Labour preach femininism yet the tories have the female pm's?
 

Just underlines how a lot of labours fake quick fix social engineering tactics dont work, whereas the tories in this case have a system more meritocratic where its simply the bets person for the job not women only shortlists which often are undemocratic unmeriticratic and dont get the best person for the job. i dont care what gender the leader is, but let them get there on merit

socialism never works as it starts off with a failure to understand people

Labour's never had a female party leader in its 116 years. It's a disgrace.

that is shocking

The Conservatives have only had one before but was the Iron Lady really a female?

I do not see what sex a PM is should be relevant.

Labour has had some really strong Women as Cabinet Ministers.
People like Barbara Castle and Shirley Williams to name 2.
In fact I think had she not lost her seat in the 1979 election, had she then stood Shirley Williams would have been chosen by Labour as leader then to combat Margaret Thatcher.

I think the novelty of a female PM is now long past however and there were Women candidates in the last leadership election for leader who failed again.
They will get there one day but to me it's irrelevant, just who can do the job is what matters.

Labour has however been temporarily led by 2 Women over 3 occasions, Margaret Beckett after John Smith died until Tony Blair was elected,and Harriett Harman twice, between Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband and then between Miliband and Corbyn too.

Mind you if this is the best 2 Women for the top job this time round then the parties are in a pretty poor position.

just endured another pitiful politically correct bbc news episode when they taught us almost nothing about these 2 candidates but repeeated the fact they are 2 women 9 times in the same report, absolutely mind numbingly pathetic. are we going to grill these 2 and every facet of their beings, their beliefs careers intelligence, character and potential like male candidates, i sincerely hope so. in reality most people who criticize will at some stage simply be called sexist and their flaws will be ignored

Exactly, I agree with you on that.
They will likely get much easier ride and likely far less intrusion as to those connected to them,unlike what a male candidate would be going through.

I agree with you it is not sexist at all to disapprove of choices just because they are female, I further agree it would be seen as that however.

I still state and believe that to me, these are 2 of the worst possible candidates there could be,not because they are women but that their uncompromising attitudes,their ideas and policies stink to high heaven.

one is a hedge fund manager with a career of tax avoidance and dont even get me started on teresa may, some of her statements and decision making made donald trump look like a teddy bear. her public service slashes were utterly ruthless too

No disagreement from me with you there 'the truth'.:cheer2:

I think if Theresa wins it, it will be like the 2nd coming of Maggie. Should be entertaining, but I do think she will be a strong negotiator, which is exactly what we need over the next few years. There is always the time in history for a particular type of person, even when they wouldn't be considered at any other time.

:fist: Will you and The Truth get a room Joey? :laugh:

(Just joking Truth.)

lol our current bromance is purely platonic , but we're bound to find something else to disagree over soon

Yes they are to busy fighting each other
Old Labour Vs New Blair Labour

2 women leaders and no positive discrimination in sight, new labour are you listening, all discrimination is discrimination, choose your leaders on merit, its a democracy

Let's not forget the current candidates are only in the running because everyone else has resigned.

prime ministers always resign in the end, i dont see your point tbh

1 year into their term? Then there is Boris. Let's not make this out to be a move decided by forward thinking Tories. A second female PM is great, just a shame they're both quite right wing.

Yes I understand your fear.


BBC1HD QT last night was great
Nice everyone on the panel
accepted we are Out.

Of course much TIME was wasted on Blair
BBC should be more flexible and give the them a xtra30mins
for Brexit questions
Sky updates the planner
virgin does not.

I mean Feck me the BBC Tennis fecks up everything
Flexible on that - the Feckers are
the One Show on BBC2 - is Fecking stupid

Whenever I agree with anyone I will say so, it is only personal insults I do not like or see the need for.

Actually for a fair while on here he and I agreed on lots of issues across the board and I am always glad when we can agree now on a range of issues.
This issue particularly.
We both will likely never support the same party,that still doesn't mean there is not more that probably unites than divides.
I always look for that, even with yourself and in truth, there are probably only about 3 on here that I would disagree with all the time now.
None of them being you or 'the truth'.

