JK Rowling trying to blame Farage for radicalising right-wing extremists.
 

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...wlings-radica/

What a load of bu****it. I'd say it has far more to do with them reacting to Muslim extremism. Morons trying to fight fire with fire.

Trying to ignore the obvious to try to make a cheap political point is weak and more in keeping with idiots such as Ms Allen. Mistakenly I thought Rowling was better than that.

Yep, she's bang on.. him and hopkins have a lot to answer for.

Corbyn is more extreme than Farage and a lot less honest. An extreme is an extreme, left or right, and if you get down and dirty with the worst of them, whether through actions or support, you deserve the flack coming your way.

this dreadful woman is so bored now her star had faded all she can do is a lilly allen lite act?

her nasty prejudice is a sight to see

Nigel destroyed her last night on LBC :joker:

Obviously people arent born with an irrational desire to kill the innocent. Theyre brainwashed by people or organisations that they respect. I dont think Rowling can blame individuals, but yes in essense she is correct.

If ISIS is responsible for Islamic terrorists, who or what is responsible for right wing terrorism. Could be Farage, Hopkins, or the Daily Mail, could be the EDL or Britain Frist, could also be a close family member, friend or colleague.

Not sure if we'll ever know for sure, but the man, like all terrorists, is thick, and believed in the hatred that surrounded him. People or organisations that encourage hatred of any group need to be banned, or this will continue. Doesnt matter where they are or who they are, and I dont think Rowling naming individuals is helpful.. but it promoted conversation on the topic, which is a bloody good start.

I think Rowling has crossed the line there. Nigel is a lot of things but he is not responsible in any way shape or form for that chaps actions yesterday. He has never suggested any form of violence toward muslims or any immigrants at any time. Really not good

There's no evidence for it so she should pipe down.

She has a point, Hopkins and Farage have both profited from promoting the whole 'us and them' angle to simpletons and I definitely believe their actions can and will inspire violence. They promote the idea of fighting fire with fire, extremism with extremism and the easily led will buy into it.

angle to simpletons

your disgusting disdain to anyone who does not share your pov is a stain on this forum

Why do people always want to blame anyone but the people who do these things,it's madness:shrug:

That's nice, dear.

Would you not hold ISIS at least partially responsible for an Islamic terrorist attack? I think thats the (accurate) parallel she was trying to draw.

enjoy your imaginary infraction. reported for BAITING to member



pathetic

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Okay.

Get real, Muslim extremists are the ones promoting violence through example, after example, after example.....

The real simpletons are the ones that scream 'it isn't their fault they are just angry at the world - it the West's fault for giving them better lives and for daring to have some expectations that they assimilate into society'. Yeah, yeah....

okay i hope (not you) but other members see it for what it is........................

Except no one is saying that? Don't attribute quotes and attitudes to people that you have dreamt up and decided is fact.

Make arguments against opinions that actually exist, not ones you've dreamt up.

Yeah.

No dreaming going on here.

Well yes, you certainly are since you are trying to make out that me or other people on this website have said anything similar to this 'it isn't their fault they are just angry at the world - it the West's fault for giving them better lives and for daring to have some expectations that they assimilate into society'.

This just isn't true, I've not seen anyone on this website hold an opinion similar to this one. Once again, you are arguing with what you WANT people to have said instead of arguing against what they ACTUALLY said.

Those exact words may not have been used but the meaning was obvious. Many of the left try to blame the West for the actions of Islamic extremists instead of the actual extremists for their terrorist acts - when anyone with a brain knows what a load of boohoolocks that is - the only ones to blame are them.

Yes, I agree,it causes unnecessary friction.

i rest my case

Let's examine a recent quote from hopkins in yesterdays mail

'Way up on the moral high ground, Brendan Cox, high priest of the hopers'

This is a man whos wife was gunned down in broad daylight by a right wing terrorist extremist... What possible reason could there be for her mockery on the 1st anniversary of his wifes death?
It is significant because he is the antithesis of her.

This is why along with her 'final solution' and 'western men rise up' comments what she says and who gives her a platform is so instrumental in incitement and public dischord.
I'm glad high profile people are sharing these views with their 1000s of followers it may awaken more to what is going on.

I have said before I feel hopkins role was to sway public opinion from any sympathy with refugees she was highly successful there, as was farage in his efforts scaremongering in relation to immigrants during the brexit campaign.

They were in my opinion state sponsored inciters of racial hatred.

