EU willing to compromise on free movement
 

http://news.sky.com/story/eu-leaders...blair-10949255

Interesting development as long as it would be a reasonable compromise.

Thoughts!

Thoughts are, Mr. Blair doesn't want us out of Europe, we all know his 'truth' and facts.
I for one never voted for Brexit simply to stop free movement, David Cameron couldn't get enough compromise when he tried, so we had a referendum, lets ruddy stick to it.
We want to rule ourselves and not be accountable to the EU or be dictated to by them.

Tend to agree with that. Just thinking that as is was such a big issue in the referendum I wondered how many would see it as a viable compromise.

No
BLAIR is History he can FECK OFF

Can't stand Blair myself Arista - and don't want want him anywhere near future politics. But interested whether people would be up for EU compromise on migration numbers.

the eu are soooo desperate to keep us...we must not falter now. the eu is a disaster and they are totally corrupt wasteful corporate lackeys who destroy small businesses and sovereignty

EU said NO


Corbyn does not want Blair involved
Amazing now, though Blair backs Corbyn.


Blair is not in Power
has NO Authority
thats the point

Yes
thats we are Out by 2019 March
both Corbyn Labour and Conservative agree

Blair has NO Authority
just TV/Radio interviews
whenever he says

Your knowledge regarding the EU is almost up to par with your knowledge of Politics and Law.:laugh:

Brexit will destroy the economy (amongst other things) of the UK. Our economy isn't in a great state as it is but this will be nothing compared to the economic crash we'll experience once we're properly out of the EU, especially if Theresa May survives long enough to be at the helm through the 'negotitations'. If it goes anything like her 'guaranteed landslide' Election victory that she ballsed right up recently then Britain is doomed.

Hopefully the powers that be will see sense and stop the madness before it's too late.

"Brexit will destroy the economy (amongst other things) of the UK."

NO JTM
it will transform our Economy
whoever is on power 2022.



AsdaWalmart
will import USA VEG
cheaper than the new tax EU ones.


M&S
will use Israel Veg



FECK , FECK EU

You do realize that it will cost us BILLIONS just to leave the EU right Arista ?

And then there's the many billions in subsidies and grants that we receive from the EU every year that we won't any more and the all Banks and Businesses/Companies that have left the UK in fear of the negative impact of Brexit and many more that will follow suit once we actually leave.

We'll be at far greater risk from terrorism too and crime as we will no longer have the same close links with Police Forces throughout Europe.

Those obsessed with 'Immigration' and closing our borders are gonna' be sorely dissappointed too because this just won't happen but for the many British people who like to come and go as they like and emigrate to Spain, France and Italy (amonst other European Countries) things will be far more difficult.

We stand to gain so little and lose so very, very much. It's going to be an absolute disaster for this country in so many ways!

"You do realize that it will cost us BILLIONS just to leave the EU right Arista ?"


You Are Aware that we can walk out
No Deal - no money paid.


There are many options
lets see what happens by 2019 March


I can handle a Walk Out
I love AsdaWalmart & M&S
And I trade with China and USA.

Feel The Force

There's a lot of ''I'' in there. You should be thinking about the ''we'' as in the British people, the elderly, the poorest people. You know Asda and M&S aren't the most affordable places to shop.

'No Deal' really isn't a viable option at all under any circumstance and any political party knows that walking away without a deal would mean political suicide for them and financial devastation for the Country.

You seem to have a very simplistic idea of what leaving the EU will actually mean in real terms. Probably why we're in the mess we are right now.

AsdaWalmart
undercuts the Bigger Tesco.


And No Deal is in the Card Pack
the EU will not allow our deal
(no pick and mix permitted etc)
The Labour and Conservative
both want free trade
EU says NO.


So No Deal is Fine.

Sorry for all the "I"'s


And I am thinking of of the
Young in the England /Wales
they will get more WORK.
Or get no cash.


Poor Folk can ignore the M&S
and go to the AsdaWalmart
or Lidl or Aldi UK

That is opinion , nothing more. Others will follow suit as many other EU countries want out, I have posted enough articles about it. If you think there are no Issues with the EU then you are blind. No-one knows for sure what will happen when we leave, except you it seems.

At least if we have to pay to get out, and we shouldn't as that is about the EU trying to stop us, it is a one-off payment unlike the 350bn a year we are paying in membership fees.

