Heidi Allen - Theresa May will be gone in 6 months
 

She certainly wont fight the next election, the tories don't accept failure

Mind you if she sidesteps does that mean essentially we could have an unelected Bojo for the next 5yrs?... :/

Good riddance! Byyyyeeee!:wavey:

The way she conducted herself through this whole debacle (that SHE, against all the rules of common sense, initiated!) was absolutely shameful and an insult to the Great British public!

I actually think we should rename this section of the Forum as ''The Jeremy Corbyn Serious News & Debate Suite'' in honor of his truly fantastic performance against all the odds and nefarious slander. Other Party 'leaders' need to take notes on how it's done.:clap1:

Has there been any word on the blatant hypocrisy?...

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/09/...rorists-video/

Yet another U turn, not a word will be said about this because they are English terrorists who never got any condemnation in the British press, they were only killing Irish Catholics so no need to report that

May's alliance now is out of neccesity. Corbyn's alliance is through choice and has been going on for years, decades. If you can't see the difference?

Thanks for that link Kizzy. A lot of media outlets have egg on their face.

Not least the Canary.

Here’s an extract from May’s speech in front of Number 10: (pointed out by Simon Cohen is a British social commentator)

"Cracking down on the ideology of Islamist extremism and all those who support it and giving the police and the authorities the powers they need to keep our country safe.

The government I lead will put fairness and opportunity at the heart of everything we do so that we will fulfil the promise of Brexit together, and over the next five years build a country in which no one and no community is left behind, a country in which prosperity and opportunity are shared across this United Kingdom."

Notice anything?

She also uses this phrase: "build a country in which no one and no community is left behind"

This is EXACTLY the wording Corbyn has been using over the last two years



Are the right wing political press going to point this out?

I would say ballony if you tried to tell me Corbyn has never uttered a phrase that May has. So if Corbyn has said something no-one else can. :shrug:

What's the Canary :shrug:

I see her as a bit of a necessary evil at the moment - unless some random backbencher or minor Cabinet member comes from the woodwork, there's just no suitable alternative right now.

All PMs are unelected. They represent the largest party, the UK doesn't vote for the Prime Minister :)

I actually think the Cons may not think of looking to Buffoon Boris really.

He bottled the challenge last year and in a really humiliating way, stabbed by Gove,yet Boris threw the towel in.

He looks on paper as much a liability as Mrs May has proved to be.
The first overall majority won by the Cons since 1992,nearly a quarter of a century.
Blown out and lost by her really shocking judgement and leadership, just 2 years later.

Having the Cons going from being a majority govt to have to near plead for full regular support from the DUP,of all Parties.

Johnson may be a charismatic stronger cabinet Minister but could prove another liability like Mrs May, in the real top job.

Of course the Tories will oust her. The election has made her incompetence even clearer and the Conservative party are ruthless. I feel rather sorry for her in a way as she was kind of shoehorned into a role that she was not ready for and might not have even really wanted and now shes floundering around getting worse and worse. All whilst repeating 'strong and stable' though of course.

However, I doubt anyone wants to step up and take over the Brexit thing. Even though apparently its David Davis actually doing the Brexit negotiations as Brexit secretary. But May is the face of it. And May will be blamed when it all goes tits up. THEN she will be replaced, once its all done with so she can be forever blamed for it.

Though everyone seems to forget it was Cameron who started this all. He really is getting away with it :laugh:

Tell you what, I actually thought Boris might be a good asset for the Tories. After having seen him run like **** from reality, when he had a chance to lead, I see him now as a little coward who is more about image than anything else.

Not forgetting Corbyn's alliance was whilst his friends were bombing innocent men, women and children in both Northern Ireland and mainland Britain.
The DUP are legitimate members of the U.K. Parliament, as of course are Sinn Fein if they ever decide to take up their seats in parliament.

Didn't Cameron have to call a referendam though as Farage had wanted a vote on it? Cameron wanted to remain so when the result was to leave he would have been a hypocrite to stay surely.:shrug:

Yep, he stuck to his promise and gave us the referendum, I doubt he thought that it would be a vote to leave, he had no option but to leave as it would have gone against the grain too much for him.
Plus he was already intending not to do the full term, so early retirement for him.:joker:
I don't think Theresa May will be able to stay much longer, she called the election and it backfired on her, heaven only knows who will come forward for the job.
Please don't let it be BOJO.:joker:

Cameron only gave a referendum as he was scared UKIP would nick Tory votes. I bet he regrets it with how it turned out. Yet again breathtaking arrogance that the vote would go his way :S I guess it would be quite hypocritical to stay (just as hypocritical as May taking the job tbh when she wanted to stay too) but at the same time, he should have had a plan for if we voted leave. That was the problem. They all thought they would get a stay vote so it would shut everyone up as the vote had been done, but nothing would actually change. If you give a vote to the people, you need to be prepared for all possible outcomes surely...especially for something as big as that!


