Do you believe Islam is peaceful?
 

Well...do you?

Region is the cause for so so many wars through out history so I don't believe religion as a whole is peaceful
It just so happens that we are living in a time where a small percentage of Muslims are the bad ones

And the way a lot of people interprete the quaran isn't very peaceful either

Blaming religion is simplistic drivel. The world has always been at war.

Generally yes. Religion (to me anyway) just gives hope to many, and hope is never a bad thing. I am not religious in the slightest and think its all fairy stories, but if it makes large numbers of people happy and feel safe, who am I to judge?

I do not believe a minority of people using Islam as an excuse to do terrible things are representative of the religion itself, same as I don't blame all Catholics for the actions of the IRA and such.

These nutjobs will always do terrible things and find someone/something to blame it on.

Yes

It's reductive for someone to see how Islam is portrayed in the media and not recognise that extremists are a minority bunch of crazies who do not reflect the core virtues of Islam anyway? As Vicky said the IRA did not give Catholics a reputation of trigger happy bombers so why should normal muslims with IS and the like?

This

And the KKK do not represent Christianity!

It's no more or less violent than any other religion. The Bible has plenty of passages that preach violence yet we don't demonise it since we know that people pick and choose parts of the Bible to pay attention to. Same goes for the Quran.

Terrorist organisations only use Islam as a method of control and recruitment. When it comes down to it, IS is as much as an islamic group as Britain First.

I confess I chose the cop out option only because I really don't know enough about Islam to draw any reasonable conclusions.

Briefly speaking on the subject, I think Christianity is meant to teach about peaceful coexistent but then it has been used to justify horrible acts and wars such as Islam has been.

I'd like to believe that Islam is a peaceful religion as well, although, I have heard from various others that quotes may exist in the Quran that may indicate the latter (an eye for an eye is the example I recall the most), but then I also feel that the bible opened up many doors in it's own texts to empowering hate groups towards various segments of the population throughout history.

At the end of the day though I feel that many texts, philosophy, policy or law could be twisted or radicalized to achieve dishonorable goals.

So I guess ultimately my thought is probably yes, but I voted don't know because it felt the most correct and that to vote yes would be like saying I'm educated on the matter when I most definitely am not.

This. Religions aren't violent, people are.

Islam is a newer religion but its more concerned with the quran and the old testament that the the the revelations in the enlightened new testament. New testament is more revolutionary , with its turn the other cheek, repentance, forgiveness, redemption, do not rush to judge others. Im a new testament type of person, less harsh I believe in the concepts of redemption, repentance, forgiveness etc Though its vital to remember to earn penance and forgiveness one must first repent and stop sinning. I suggest the Mission is a good movie to understand this concept. Some worship Jesus, some dont. Whether he was who he claimed to be or whether he was a fiction, the man represented a lot of great ideals and beliefs that I am and billions of others choose to follow. As far as Im concerned his influence on the world is profoundly good. The fact there are many who would pervert his words and deeds for their own ends, is not a reflection of Jesus but on those evil doers. In the hands of the wrong people it can be dangerous and we must always be vigilant of this.

Its not Religion, most Religions promote peace. Its some people who use Religion as an excuse for for doing bad things.

^^^This

true. people forget the billions of funds raised by Christianity especially. the feed the starving, the worldwide missionary work that helps 100s of millions.

no, its an unreformed vile superstition and we should eradicate every part of it from this country.

It has plenty of interpretation, like all book based cults, to create death


Ultimately if you believe that there is someone greater than the law who is in charge you can justify anything and just say "well alan told me to do it"

Peaceful?

er just look at the evidence

Yes many are peaceful
but the few that are Extreme
hide within them

This for me too, well stated.

wrong Dezzy

Isis cut the head off
from the British hostage
shown online.


Dezzy you are so wrong

during both world wars most germans were peaceful..

Except the Gas Rooms
WW2 Evil Germans sent
the Jews were sent to have a shower -- naked

I think 10% of Islam is violent and 90% hide their complacency with protestations of peace.

Ninastar introduced me to Brigitte Gabriel and she's posted this clip before, but it's really worth posting it again.

there is simply no way we can ignore the fact there is a serious problem within Islam, to use political correctness to brush it off as a tiny minority is extremely dangerous....34000 innocents were killed last year by radical jihadists last year, that figure is rising. even if its just 10% thats still 120 million radicals. donald trumps suggestions are way over the top, but on the other hand angela merkels strategy is just as insane and dangerous at the other end of the spectrum

How can any religion be peaceful when its aims are to convert 'heathens' to it. If it were peaceful, it would have no designs on expansionism.