I'm not her biggest fan when it comes to what she says away from the HO franchise but she's definitely got a point here.

When will people get it - skin colour/race isn't the real issue - it's culture and mindsets. No-one is going to convince me or most others in the Modern world that the backward treatment of women by certain cultures and religions is right or excusable because that is what a section of society here practice.

We are turning a blind eye and thus assisting the wholescale abuse of a section of society in our midst as well as betraying our own values.

No one is ever going to convince most that we should accept these behaviours in Britain to appease and pacify religious ideology so those terribly PC fools can feel good about themselves and how accepting of differences they are. Differences are not the issue - abuse and true segregation are.

what a vile pig
to even suggest such a thing is horrific
farage has never said a damned thing about condoning violence whatsoever
this is the very worst kind fo slander and he should take legal action
its as stupid him saying harry potter books are responsible for any crime in teenagers
no doubt this luvvie wouldnt dare accuse fellow novelists, or screenwriters or film directors of causing murder with their endless violence films
vile vile dangerous egotistic overrated hypocrite

How is any of this relevant to my post, is Brendan Cox included in your PC fools?

Erm.... she said nothing of the sort.

Yes, reacting to Muslim extremism, with extremism of their own. She wasn't saying he was to blame for it, she was calling him out for not spouting off about it like he does when it's ethnic minorities or "foreigners" doing it. That's quite bloody obvious what her point was.

It isnt culture at all. As if its the culture of white right wingers to run down innocent Muslims. Its individual mindsets. Always has been, always will be. And thats why its dangerous to lump everyone as one single group.
This guy is not reflective of white culture, of right wing culture, of male culture etc etc. In the same way an Islamic extremist is not reflective of Islamic culture. I mean jheeze, how many more incidents before people learn.

When you go on one of your rants about state sponsored terrorism and racism - it tends to illicit a similar response from me - the alternative is a rant induced coma.

Brendan Cox is one of many in this Country who have lost loved ones due to terrorism but you seem somewhat more preoccupied with the victim of a white terrorist.

pc whitewash ...there is an inherent problem within islam that has seen 10,000s becoming radicalised across the world....to say its not all muslims is stating the bleeding the obvious we all know that, but to go that liberal step further and say its not a problem within islam is complete and utter deluded dangerous nonsense.

So this has been called a 'revenge attack'.So the question is would this guy have run those people outside the mosque over if there was no islamic extremism?I don't know.I don't know what goes on in the head of someone like that.However if the answer is no then surely the islamic extremists themselves played a huge role in indoctrinating this guy.
I've never heard farage opening the floodgates for any 'revenge attacks' and to be honest anyone who would take advice from Katie Hopkins is not all there to begin with.Not that i know the rubbish she spouts.

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You'd think it would be a simple enough thing to grasp.

My point was that terrorism is as much of a problem within Islam as terrorism is a problem within right wingedness in the West.
Should we lump everybody from both groups in to one because of a few select people? No.
Is that political correctness? No, its just correctness.
Do I have a solution short of attemptig to ban right wing media and ISIS spouting hatred? unfortunately, no. Do you?

How does that work?

Say you murdered my mother, and I murdered you in revenge.

Are you to blame for me becoming a murderer or are we both guilty of the same crime?

Well this is either you straight up lying or you (once again) completely misunderstanding what's been said and rewriting things to suit your agenda.

I have seen people say that the west is partly responsible for the state of the Middle East and I agree with that assessment. We helped create a power vacuum that gave rise to organisations like ISIS. That's pretty much a fact at this point but nobody on this website has ever tried to vindicate a terrorist from blame (although certain people have gone out of their way to deny that terrorists are terrorists because they happened to be white) and tried to place it anyone else's door. If you are going to maintain that it's the truth then you are straight up lying.

If you disagree with someone's opinion then you argue against what they have actually said, you don't make up falsehoods to paint them as terrorist sympathisers to silence opinions you dislike.

I think that's a bit of a stretch, particularly regarding islam extremists across the world, there really isn't any comparison in numbers

I mean the numbers of Muslims around the globe far exceed the numbers of right wing people in the West, so its not that much of a stretch. Perhaps ult-right would have been more accurate though... although I'd imagine terrorism within an ult-right group on average would surpass an Islamic group on average - you get the point though, lets mot be pedantic!

I'm not saying this guy isn't guilty.Of course he is.No normal person would even contemplate something like that but it seems as though he was reacting to previous attacks in his own warped way.It's been described as a 'revenge attack'.Hate breeds more hate.