On a separate note
I hear on the news today that 2 of Theresa Mays cabinet are getting the blame for the poor election campaign and have resigned.

She's a total laughing stock. To lose your parliamentary majority in an election you promised wouldn't be called against an opposition you expected and hoped to sink into oblivion is so embarrassing it is beyond all comprehension. And it couldn't have happened to a nastier woman.

As some commentators were remarking on election night, this is twice now that the Self Servatives have put their own party's vanity before the interests of the country. Cameron gambled on the EU referendum and lost. May gambled on an early election and lost. Are they a political party or a casino? The fact that they're now in effect forming a coalition of chaos with terrorist sympathising bigots is a display of hysterical irony that I'm revelling in. This reprehensible party has once again been exposed for the power thirsty cretins they are, with its leader squatting in number 10 and only offering condolences to the ministers and MPs who lost their seats when pressed to in an interview. This despicable, arrogant cunt wasted £100m of public money in an election that didn't need to be called, and one she couldn't lose, and now her attempt at securing a 'strong and stable' government has left this country in limbo and chaos as we embark upon the most important negotiations in modern British political history. And she has the gall to stand outside number ten and use the threat of Islamic fundamentalism to ingratiate herself with the electorate. She and her disgusting party make me physically ****ing repulsed.

The election was all about her, I did notice that. As if she was a one man band or something. I don't think I heard the party mentioned at all. Especially when she was on about Brexit. She kept putting the 'funny' image of Corbyn at negotiations in peoples heads. But never seemed to mention that its actually Davis who will be doing negotiations and such as Brexit secretary. Nor that it would be (IMO the very very capable|) Keir Starmer if Labour were 'in'

I am sure most of the party aren't happy with her. I do expect to see more resignations in the coming days tbh.

Only yours.

Corbyn is well known in N Ireland as an IRA sympathiser.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...IRA-links.html

Do you condemn his links to terrorism? His IRA buddies with links to Sinn Fein including their leader McGuiness killed and maimed thousands of innocent people, including women and children.
Much as I dislike the DUP, they are nothing compared to Sinn Fein and their buddies the murderous IRA.

Educate yourself before you pontificate about a country you haven't lived in all your life like I have. Perhaps if you had friends killed by the IRA you wouldn't think Corbyn such a great guy. That great guy spoke at rallies every year commemorating the loss of IRA killers. He makes me sick.

What about David Davies?

OK I am still reading up about Irish Politics. But am watching an argument between some Irish friends about Sin Fein and the DUP and I am seeing..


Seems to...depend on which side of the coin you are on?

Good to see it from somebody who lives there and actually witnessed it Jet.
People only see what they want to and skip over the other stuff, or pass it off as fake news or whatever the buzzword of the day is.

How about you educating yourself? The topic about Corbyn and his supposed or not relationship with Sinn Fein has been talked about and argued about on here to tedious levels. Enough government links have been added and supplied to this site. (you need to go and find them yourself now if you really do want to be educated about this) to prove your accusations are 100% incorrect.

I'll say it one more time but the rest is up to you to research; if it wasn't for people like Corbyn, Mo Mowlam and others, (under government instruction) having peace negotiations with Sinn Fein; Good Friday wouldn't of happened and the IRA would probably still be bombing the UK

David Davis is a possibility. I would have liked Amber to get the job, but her seat majority is to small, it would be too risky.

Whoever it is, i think it needs to be someone who voted to leave the EU. It also needs to be someone more willing to listen to consensus.

Oh dear, so you are still saying that what you believe is true, and anyone else who dares to acknowledge the truth of the matter is uneducated.
You couldn't make it up.
Corbyn not only had NOTHING to do with the peace talks but he actually was against the original ones.
To mention Corbyn and Mo Molam in the same sentence is ludicrous.

Erm. is it right that this whole thing could possibly breach the Good Friday Agreement? :/

A hard Brexit and removing Britain from the European Convention on Human Rights would almost certainly destroy the Good Friday Agreement.

Another passionately angry blog that needs repeating here, just in case someone missed it.

