MERKEL'S WORST NIGHTMARE: Germany calls for Referendum
 

MERKEL'S WORST NIGHTMARE: Germany calls for Referendum as 'people want to be free of EU'

Far right figures in Alternative for Germany have promised to call their own vote if they clutch power in country's general election in autumn next year.

A party spokesman branded Brussels a "bureaucracy monster", before adding: "Next year the AfD will enter the German parliament and Dexit will be top on our agenda".

They called the vote a Dexit as it stands for a Deutschland exit from the EU.

Eurosceptism has swept across the continent after the people of Britain backed Brexit in the historic EU referendum on June 23.
AfD chairman Bjorn Hocke said: "I know the German people want to be free of EU slavery."

George Pazderski of Berlin AfD Berlin AfD added: "Germans must decided on staying in the EU.

"The AfD is the only part which speaks out clearly in favour of them deciding."

Party leader Frauke Petry, who caused controversy earlier this year when she called on German police to open fire on illegal immigrations, reacted with delight at Britain's decision to sever ties with Brussels.

She said: "This is the chance for a new Europe, one which maintains partnerships and "The result would be more exits. At the very least the Brussels bureaucracy must be radically reduced and the centralist regulation craze ended.

"The time is ripe for a new Europe, a Europe of fatherlands, where we peacefully trade with each other, maintain partnerships and respect the will of the national sovereignties.

"One can only warn the German government not to fill the missing British net contribution with German tax money and thus continue the political fallacy."

However a chance of a German EU referendum may not be that simple.

The experience of Nazi manipulation of plebiscites has left a dent in the trust of polls on a national scale.

The country's post-war constitution currently only allows for referendums if the constitution itself or the territories of the states making ip the republic are to be reformed.respected national sovereignties.

"The Great Britain decision to leave the EU is a signal to the Brussels Politburo and its bureaucratic attachments. If the EU does not finally leave its wrong path, and the quasi-socialist experiment of deeper political integration, more European Nations will reclaim their sovereignty the way British are.

Ralph Kampwirth of the Initiative & Referendum Institute Europe said: "Germany is one of the few EU countries with no experience of national referendums.

"In the Weimar Republic there were two national referendums; during the Nazi reign, three plebiscites were held, with biased questions and blatant manipulation of results.

"A referendum does not mandate an organised political opposition - it simply requires a yes or no answer - one reason why both Napoleon and Hitler were enamoured of them."

Mrs Merkel and French president FrancoisHollande are said to be concerned that Brexit will lead to contagion and populist far-right parties would win support for their planes for the disintegration of the EU off the back of it.

So far far-right National Front party leader Marine Le Pen has called for France to host an EU referendum as she declared her support for Brexit.

The leader of far-right Danish People's Party says Denmark should now follow Britain's lead and hold a referendum on its membership.

Eurosceptic feeling is also surging in the Netherlands, with two-thirds of voters rejecting a Ukraine-EU treaty on closer political and economic ties.

Anti-EU politician Geert Wilders declared the result the “beginning of the end” for the Dutch government and the EU.

It's everyone's worst nightmare as this is being orchestrated by the far right

Indeed, but to underestimate Merkel is not wise, she is formidable.

Anyway I think in a referendum the Germans would vote to remain,I don't see one happening however.

after the political chaos of our referendum I think all euro politicians will be doing all they can to avoid a referendum for fear of their jobs

Spot on. I agree.

Yes but as we've seen here people power should not be underestimated , no matter how formidable you are.

I think any European nation watching back our EU campaign would now not want to have anything to do with such a poor show of what should have been true democracy.
Something that turned into the most nastiest example of same unfortunately.

lets face it if the countries won't hold a referendum, its because they think the result will go against them. The far right mumblings across europe just mirror UKIP here. When people become unhappy enough, they will support those extreme voices to force the government of the day to listen to them.

This is a europe wide issue, and it won't go away by them sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending its not happening.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: BRILLIANTLY written succinct and true.

the eu will continue to collapse it simply can never succeed

I've just come back from a couple of days in The Hague. I spoke to lots of people, mainly Dutch, but others from all over Europe. You can imagine Brexit was quite a hot topic and the general consensus was that UK is the first of many countries to exit, and if they had a chance to vote out most of them would.

Maybe so but the fact remains that we only had our referendum because a Prime Minister in favour of EU membership granted it to us. The other countries won't make the same mistake. Ukip did not and never would have had the power to call a referendum themselves and the same is true of the AfD. They say they'll hold the referendum 'if they clutch power in country's general election' but they're never going to do that so its a moot point.

precedent and momentum make a difference though. It encourages dissenting voices. If the EU was in prosperous times, no-one would want to leave, but its going to be in difficulties for some years to come, so its a very vulnerable environment at the moment

LOL it seems the only people that want to be a part of the EU are the bureaucrats and Toy Soldier. :laugh:

It's not the far right's fault that they have a monopoly on this issue. It's every other parties fault for ignoring the will of the people.

The EU was a concept that was way ahead of its time and perhaps any time. To my eyes, Europe is a land filled with ancient grievances and grudges. The Romans couldn't even maintain it forever.

The EU is like the Titanic. Right now the orchestra is playing to keep the passengers calm and the English are attempting to get in a life-boat.

:clap2:

You obviously haven't been reading my posts properly, then. Certainly not well enough to be trying to speak for me. Not sure why you decided to name me specifically... that seems like an error to me but we'll see what happens :hee:.

