, so Nedusa is correct. Anyone who disagrees with her needs some history lessons - urgently.

Kizzy 02-11-2015 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8263257)
The SELF-PROCLAIMED, WELL DOCUMENTED agenda of EVERY Muslim extremist is the complete conquering of every non-Islamic country in the world to Islamify them, in addition to the total control of every Muslim country so that they can establish their own extreme fundamentalist form of Islam - Reclaiming the world for Allah.

And NO - they will NOT stop beheading, bombing, and slaughtering until that goal is achieved, so Nedusa is correct. Anyone who disagrees with her needs some history lessons - urgently.

How does this relate to the man in discussion?

lostalex 03-11-2015 03:13 AM

who was flying to afghanistan right after 9/11 at the beginning of the war. sorry, i don't buy his story that he was there to just do "humanitarian work"... i think he was definitely going there for jihad.

Nedusa 03-11-2015 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8262024)
'My dad works for Nintendo'

Glad to hear it...........but be warned this is NOT a game.

Livia 03-11-2015 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8263955)
who was flying to afghanistan right after 9/11 at the beginning of the war. sorry, i don't buy his story that he was there to just do "humanitarian work"... i think he was definitely going there for jihad.

Yes... if it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck...

Nedusa 03-11-2015 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 8263041)
Oh piss off. Muslims don't want to overtake us, stop being ridiculous. He hasn't been charged with a crime, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. That is a fundamental part of our judicial system.

You cannot just call this man a terrorist because you feel like it, he has not been to court and has never been charged for committing anything of the sort. This whole 'gun in the head straight away' bs.. let's just hope you're never accused of terrorism, otherwise you'd have no chance to prove your innocence!

Not to mention the dangerous link you are making here. The comment bolded definitely portrays mosques in a bad light, which is totally unfair to the huge majority of muslims in the UK who worship peacefully and would never hurt a fly. There are bad eggs just like there are extreme christians, jewish people, hindus.. whatever.

You clearly know absolutely nothing about Islam, and are living in a dreamworld if you think they will be content to all live side by side and just "get on".

I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists that is ridiculous but their religion is at odds against all NON Muslim religions and they will never, ever integrate into your cosy little world view. They are tasked with trying to spread their evil hate filled toxic "religion" at all costs. and whether they do it through direct force ie terrorism/direct military action or the slow game where they establish themselves in ever increasing numbers through high Birth rates etc... the fact is they are not interested in this Country, it's religion, culture or it's peoples they only want this country as part of a wider global Caliphate.

Why do so many people have trouble in understanding this...

Livia 03-11-2015 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 8263041)
Oh piss off. Muslims don't want to overtake us, stop being ridiculous. He hasn't been charged with a crime, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. That is a fundamental part of our judicial system.

You cannot just call this man a terrorist because you feel like it, he has not been to court and has never been charged for committing anything of the sort. This whole 'gun in the head straight away' bs.. let's just hope you're never accused of terrorism, otherwise you'd have no chance to prove your innocence!

Not to mention the dangerous link you are making here. The comment bolded definitely portrays mosques in a bad light, which is totally unfair to the huge majority of muslims in the UK who worship peacefully and would never hurt a fly. There are bad eggs just like there are extreme christians, jewish people, hindus.. whatever.

Fundamentalist Muslims have made it clear they they will not stop until their flag is flying over the UK Parliament and the White House. Did you miss that report, Josh? Or do you think they weren't in earnest.

The aim of the fundamentalist muslim is to kill every infidel. You cannot equate fundamentalist muslims with any other fundamentalist sect because THEY are the only one's who've vowed to kill us all.

You've got to take the blinkers off. Not all Muslims are terrorists, we know that very clearly. But you cannot underestimate the danger of the fundamentalist muslim.

Incidentally... "piss off"? Is that a suitable rebuff for Serious Debates do you think?

Tom4784 03-11-2015 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8264137)
Glad to hear it...........but be warned this is NOT a game.

You .................................................. ................The point.

You could at least be honest with your intent and not make up imaginary 'friends that work with the security services.' Not one person on here believes that you have a friend like that. If it's all so hush hush then why are you betraying your imaginary friend's trust by spilling it online?

You're just lying to try to justify your random inane bile.

Tom4784 03-11-2015 12:22 PM

The goal of ALL organised religion is to 'conquer', they aren't belief systems, they're control systems. people dreamed up every religion as a way to control the superstitious masses back when Science wasn't a thing.


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