Well said Jack

For a lot of people it does depend on which side of the coin you are on...and therefore a lot of lies/misconceptions are put out there to influence those who haven't lived through it all.
I was born a N.Irish Catholic and I support neither party - Sinn Fein nor DUP. I don't practice my religion. I am on nobody's 'side'. I tell the truth.

The DUP to my knowledge have had no murderers or terrorists among them. Not that I've ever heard of anyway. The loyalist paramilitaries support the party for obvious reasons - they want to stay part of the UK and retain their identity and culture as such.
Sinn Fein's own late leader, Martin McGuiness, was Chief of Staff of the IRA at the time 18 British soldiers were killed in Warrenpoint, NI and Mountbatten was assassinated, among many other atrocities. Many Sinn Fein members were IRA related - I'm not sure if this is still the case today.

The Troubles started because the Catholic community felt they didn't have equal rights to Protestants. This was true in some cases when it came to housing and jobs but that was more a social problem than a political one because Catholics had much larger families. Many Catholics didn't want to be ruled over by the British and wanted to identify with the Irish Republic. It's all much more complicated than that but that's the gist of it.

Who was worse, the IRA or the Loyalist Paramilitaries?

To me, the IRA, hands down.

They used bombs to target and kill thousands of innocent people in restaurants, bars, clubs, shops, fun run days out - it didn't matter that innocent woman and children were killed and maimed. Protestant OR Catholic.
Including dear Catholic friends of mine.

The Loyalist Para's? They did a few bombings but mostly targeted Catholics in isolation, many of them just because they happened to be Catholic. Shooting and vicious beatings were their preferred methods.

If it wasn't for the IRA, there would have been no Paramilitaries.

I lived in a Catholic area and have never had a problem from anyone of either religion. I had and still have Protestant friends. If you want trouble, it will find you anywhere.

Hmmmm, I could see him as a leader.
Mind you, you would need at least three hours for PM questions.:laugh:

I don't read angry blogs as its just that person spouting their hate,give me a sensible truthful post that will do ,like Jets message 34:wavey:

A hell of a lot of Irish people seem angry that people in the rest of the UK don't know anything/much about either party...

I am staying out of it all as as I said, I don't know enough about Irish Politics (seems really complicated...and apparently peace is shaky to start with without Westminster backing one side over another?) but its really fascinating to watch. People on both sides seem so passionate and both sides seem to think the others were horrendous. Its very very different to the politics I know. I am trying to learn by watching others..but my heads getting a bit messed up :S

I don't remember anything about the IRA..either I am too young or I was totally shielded from it, or it didn't affect my area (didn't really watch news when younger either..however apparently 'loyalist' bombing went completely ignored in the UK media which has angered another of my friends...) but my mother claims I was nearly caught up in one of their bombings. In the metrocentre. But they phoned a warning in or something/. All seems a bit weird, if your plan is to just kill people, why warn?!

Sorry if I come across as insensitive on the subject. But I genuinely do want to learn :S

You mean like the Tories hate for the disabled, foxes, the poor...dare I go on?

Nothing I said is false. Please get me back to be when you can prove it is, and in the meantime quit making indirect jibes. Thanks

There is a list on Wikipedia giving details of all the bombings.
Not a pleasant read.:bawling:

It could Vicky.

Re living the past Irish problems helps no one.
The atrocities were awful and unacceptable but unionists whipped up hatred just as much as nationalists did.

We should have moved on by now,with the power sharing peace process and the IRA at long last halting their grossly wrong bombing campaign.

However,Sinn Féin and the Unionists have worked together for heading on near 2 decades now and all should be grateful for that.
Rightly or wrongly, people felt support for the IRA position,minus the killings of course.
While others supported the Unionists cause too, even to the orange order,celebrating yearly the defeat of Catholic causes over 300,yes 300 years earlier, by orange marches parading down Catholic resident areas taunting and baiting.
They still do when they can and have grievances with the parades commission as to no go Catholic areas for such marches.

So if the DUP start to expect favours from the Cons for keeping them in govt or are suspected of getting any special concessions in any way, this could threaten the not taking sides of UK govts as to N Ireland and cause major issues with the hard-earned peace process of over 15 years ago.
It could.

That is why having the DUP officially on board in any capacity as to being tied to the UK govt,is a real risk to stability.
Sinn Féinn have already personal issues with the DUP leader at Stormont anyway.
So the power sharing is having difficulty at present with no agreement for the way forward.

As for Martin Mcguinness,he was deputy first Minister, he worked with the peace process and even worked with Ian Paisley.
His past is chequered of course but his contribution to the peace process,like or detest him,is fact.
Acknowledged by Labour,Conservative govts alike.