[kirklancaster]

MERKEL'S WORST NIGHTMARE: Germany calls for Referendum as 'people want to be free of EU'

BELEAGUERED Angela Merkel is facing calls for a referendum to free German people of "EU slavery" in the wake of Britain's sensational decision to cut ties with Brussels.

By REBECCA PERRING
PUBLISHE 03:09, Fri, Jul 1, 2016 | UPDATE 08:08, Fri, Jul 1, 2016

Far right figures in Alternative for Germany have promised to call their own vote if they clutch power in country's general election in autumn next year.

A party spokesman branded Brussels a "bureaucracy monster", before adding: "Next year the AfD will enter the German parliament and Dexit will be top on our agenda".

They called the vote a Dexit as it stands for a Deutschland exit from the EU.

Eurosceptism has swept across the continent after the people of Britain backed Brexit in the historic EU referendum on June 23.
AfD chairman Bjorn Hocke said: "I know the German people want to be free of EU slavery."

George Pazderski of Berlin AfD Berlin AfD added: "Germans must decided on staying in the EU.

"The AfD is the only part which speaks out clearly in favour of them deciding."

Party leader Frauke Petry, who caused controversy earlier this year when she called on German police to open fire on illegal immigrations, reacted with delight at Britain's decision to sever ties with Brussels.

She said: "This is the chance for a new Europe, one which maintains partnerships and "The result would be more exits. At the very least the Brussels bureaucracy must be radically reduced and the centralist regulation craze ended.

"The time is ripe for a new Europe, a Europe of fatherlands, where we peacefully trade with each other, maintain partnerships and respect the will of the national sovereignties.

"One can only warn the German government not to fill the missing British net contribution with German tax money and thus continue the political fallacy."

However a chance of a German EU referendum may not be that simple.

The experience of Nazi manipulation of plebiscites has left a dent in the trust of polls on a national scale.

The country's post-war constitution currently only allows for referendums if the constitution itself or the territories of the states making ip the republic are to be reformed.respected national sovereignties.

"The Great Britain decision to leave the EU is a signal to the Brussels Politburo and its bureaucratic attachments. If the EU does not finally leave its wrong path, and the quasi-socialist experiment of deeper political integration, more European Nations will reclaim their sovereignty the way British are.

Ralph Kampwirth of the Initiative & Referendum Institute Europe said: "Germany is one of the few EU countries with no experience of national referendums.

"In the Weimar Republic there were two national referendums; during the Nazi reign, three plebiscites were held, with biased questions and blatant manipulation of results.

"A referendum does not mandate an organised political opposition - it simply requires a yes or no answer - one reason why both Napoleon and Hitler were enamoured of them."

Mrs Merkel and French president FrancoisHollande are said to be concerned that Brexit will lead to contagion and populist far-right parties would win support for their planes for the disintegration of the EU off the back of it.

So far far-right National Front party leader Marine Le Pen has called for France to host an EU referendum as she declared her support for Brexit.

The leader of far-right Danish People's Party says Denmark should now follow Britain's lead and hold a referendum on its membership.

Eurosceptic feeling is also surging in the Netherlands, with two-thirds of voters rejecting a Ukraine-EU treaty on closer political and economic ties.

Anti-EU politician Geert Wilders declared the result the “beginning of the end” for the Dutch government and the EU.

[Cherie]

It's everyone's worst nightmare as this is being orchestrated by the far right

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's everyone's worst nightmare as this is being orchestrated by the far right

Indeed, but to underestimate Merkel is not wise, she is formidable.

Anyway I think in a referendum the Germans would vote to remain,I don't see one happening however.

[LeatherTrumpet]

after the political chaos of our referendum I think all euro politicians will be doing all they can to avoid a referendum for fear of their jobs

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

after the political chaos of our referendum I think all euro politicians will be doing all they can to avoid a referendum for fear of their jobs

Spot on. I agree.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Indeed, but to underestimate Merkel is not wise, she is formidable.

Anyway I think in a referendum the Germans would vote to remain,I don't see one happening however.

Yes but as we've seen here people power should not be underestimated , no matter how formidable you are.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Yes but as we've seen here people power should not be underestimated , no matter how formidable you are.

I think any European nation watching back our EU campaign would now not want to have anything to do with such a poor show of what should have been true democracy.
Something that turned into the most nastiest example of same unfortunately.

[bitontheslide]

lets face it if the countries won't hold a referendum, its because they think the result will go against them. The far right mumblings across europe just mirror UKIP here. When people become unhappy enough, they will support those extreme voices to force the government of the day to listen to them.

This is a europe wide issue, and it won't go away by them sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending its not happening.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

lets face it if the countries won't hold a referendum, its because they think the result will go against them. The far right mumblings across europe just mirror UKIP here. When people become unhappy enough, they will support those extreme voices to force the government of the day to listen to them.

This is a europe wide issue, and it won't go away by them sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending its not happening.

BRILLIANTLY written succinct and true.