Doesn't that Leadsom woman want to bring back foxhunting ? well she can feck right off:fist:

Yes she does, very much in favour of it.

I know it's all about much more than foxhunting Joey but if they bring that back I will be done with them.

What I don't like about Leadsom is she is hiding what she really thinks in my view.
I watched her closely in interviews and she smiles often when ,making a serious or controversial point.
I have found that is often a trait in someone lying and deceiving.

The smile hiding more sinister thinking, so she's not for me I'm afraid, no matter what party she was from, to me she is as false as false can be.

Obviously as I have said on another thread, I abhor foxhunting with hounds so for me that's just another reason to be wary of her.

I agree Joey,I don't know much about her but did catch the foxhunting thing yesterday,so that was enough for me,I still wish Cameron was in charge but it's not to be,they need to give themselves a good sort out as do Labour,we seem in turmoil at the moment.

It is chaos all round at present Kazanne, unfortunately.
Neither of these candidates, May or Leadsom are the real answer to it either.

Err Theresa May holds exactly the same opinion - she wants to repeal the fox hunting ban as well

Foxhunting: "The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible" - Oscar Wilde

Shame on both these bitches then.

Not a problem Kirk
its not on any agenda


Contract 50 Out of the FECKING EU
must get started this year ending



India is ready to Trade Free from Tax
I thank them
That's the spirit



Feel The Force

Yes - you are correct Arista. Someone who is 100% committed to a Brexit deal which is THE most beneficial to the UK is what is most important, and that someone also has to be strong enough to implement FAIR policies which can heal The schism which exists in the UK now.

India is GREAT news, but only the tip of the iceberg, because MORE countries will follow - including an EU desperate to maintain her very beneficial, much needed, MULTI BILLIONS OF POUNDS surplus trade with the UK.

this fox hunting ban is a complete red herring. There are so many ways around the ban, its laughable. Also, living in an area that used to have fox hunts regularly, and now seeing foxes everywhere, causing damage, and getting more and more of a nuisance, other methods of controlling numbers need to be used to keep the problem manageable.

I agree.

Is there any free movement attached to the free trade?

If there are ways around the fox hunting ban in place,then the law as to it needs to be tightened up further not repealing.
Also those getting ways around it facing much harsher penalties for doing so.

Also I still say article 50 and brexit should not be undertaken until a general election is held.

Nowhere in the referendum just held, is there a timetable for leaving the EU.
Article 50 can be triggered any time and I think it outrageous if it were done before another general election.
If the election is not going to be until 2020 as these 2 say, then no way should it be until then.
There is no mandate at all to trigger it as to time or even to what deals may have to be done.

All I can see coming from this arrogance and stubbornness of these 2 women as would be leaders as to that is a great deal more division being created across the UK.

A general election too could also test Scotland as to an independence referendum as to how well or not the SNP did in a new general election for Westminster.

Don't get me wrong I love foxes, but let's not get distracted from bigger issues such as human rights and workers directives... don't take your eye off the ball.

Absolutely right Kizzy and great to see you back again.

Thanks Joey, back in tonight so off again ...fight the good fight! :laugh:

As a Feminist i couldn't care less at the candidates both being women, when both are abhorrent women
Woman doesn't = Feminist. It's ridiculously seeing so many laud this as some massive victory for women

India needs its workers there
to run VirginMedia helplines etc
Those are 10 year contracts in some cases

there should be no war of the sexes at all.. feminism should roll over and die. equal opportunities for all, equal laws for all, there is no war of the sexes its not a mans world nor a womans world, the world belongs to the uber rich and tghe only wars are between the top 1% elite and the rest. the sooner we actually understand this the quicker we will move forward and start to solve the real problems and the real evil in the world. world war 1 and 2, 90 million young poor working class men died fighting rich peoples wars. we must not allow the elite to divide and conquer us any more. working class men and women must come together and fight the power