We and other EU countries are paying billions to immigrants, the vast majority of whom are on benefits and likely will remain so for years to come. Immigration is a shambles and contributing to destroying our economy. Yes we may need some migration economically but should only accept those we need, not those who will drain or resources. The demographics of Europe are changing significantly due to immigration and higher birth rates amongst past and future generations of migrants. People have every right to be concerned about that. Immigration issues won't go away and the issues will have to be addressed and will be.

Increased immigration increases terrorism as it allows many terrorists to get in this way.

https://www.defendevropa.org/2017/mi...any-june-2017/

https://www.defendevropa.org/2017/po...great-britain/

https://www.defendevropa.org/2017/po...ement-germany/

https://www.defendevropa.org/2017/po...k-netherlands/

'The powers that be' can't just stop Brexit - as that would be sticking two fingers up at democracy. A public vote can't just be ignored because the losers stamp their feet loud enough. Any future public votes on anything would count for nothing.

If people who have little regard for a public vote and think a public vote can be over-turned when it suits get their way - soon there won't even be a public vote and the public won't get a say in anything - it will all be down to governments and others in power, whatever party are in. That's a scary prospect. The people have had their say, information was provided and available to those who cared enough to bother to read. It is a done deal and those not happy need to stop whining.

It is actually the scaremongers and the refusal of those to accept a public vote, and move on and get on with coming together and getting the best deal we can for our country that are causing the problems and causing danage to our economy. Move on and get real - it is beyond boring.

It's hard to simply "accept a public vote" when, for example, you know that some who voted for it believe that we are paying "£350 billion a year in membership fees" when the actual figure is £13 billion... And that's before the benefit from trade is taken into account. :umm2:.

"actual figure is £13 billion.."


Yes TS
that's OUR Cash

FECk FECK FECK

the EU

And you think £13 billion a year (>1bn a month) is nothing to be bothered about. It will be every month, and likely increase, for ever in theory.

There are so many variables, here that most are not aware of, so for any layman to simply state Brexit will be a disaster is not only untrue, because no-one knows, but simple, blatant scaremongering.

There have been predictions based on facts and figures from both sides - but Brexit is what was voted for and until people stop whining and pull together for a decent deal no-one will know.

I didn't say it's nothing to be bothered about but it is a debatable subject (e.g if you believe that membership brings more than 13bn a year into the UK condom in trade to offset that spend). It's a very different figure to 350bn a year which could never be compensated for.

I know you might not think so Brillo but getting your facts and figures at least half way correct is important if you want to be taken seriously. It's impossible to have an actual discussion of the facts when they're so wildly off.

Edit: :joker: my phone autocorrected "economy" to "condom" but it made me giggle so I'm not fixing it.

That was one figure which I was basing on the figure thrown around at Brexit. 13bn is still a fortune and the sentiment still applies.

The autocorrection on here is crap and instead of coming up with suitable possibilities comes up with bizarre unrelated words. Maybe it was a Freudian slip.

I think the figure you're thinking of was the 350 million a week figure (18bn a year) that was talked about in relation to the NHS. Which is closer to the real figure but doesn't factor in the EU money that is spent in the UK (4 or 5 billio, which brings the real fee down to 13bn).

Like I said, beyond that it depends on whether you believe that 13bn is then "money down the drain" or if you believe that membership brings in more than 13bn in trade revenue / other areas, which it almost certainly does. There's no real chance that Brexit will save us money in instant cash terms.

TS we can WALK OUT
pay Feck All.

Is good to have Options

They can charge tax on spanish veg
I will go to AsdaWalmart USA Veg cheaper
and M&S Israel imported veg - cheaper




Feck Feck the EU

Aternatively we can do our own trade deals - have the profits and the £13bn.

And if other countries want free movement tied into trade deals what then?...

As free movement means less secure borders and most EU countries have now had enough of unsecure borders and immigration I think many would be more concerned about that than free movement.

They could hardly fault the UK for not wanting open borders when they have experienced the down side of it and are threatening to close their borders.

I don't understand what you're saying here... Take the EU out of the equation, if we trade with the rest of the world and they want free trade what can we do?
We bleated bad enough about eastern Europeans :/

Chancellors public sector are 'overpaid' comment.
 

The chancellor Phillip Hammond is correct in what he says... The public sector is paid on average 10% more than the private sector.

And what is wrong with that? For me it doesn't suggest there needs to be any movement in public sector wages... more that there is a need for an increase in private sector wages.

