What killed BB on C5?
 

So we all know the combination of Nikki returning in BB7, the CBB5 race row and the abysmal production of BB8 are what led to the decline of the Channel 4 show, and arguably, the franchise as a whole, as the show hasn't been the same since then, has it?

But over the past year or so, interest and ratings seem to have sunk even lower. BB just about scraping a million viewers (sometimes even less) and CBB averaging almost half of what it was a few years back. Compare that to the earlier C5 series, where civilian BB could comfortably average 1.6m+ (almost 2m in BB14's case) and the renaissance of CBB, which saw an increase in tabloid coverage, as well as ratings above 3m for CBB13/15.

Granted, C5's performance doesn't hold a candle to C4, they were doing somewhat well a few years back. Now it's not even their highest rated show anymore.

What went wrong?

It's just a bit rubbish

Looks like you two have something in common then!

I was actually thinking of making this thread on the plane home last night so you beat me to it :fist:

depends really, CBB5 and Bear winning destroyed the ratings

but C5 did most of the killing?

Two winners - Bear and Helen Wood

Incessant twists, backdoor evictions and unbalanced edits

:joker::joker:

Everything has its day, and time isn't kind to things that are old.

Overkilled it with too many series

Sheer quantity of series, ****ty production tasks and questionable casting. Ppl like bear winning. BRING BACK LIVE FEED

too many series, annoying twists, too many housemates purely for shock factor entertainment

We all know that the three things that 'killed' C4 BB were the combination of Nikki being able to return and be eligible to win, the CBB5 racism row and then the BB8 all female launch which was mostly filled with 'fame hungry wannabees.' This resulted in the ratings decline over the last 3 years on C4 BB and resulted in C4 axing it.

After that, you could argue that BB had already been 'killed' - but for arguments sake BB14, CBB14, CBB15 did really well in the ratings after a worrying few years and then BB17 also improved in the ratings, providing evidence the show was building itself back up after Timebomb so C5 BB was doing 'okay' by it's low standards.

Then Bear comes along, behaves despicably, bullies majority of his fellow housemates and then wins the series. People decide to switch off. Intense rumours follow for an 'All Stars' series of CBB with big former names rumoured including Katie Price, Perez Hilton and Katie Hopkins (the trio were a fixture in C5's most popular series CBB15). The 'All Stars' line up for said CBB series instead includes names such as Jasmine Waltz and Coleen Nolan. People decide to switch off this series and not watch due to the disappointing line up. THEN the next civilian run of the show BB18 features a large number of 'civilians' who are actually not civilians. Many have featured on other television shows and have large social media followings and would be able to qualify for the celebrity version of the show. Many people decide to switch off - hence the low ratings.

SO IN SHORT - the 3 things that 'killed' C5 BB were Bear winning CBB18, CBB19 having a disappointing 'All Star' line up and then BB18 being filled with people who could have qualified for the celebrity show which already has 2 runs a year.

These were my thoughts when I made a thread in the summer!

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru....php?p=9445019

:joker::joker::joker:

the constant mistakes, the constant tackiness, and the unwillingness to listen until it was too little too late

3 series a year, no line between BB and CBB housemates, and too much manipulation.

This.

Agree with all of this. I also thinks the scripted reality TV shows have proved so popular without causing the controversy BB has caused over the years. They're just as cheap to make, producers have total control over what happens without the hassle

Oh grow up. Stupid girls.

But the lack of script and how **** naturally pans out is the appeal for me and quite a lot of the bb fanbase. I don’t even really like reality shows but big brother uk is a niche that I don’t think anything else is capable of filling. Obviously we’re not a large enough demographic to base their business decisions on but still :bawling:

This + the fact that the BB18 launch aired the same time as an episode of Corrie, making people feel not as obliged to watch having missed it from the start. Bear was definitely the main murderer of it though, since I recall thousands of people declaring they'd never watch again, even prior to him winning, and those figures say all there is to know.

I think Helen Wood comparing Brian Belo a murderer/rapist, combined with her and Marc calling him words like 'psycho' and 'dumbass' as he tried to escape being bullied by jumping over the wall is another key factor, as there were thousands of Ofcom complaints for it.

No Live Feed

Me too. I like the chaos of BB but too much producer interfering has ruined that too. The 'scripted' shows offer a more structured narrative but I prefer the chaos.

If you think about it:

BB14 was like the BB7 of C5, in that production started to up the ante by having more twists, but both were successful, so they got away with it.

Then BB15 was like CBB5, in that it tried to replicate the success of the former series but it backfired as the producer's decisions ended up having a negative effect on the series (putting Jade back in led to the race row and giving Helen a pass to the final made the series more negative and draining)

BB16 was like BB8 in that it started of well, but the ratings were lower than usual, so they introduced unnecessary twists as a way to increase ratings, but that ended up hindering more than it helped and the ratings got worse.

BB17 was like BB9 in that it was a step in the right direction after a slight decline.

BB18 was like BB10 in that the ratings fell even further and the show was beginning to feel stale. This is also when speculation of the show being axed began, just like it did at the time.

Exactly. I don’t understand the appeal with structured reality shows as books and movies and other tv series exist all of which have structured plots with way more dynamic and three dimentioal characters that go trough trials and tribulations, instead of Kylie Jenner having an entire show to moan about how hard it is having to use Instagram. Big brother is raw and chaotic which is why I hate it when they do those tasks that artificially create tension and drama

It's become too trashy, it does not appeal to the wider general public. A combination of bottom of the barrel reality stars and a strong focus on sex is what has made the show trashy and in turn has lost the show viewers.

They're cheap to make and unfortunately shows like BB get squeezed out of the schedule

I think the main reason is it isn't viewed as a cool and relevant show anymore I don't know anyone else that watches it apart from me so it just hasn't been given a chance in recent years there are other shows that take people's interest

But has it really been axed or is it just speculation

Because this cbb series has been really good

A lot of it’s speculation there hasn’t been any official statements yet

But I agree with big brother not being relevant anymore literally non of my friends watch it or even hear about it

It’s fatigue

Nobody wants to watch 3 series of an already dying franchise a year

A TV guide fella on BBC NewsHD
at 4:26PM
said its Ben Frow
who wants its gone.

Also the Presenter stated Ch5 Statement
saying it all speculation.


As the Contract is up this year with Endemol.

I think it's a mixture of things.

• Bad editing and only showing one housemate endlessly. This is happening with Andrew this year.
• Silly twists, it's hard to root for somebody when they could go without you having any say in it. I don't vote much anymore because if I did and the housemate I saved got backdoored days later it annoys me
• General overkill, 2 CBB's a year is a lot along with the normal show. I bet most who gave up on the show started missing the summer CBB because civvy BB had knackered them out.
• Lack of live feed. I think a lot of viewers feel manipulated by the edit quite frankly.
• Trash winners: Bear, Helen and Jason.
• the public. How many times have we lost fascinating housemates over dull one noters who add zero to the house dynamic? the public vote sucks.

I think it's a mixture of things.

• Bad editing and only showing one housemate endlessly. This is happening with Andrew this year.
• Silly twists, it's hard to root for somebody when they could go without you having any say in it. I don't vote much anymore because if I did and the housemate I saved got backdoored days later it annoys me
• General overkill, 2 CBB's a year is a lot along with the normal show. I bet most who gave up on the show started missing the summer CBB because civvy BB had knackered them out.
• Lack of live feed. I think a lot of viewers feel manipulated by the edit quite frankly.
• Trash winners: Bear, Helen and Jason.
• the public. How many times have we lost fascinating housemates over dull one noters who add zero to the house dynamic? the public vote sucks.

Yeah this

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