[the truth]

Just underlines how a lot of labours fake quick fix social engineering tactics dont work, whereas the tories in this case have a system more meritocratic where its simply the bets person for the job not women only shortlists which often are undemocratic unmeriticratic and dont get the best person for the job. i dont care what gender the leader is, but let them get there on merit

[Crimson Dynamo]

socialism never works as it starts off with a failure to understand people

[_Tom_]

Labour's never had a female party leader in its 116 years. It's a disgrace.

[Crimson Dynamo]

that is shocking

[DemolitionRed]

The Conservatives have only had one before but was the Iron Lady really a female?

[joeysteele]

I do not see what sex a PM is should be relevant.

Labour has had some really strong Women as Cabinet Ministers.
People like Barbara Castle and Shirley Williams to name 2.
In fact I think had she not lost her seat in the 1979 election, had she then stood Shirley Williams would have been chosen by Labour as leader then to combat Margaret Thatcher.

I think the novelty of a female PM is now long past however and there were Women candidates in the last leadership election for leader who failed again.
They will get there one day but to me it's irrelevant, just who can do the job is what matters.

Labour has however been temporarily led by 2 Women over 3 occasions, Margaret Beckett after John Smith died until Tony Blair was elected,and Harriett Harman twice, between Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband and then between Miliband and Corbyn too.

Mind you if this is the best 2 Women for the top job this time round then the parties are in a pretty poor position.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I do not see what sex a PM is should be relevant.

Labour has had some really strong Women as Cabinet Ministers.
People like Barbara Castle and Shirley Williams to name 2.
In fact I think had she not lost her seat in the 1979 election, had she then stood Shirley Williams would have been chosen by Labour as leader then to combat Margaret Thatcher.

I think the novelty of a female PM is now long past however and there were Women candidates in the last leadership election for leader who failed again.
They will get there one day but to me it's irrelevant, just who can do the job is what matters.

Labour has however been temporarily led by 2 Women over 3 occasions, Margaret Beckett after John Smith died until Tony Blair was elected,and Harriett Harman twice, between Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband and then between Miliband and Corbyn too.

Mind you if this is the best 2 Women for the top job this time round then the parties are in a pretty poor position.

just endured another pitiful politically correct bbc news episode when they taught us almost nothing about these 2 candidates but repeeated the fact they are 2 women 9 times in the same report, absolutely mind numbingly pathetic. are we going to grill these 2 and every facet of their beings, their beliefs careers intelligence, character and potential like male candidates, i sincerely hope so. in reality most people who criticize will at some stage simply be called sexist and their flaws will be ignored

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

just endured another pitiful politically correct bbc news episode when they taught us almost nothing about these 2 candidates but repeeated the fact they are 2 women 9 times in the same report, absolutely mind numbingly pathetic. are we going to grill these 2 and every facet of their beings, their beliefs careers intelligence, character and potential like male candidates, i sincerely hope so. in reality most people who criticize will at some stage simply be called sexist and their flaws will be ignored

Exactly, I agree with you on that.
They will likely get much easier ride and likely far less intrusion as to those connected to them,unlike what a male candidate would be going through.

I agree with you it is not sexist at all to disapprove of choices just because they are female, I further agree it would be seen as that however.

I still state and believe that to me, these are 2 of the worst possible candidates there could be,not because they are women but that their uncompromising attitudes,their ideas and policies stink to high heaven.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Exactly, I agree with you on that.
They will likely get much easier ride and likely far less intrusion as to those connected to them,unlike what a male candidate would be going through.

I agree with you it is not sexist at all to disapprove of choices just because they are female, I further agree it would be seen as that however.

I still state and believe that to me, these are 2 of the worst possible candidates there could be,not because they are women but that their uncompromising attitudes,their ideas and policies stink to high heaven.

one is a hedge fund manager with a career of tax avoidance and dont even get me started on teresa may, some of her statements and decision making made donald trump look like a teddy bear. her public service slashes were utterly ruthless too

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

one is a hedge fund manager with a career of tax avoidance and dont even get me started on teresa may, some of her statements and decision making made donald trump look like a teddy bear. her public service slashes were utterly ruthless too

No disagreement from me with you there 'the truth'.