I singled you out because I knew you would read it and respond. Thanks for proving me right. :tongue:

Oh, are you picking on me? Is this me being picked on? Are you pulling my pigtails? :(

I wouldn't dream of picking on you. :hee: You have pigtails? Never would have guessed.

I actually really believe the only thing that will likely come out of our referendum to the rest of the EU, is that more reform of it is ow seen to be needed and will be done now, Even Germany and France are saying that is needed.
Once that starts to happen any severe grudges against the EU will likely fade somewhat.

I agree with you,I cannot see any leader of a EU Nation calling a referendum,I also doubt in reality any current member Nation would actually vote to leave even if they did too.
Some results would be close but not a majority to leave.

Also unlike our poorly presented and planned referendum, there would be probably locks on it on as to vote majority and turnout too,in the EU Nations as to a referendum being binding.
Not a chance in my opinion that a EU Nation would ever be take out of the EU after a result like ours was,no way.

Any reform that does happen within the EU wouldn't have happened without the UK leaving though, so someone had to do it to force the reform. Its not like the EU wasn't well aware of our issues before we took the vote, they refused to modify terms when the writing was on the wall. The EU bureaucracy are more to blame than anyone else.

So we'll be remembered as martyrs? That's something at least...

Why would Germany want to pull out? They benefit in this more than anyone?:conf:

I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only one with a brain? If the country has a better Economy being in a Union or some form of an organization then it's for the best to stay in it as it's the smart and patriotic thing to do.

Exactly, and we're giving extreme ideologies such as Islam more power but these people will learn soon enough.

And 48% that voted to remain, then don't forget the people that never voted, and then the 16 and younger that would've voted to Remain, well most of them anyway.:laugh:

Leave is always gonna win these Referendums not because that they're the majority, but more because of the fact that it's like when BB does VTE and VTS, VTE attracts more votes because it's the more negative option, not as many people are as impassioned to vote to save a Housemate as they are evicting a Housemate.

And that's what's happened here, people on the leave camp were more impassioned than the majority that wanted the status quo.

The argument often used as to turnouts that don't come to the figure of near all that can vote as to the govts not being elected with full mandates of votes .
Is that it is assumed those who do not vote give consent to the status quo.

Overall this was a 70+ turnout but only resulted in a 4% win, Nigel Farage was reported to have said, if there was a narrow win like this for remain,that was unfinished business and the matter not settled and he would call for a 2nd referendum, widely reported in the Mirror and the Daily express.

How odd it is now with a narrow win for leave.

I always said I believed more in the UK would have been on the remain side, some strongly others more softly as to their view,however I always said we could sleepwalk out of the EU by the fact that those wanting to leave,being more determined to vote.

So I agree with your post entirely.

However the govt failed to put any locks on the vote,at the very least they should have had that 3 of the UK nations had to support leaving or that there had to be a 67% vote either way to be binding on the govt.

Also however,this petition that now has gathered around 3.5 million signatures, after the removal of names that are not valid on it.
This was devised last year by a leave supporter, who stated first there should have to be a 75% turnout and at least a 60% vote for remain or leave to make the referendum result valid.

I bet with all his being, David Cameron wishes he had looked at that and made it so now.

We probably do still have a UK where more would have stayed than left.
Which will do nothing at all to help heal the divisions of this referendum.
Even worse after the rise in racist and xenophobic incidents, which this campaign has helped fuel further, as to such people that think that way unfortunately.

Honest Nige again there Joey.

"Nigel it's 52%..."

"52% that is far too close for this to be over!! So many people clearly want this we will continue the fight until w... "

"52% for LEAVE, Nigel."

"U wot??? YES! It's over! Freedom! Done and dusted! The people have spoken and it's OUT OUT OUT No more questions please. "

That's about right TS, you couldn't make it up.

It's like the EU is Big Brother UK in channel 4 times and we're watching channel 5 take over slowly but surely :(

Your views on Nigel have surpassed the 'Reaching' stage T.S. - Nigel's 'fibs' are far fewer and pale into total insignificance when compared to 'Cam The Sham' and his pet Gopher Osborne - not to mention a few dozen others on the Labour benches.

Still, I suppose you all have to have SOMETHING to grouse about when it comes to Farage.

Are you denying that he has a double-standard when it comes to what percentage he is willing to consider binding?

Also, the fact that others have lied more isn't really relevant, is it? That's like saying someone shouldn't be charged with assault because the guy who lives down the street is a murderer.

It is relevant to the point which I am making; that it is laughable the way in which certain members on here keep lambasting Farage for what they allege are a few minor fibs, whilst conveniently ignoring the massive, disgusting catalogue of serious lies which have been repeatedly churned out with impunity by other politicians.

I wouldn't call someone demanding that they would get further attention for their beliefs if they got a 48/52% split in the votes one minute, and then isisting that the vote is done and dusted and not up for discussion the next minute after it's gone his way, a "minor fib". I'd call it completely disingenuous.

Who is doing that, exactly?

The pattern here is that it only seems to be the extreme right of these countries that are calling for a Referendum.

:laugh:

Farage has built a career on lies. The only reason why he's still in power in UKIP is because he lied. None of the statements and promises that he made his EU campaign on proved truthful.

I don't understand why anyone can still support him when he's lied over and over again.

Dezzy , it does not matter , now
We are out.


You Must Move Forward Dezzy


We can not have trouble on our streets
I mean BHS is trying to Close Down
for good.

And the Team
in charge of the Closedown
told me they must sell everything in the store
to get every penny back.