The minimum wage increasing to £10ph will achieve this, so just do it, what's the issue? The service industry needs workers, give them a fair days pay and end this discrepancy between public and private sector wages.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7843461.html

The Tories will agree to whatever deal gets offered to them, the current government has no backbone and are all bark and no bite. They're not going to walk away without a deal and the EU are holding all the cards.

Brexit is going to happen but a lot of Leavers won't be happy with it and they've only got themselves to blame for voting back in an incompetent government.

Its disgraceful how labour do NOTHING for small businesses
The backbone of our nation , the biggest jobs provider and the people who give us our identity and uniqueness

No one goes to the great cities for the massive corporate brands, they go for the unique businesses that give a place charm, heritage, culture, uniqueness, that represent that town city country and its people

but labir destroy small businesses, with petty rules, red tape, massively rises in their licenses, rates, tariffs, car parking charges, endless disastrous road work projects ...massive rises in public sector chief exective rises to over £250,000 per annum plus bonuses and massive increases in expensive wasteful middle management that bankrupted the pubic sector, endless speed cameras to get more money out of working people, they then demand pay rises and pension rises, theyre pensions are already way higher than those in small businesses. Their endless benefits handouts to breed for benefits lazy layabouts, they should only be for sick and disabled people. Not to forget the nhs is for life saving not boob jobs...The private sector always has to bail out the public sector when they always go bankrupt anf run out of other peoples money

They are a disgrace

They have even introduced a stallinist double license on all home owners in wales, you buy a license per landlord and another per property for the priveliege of the councils allowing you to rent your own privately owned house to anyone, even your own mother? this is communism
in wales theres a bigger percentage of the population employed by the state than in old russia. This is why wales is always poorer than england, they are enslaved to this mindless socialism

the small businesses dont have massive trade unions to march and demand more money like the public sector, they are too busy working to survive and pay their bills, create jobs and make a profit to live off

corbyn and the bullies of the left never ever do or say anything about the small businesses and never join up the dots that it is these hard working small business owners who fund and supply the public sector and their endless mindless waste, their greedy wages and pension demands

Where is your patriotism? the EU hold no cards, they are bankrupt with record unemployment. Their power is an illusion, theyre the titanic and they hit the iceberg and due to the same sheer arrogance, corruption and complacency they will end up at the bottom of the ocean too. You can count on it.

Sounds like Theresa May's Tory 'Government' you're talking about here.:shrug:

You're confusing 'Patriotism' with 'Nationalism', two very different things!
Nationalism is the blind flag-waving where people are willing to cut their nose off to spite their face with very little concern about the overall financial or social state of our country while true Patriots want what's best for our Country and those who live in it, regardless of ethnicity or political leaning.

Brexit was hijacked very early on by thinly veiled Nationalist xenophobes who put their personal agenda before what is really best in the long term for Britain and its citizens. Highly un-Patriotic.

The backbone of Brexit is and always has been badly informed and willfully ignorant people who whipped up insecurities, fears and phobias and spread mis-information to serve their selfish personal agenda.

:clap1:

Red tape saves lives.

bad red tape costs lives and billions in public money too

'The backbone of Brexit is/has been badly informed because you say so - yep right! :shrug:

Many labour politicians care little about things like social issues, ethnicity and diversity and what is best for the country and more about creating a nation of future Labour voters hence their keenness to let in hundreds of thousands of those future voters with little thought for the long-term effects on the country. It's all a manipulative pretence in the name of a power grab and political control to serve their selfish personal/political agendas.

High horses are all well and good but do absolutely nothing to make the product of their highly active imagination real.

JTM hit the nail on the head plus too many people see patriotism as basically being 'Agree to everything I say or you're a TRAITOR!!!!' If that's the choice then I'd rather think for myself then be blinded by a dangerous oppressive attitude .

Proof that what JTM said is true.

You can't argue against him so you're diverting attention to Labour when they won't really get a say in how Brexit is handled. How long will you continue to blame Labour for the Tories' **** ups? You're so desperate to pin everything on Jeremy Corbyn then you don't realise that the Tories are guilty of everything you accuse Labour of and I think you know that's the case.

Some people will believe the lie even if they know it's a lie and that's just sad.

You set the bar for truth very low. :shrug: Clutching at straws more like. :smug:

More diversion, more avoidance.

possibly the most ignorant ill informed post ever made on this site
yes all 18 million were badly informed ignoramuses lol

Says the person who said only yesterday that ''democracy'' means you have the right to have help from anyone in any country (whether they're classed as an enemy of your country or not) to win an election.:laugh:

I can't even come close to this level ignorance.