[bots]

I think if Theresa wins it, it will be like the 2nd coming of Maggie. Should be entertaining, but I do think she will be a strong negotiator, which is exactly what we need over the next few years. There is always the time in history for a particular type of person, even when they wouldn't be considered at any other time.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No disagreement from me with you there 'the truth'.

Will you and The Truth get a room Joey?

(Just joking Truth.)

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Will you and The Truth get a room Joey?

(Just joking Truth.)

lol our current bromance is purely platonic , but we're bound to find something else to disagree over soon

[arista]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Labour's never had a female party leader in its 116 years. It's a disgrace.

Yes they are to busy fighting each other
Old Labour Vs New Blair Labour

[the truth]

2 women leaders and no positive discrimination in sight, new labour are you listening, all discrimination is discrimination, choose your leaders on merit, its a democracy

[Scarlett.]

Let's not forget the current candidates are only in the running because everyone else has resigned.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Let's not forget the current candidates are only in the running because everyone else has resigned.

prime ministers always resign in the end, i dont see your point tbh

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by the truth

prime ministers always resign in the end, i dont see your point tbh

1 year into their term? Then there is Boris. Let's not make this out to be a move decided by forward thinking Tories. A second female PM is great, just a shame they're both quite right wing.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

1 year into their term? Then there is Boris. Let's not make this out to be a move decided by forward thinking Tories. A second female PM is great, just a shame they're both quite right wing.

Yes I understand your fear.


BBC1HD QT last night was great
Nice everyone on the panel
accepted we are Out.

Of course much TIME was wasted on Blair
BBC should be more flexible and give the them a xtra30mins
for Brexit questions
Sky updates the planner
virgin does not.

I mean Feck me the BBC Tennis fecks up everything
Flexible on that - the Feckers are
the One Show on BBC2 - is Fecking stupid

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Will you and The Truth get a room Joey?

(Just joking Truth.)

Whenever I agree with anyone I will say so, it is only personal insults I do not like or see the need for.

Actually for a fair while on here he and I agreed on lots of issues across the board and I am always glad when we can agree now on a range of issues.
This issue particularly.
We both will likely never support the same party,that still doesn't mean there is not more that probably unites than divides.
I always look for that, even with yourself and in truth, there are probably only about 3 on here that I would disagree with all the time now.
None of them being you or 'the truth'.

[Kazanne]

Doesn't that Leadsom woman want to bring back foxhunting ? well she can feck right off

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Doesn't that Leadsom woman want to bring back foxhunting ? well she can feck right off

Yes she does, very much in favour of it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes she does, very much in favour of it.

I know it's all about much more than foxhunting Joey but if they bring that back I will be done with them.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I know it's all about much more than foxhunting Joey but if they bring that back I will be done with them.

What I don't like about Leadsom is she is hiding what she really thinks in my view.
I watched her closely in interviews and she smiles often when ,making a serious or controversial point.
I have found that is often a trait in someone lying and deceiving.

The smile hiding more sinister thinking, so she's not for me I'm afraid, no matter what party she was from, to me she is as false as false can be.

Obviously as I have said on another thread, I abhor foxhunting with hounds so for me that's just another reason to be wary of her.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

What I don't like about Leadsom is she is hiding what she really thinks in my view.
I watched her closely in interviews and she smiles often when ,making a serious or controversial point.
I have found that is often a trait in someone lying and deceiving.

The smile hiding more sinister thinking, so she's not for me I'm afraid, no matter what party she was from, to me she is as false as false can be.

Obviously as I have said on another thread, I abhor foxhunting with hounds so for me that's just another reason to be wary of her.

I agree Joey,I don't know much about her but did catch the foxhunting thing yesterday,so that was enough for me,I still wish Cameron was in charge but it's not to be,they need to give themselves a good sort out as do Labour,we seem in turmoil at the moment.