While it can be said that the majority in a religion are peaceful, that means squat when that religion encompasses millions of people, because the simple fact is, many, many followers of that religion want to convert the heathens by any means, and their religion having expansionist aims freely condones that behaviour.

In this day and age it is ridiculous that any religion should be allowed to freely practice conversion. Remove that from them, and nutters have no longer any pretext to attach violence to religion.

imo the IRA is not comparable here when you're talking about using Religion as a war tool. This was not why the IRA was formed, the IRA was formed because Ireland was taken over by Britain and then split in two and the IRA were fighting for the country back, not because they were trying to convert anyone to Catholicism or were doing it in the name of Catholicism, it really annoys me when British people try to pass it off as some sort of religious war. Yes most of the "Republicans" in the North are/were Catholics but that's just because Catholicism was the predominant Irish religion. There were actually Protestant members of the IRA too.

I'm not defending the IRA here btw especially in later years there was no going back but I hate the fact that alot of times British people are under the impression that the North was some sort of Religious war where the Catholics are trying to convert the Protestants or something when in Reality it was always a fight for our country back that you lot started by the way by invading us and beating our language out of us, etc etc

If it weren't for the IRA or the earlier version of it the whole of Ireland would still be part of Britain

Just ask any muslim child what the penalty for Apostasy is


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I agree with this. While I abhor what the IRA did, I don't think there's a right-thinking British person who doesn't acknowledge that they had a point. My father served in the British Army in Northern Ireland and he thinks their cause was a good one... but they chose violence and death. If they'd chosen a method other than packing pipes with nails and ball-bearings and blowing the arms and legs off of civilians to get what they wanted they'd have had more backing on the mainland. And then there's the whole problem of what to do with the Protestants in NI who want to remain British... But they are not comparable to IS and Al Qaeda or any of the various lunatic Islamic terror groups.

Ughh this is so complicated for me because in general the answer is no.

But its obvious there is a problem arising and we need to do something about it. Yes 'ISIS' arent 'true muslims' but we cannot deny that this is what they claim to be and they are acting on what they believe makes them a 'true muslim'...

What I don't like about Islam, is the way how they (and yes, other religions too) treat women. I just don't think I'll ever understand how its okay for a woman to wear something that completely covers her whole entire body in (sometimes) 40+ degree heat. I don't think its right at all. I know women have the choice to wear it, but tbh, I feel like there is a lot of pressure for women to wear it.

I love headscarves, I love the shawls and the dresses etc that a lot of women wear, I think they are absolutely beautiful. But when you have to walk 3 steps behind your man and you can only show your eyes in public... now that upsets me and it really annoys me too.

I remember going to Disneyworld in Florida (it was only about 30 degrees then, but still) and I saw a muslim family where there was one teenage girl and her two younger brothers. She had the full outfit on, whilst her brothers were running around in shorts and and a t-shirt...

I understand that a lot of muslims think that our women don't wear enough clothes (I dont blame them tbh) but to go to that extreme just makes me feel a bit sick.

Yes, I know other religions treat women like crap too, but this one seems to take the lead.

I hope that makes sense anyway. I'm so not the best with words (as you all know) but I'm honest with my words and thats all i care about really

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mmm There was of course violence from both sides

Yes there was violence on both sides. But the IRA and the UDA didn't mind setting bombs in shopping centres and pubs etc, that's the difference. They didn't mind blowing up a Remembrance Day parade of veterans. Bloody Sunday aside, I don't think the Army did much blowing up of civilians.

The army sure did kill alot of civilians in Southern Ireland though before we got it back

Going back hundreds of years, yes... 800 years of the Fecking English and all that. I'm talking about since the Troubles. Since people became actually aware of what's going on in the world through mass media.

That gets forgotten conveniently

You don't have to go back hundreds of years, we remember the fallen of the First World War, but not of 1916 ? :think:

I'm not talking about 800 years ago, I'm talking about the 1920's, where is the line drawn here?

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an Inconvenient history

Well, I was drawing the line from The Troubles. I can see I'm stirring up something here so I'm out.

It was Tony Blair who sorted out Ireland finally so i think we best forget the whole thing really


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You do? When a lot of those WW1 Irish soldiers returned to Ireland they were shunned, even buy their families, for siding with the British... if you want to talk about inconvenient truths.

I have always thought what happened in 1916 was a bloody travesty for the Irish people, and a shameful episode in British history, but it seems that be even talking about this is upsetting you and Niamh so... that's me done.