[arista]

How Nice

[the truth]

the eu will continue to collapse it simply can never succeed

[Livia]

I've just come back from a couple of days in The Hague. I spoke to lots of people, mainly Dutch, but others from all over Europe. You can imagine Brexit was quite a hot topic and the general consensus was that UK is the first of many countries to exit, and if they had a chance to vote out most of them would.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

lets face it if the countries won't hold a referendum, its because they think the result will go against them. The far right mumblings across europe just mirror UKIP here. When people become unhappy enough, they will support those extreme voices to force the government of the day to listen to them.

This is a europe wide issue, and it won't go away by them sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending its not happening.

Maybe so but the fact remains that we only had our referendum because a Prime Minister in favour of EU membership granted it to us. The other countries won't make the same mistake. Ukip did not and never would have had the power to call a referendum themselves and the same is true of the AfD. They say they'll hold the referendum 'if they clutch power in country's general election' but they're never going to do that so its a moot point.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Maybe so but the fact remains that we only had our referendum because a Prime Minister in favour of EU membership granted it to us. The other countries won't make the same mistake. Ukip did not and never would have had the power to call a referendum themselves and the same is true of the AfD. They say they'll hold the referendum 'if they clutch power in country's general election' but they're never going to do that so its a moot point.

precedent and momentum make a difference though. It encourages dissenting voices. If the EU was in prosperous times, no-one would want to leave, but its going to be in difficulties for some years to come, so its a very vulnerable environment at the moment

[Liberty4eva]

LOL it seems the only people that want to be a part of the EU are the bureaucrats and Toy Soldier.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's everyone's worst nightmare as this is being orchestrated by the far right

It's not the far right's fault that they have a monopoly on this issue. It's every other parties fault for ignoring the will of the people.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've just come back from a couple of days in The Hague. I spoke to lots of people, mainly Dutch, but others from all over Europe. You can imagine Brexit was quite a hot topic and the general consensus was that UK is the first of many countries to exit, and if they had a chance to vote out most of them would.

The EU was a concept that was way ahead of its time and perhaps any time. To my eyes, Europe is a land filled with ancient grievances and grudges. The Romans couldn't even maintain it forever.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by the truth

the eu will continue to collapse it simply can never succeed

The EU is like the Titanic. Right now the orchestra is playing to keep the passengers calm and the English are attempting to get in a life-boat.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've just come back from a couple of days in The Hague. I spoke to lots of people, mainly Dutch, but others from all over Europe. You can imagine Brexit was quite a hot topic and the general consensus was that UK is the first of many countries to exit, and if they had a chance to vote out most of them would.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

LOL it seems the only people that want to be a part of the EU are the bureaucrats and Toy Soldier.

You obviously haven't been reading my posts properly, then. Certainly not well enough to be trying to speak for me. Not sure why you decided to name me specifically... that seems like an error to me but we'll see what happens .

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You obviously haven't been reading my posts properly, then. Certainly not well enough to be trying to speak for me. Not sure why you decided to name me specifically... that seems like an error to me but we'll see what happens .

I singled you out because I knew you would read it and respond. Thanks for proving me right.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I singled you out because I knew you would read it and respond. Thanks for proving me right.

Oh, are you picking on me? Is this me being picked on? Are you pulling my pigtails?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh, are you picking on me? Is this me being picked on? Are you pulling my pigtails?

I wouldn't dream of picking on you. You have pigtails? Never would have guessed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Maybe so but the fact remains that we only had our referendum because a Prime Minister in favour of EU membership granted it to us. The other countries won't make the same mistake. Ukip did not and never would have had the power to call a referendum themselves and the same is true of the AfD. They say they'll hold the referendum 'if they clutch power in country's general election' but they're never going to do that so its a moot point.

I actually really believe the only thing that will likely come out of our referendum to the rest of the EU, is that more reform of it is ow seen to be needed and will be done now, Even Germany and France are saying that is needed.
Once that starts to happen any severe grudges against the EU will likely fade somewhat.

I agree with you,I cannot see any leader of a EU Nation calling a referendum,I also doubt in reality any current member Nation would actually vote to leave even if they did too.
Some results would be close but not a majority to leave.

Also unlike our poorly presented and planned referendum, there would be probably locks on it on as to vote majority and turnout too,in the EU Nations as to a referendum being binding.
Not a chance in my opinion that a EU Nation would ever be take out of the EU after a result like ours was,no way.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I actually really believe the only thing that will likely come out of our referendum to the rest of the EU, is that more reform of it is ow seen to be needed and will be done now, Even Germany and France are saying that is needed.
Once that starts to happen any severe grudges against the EU will likely fade somewhat.

I agree with you,I cannot see any leader of a EU Nation calling a referendum,I also doubt in reality any current member Nation would actually vote to leave even if they did too.
Some results would be close but not a majority to leave.

Also unlike our poorly presented and planned referendum, there would be probably locks on it on as to vote majority and turnout too,in the EU Nations as to a referendum being binding.
Not a chance in my opinion that a EU Nation would ever be take out of the EU after a result like ours was,no way.

Any reform that does happen within the EU wouldn't have happened without the UK leaving though, so someone had to do it to force the reform. Its not like the EU wasn't well aware of our issues before we took the vote, they refused to modify terms when the writing was on the wall. The EU bureaucracy are more to blame than anyone else.