The Modding/Infraction system on this site
 

So before this starts don’t start posting in here complaining about your infractions (unless it’s a relevant example to the topic I guess) and such that’s not the point of this thread :nono:

And mods dont close it straight away bc it’s meant to be an open discussion and not a dictatorship of a forum :nono:

Anyway, on topic :hee: it’s been brought up numerous times but I’m gonna bring it up again because something needs to be done on the site bc it drives members away.

WHY is there no set infraction system on the site? for years now infractions are handed out by mods with zero consistancy at all and as much as mods will say they have no bias, it’s quite blatant that there is and always will be, on top of that there is no appeal system and whenever I personally have replied to an infraction I have never received a response and I imagine many members are in the same boat.

I really don’t understand why mods/admin are so against have a rigid structure of what is classed as a rule break and what isn’t, it’d completely rule out any accusation of bias because it’d be there in black and white as to what is against the rules. It seems like atm there’s far too much of a grey area where depending on who the mod is they can decide what to infract and what rule they want to relate it to.

On top of that, I’m not too sure why there is such secrecy around infractions, thinking about it more it seems that the less secrecy around it the less people can complain because it’s there for everyone to see, surely if everyone could see who got infracted for what and how many points were handed out, nobody could ever claim it was unfair because everyone could see it (this idea has only just come to me now it wasn’t an original part of the thread but yes let’s do an infraction list similar to a ban list), so for example if member A calls member B a twat and gets a one point infraction and then member C calls member B a silly billy and gets a 5 point infraction, everyone could see the blatant bias in the modding.


So yes, that’s me two cents, keep it RELEVANT please ladies :nono:

i mean

my latest infraction was for commenting on a picture that was posted in a music thread

i thought that was beyond ridiculous and i actually messaged the mods about it but didn’t even get a reply so

I didn't think they worked points like that. It was just so many individual infractions added up to a ban?

It’s a point based system whereby 9 points mean a one day ban (iirc) and then it goes up from there

But each infraction comes with a set number of points, but the problem is people don’t know how many points they have per infraction :shrug:

I would certainly like to know why calling out an ignorant member for an ignorant comment is member insult but calling out a racist member isn't?

Ah right. See when they changed it I assumed they'd removed the points system to make it simpler.

But they just removed members ability to see the number of points they received.

Not strange at all. :idc:

Exactly


Marsh’s passive aggressiveness aside :eyes: removing members ability to see the number of points handed out just means that mods can do as they please and as much as they all say “it’s a team, it’s discussed” it an admin overruled and said no this is what’s happening, it’s not like they’re going to argue the point :shrug:

I remember getting one for mentioning the name of a shop in soap and without any hesitation I received one 12 hours later, with no reply when I asked why.

Just needs to be more transparent and I'm surprised it isn't already. That idea should work a lot better because it helps us almost police them, so it keeps everything fair.

My aggression isn't passive! :oh:

It's on a boil wash! :rant:

I've found messaging a mod outside the infraction works for me (Usually Niamh or Dezzy, sorry guys :D)

I do wish there was a better way to appeal though, I normally feel quite bad bothering people to deal with my issue.

Here here

I think removing the reporting posts feature would help a lot

Masala Masood? :skull:

A bit of feedback on the reports we give wouldn't go amiss tbh. This on season especially has been horrendous for unacceptable comments and it doesn't seem to have altered at all.

Why?

Because it'll stop me getting infracted!

I do think mods protect some posters.

Also they say contact if you have questions about your Infraction but they get ignored

:joker:

because it makes no sense to do it this way. Context is often important . Like, if we had it set so that everytime someone called someone else an idiot it was an infraction, fair enough. But then in the chat thread, there would be a bunch given out per day and we would still be in the wrong :shrug:

There is a set system also in a way. There are set points for each thing. But its impossible to moderate a forum like this with completely set rules..I mean lets think of a random example that we could have for total consistency with no thinking of the context or anything else. Racism = instant ban. Seems fair enough. But some people would class saying the N word was racism (hopefully all would think this). Some would class saying immigration needs to be controlled as racism. So even then, someone has to use their judgement to if the comment is actually racist or not

Insults are either a warning, 1 point, 3 points, 5 points, or we can chose to ban outright depending on the severity. Would you really prefer every single post that could be perceived as an insult to have 5 points or something? I think..be careful what you wish for with that one tbh :laugh:

You already know why this was. People used to be able to see how many points they had, and they would post about how they infractions had all expired so they were going to insult people, then when they got close to a ban again they would calm down purposely until one expired, then start again. Basically its this way, as people abused it. Like the appeals section.

I will reply to most messages about infractions. Though I do tend to ignore it if people just send me a huge rant, or if its extremely clear why they got one but they are trying to pretend its not.

vicky you’re the only mod to post in here so WHY was my pm ignored? i’m assuming ever mod sees the messages sent to the tibb staff robot?

No mod has ever answered this but why was i infracted and given a 2 day ban last year but the Infraction was revoked but not the ban?

Not entirely sure what this means? Admin do overule us sometimes, and no, its total paranoia to even think that we just do as we please tbh. Has been said before but every single infraction given out automatically creates its own discussion thread in the mod section. So everything we do is pretty transparent behind the scenes (by the way, I see no reason for members to 'police' us as has been mentioned, admin do just fine) and quite often we will challenge each other if we feel one is too harsh or too soft. Sometimes admin will step in also.

I see no reason at all for it to be public which members have had infractions. besides satisfying your noseyness :joker:

No only James and Josy see those I think

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. :shrug: If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.

so WHY was i ignored was it bc y’all knew i was in the right and just wanted to brush the whole thing under the rug?

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No. James and Josy get tibbstaff messages. I used to also but it seems to not send them to me now. Josy has been away for a while. I think I remember James commenting on that actually in admin. But it was decided that it would stand, so I assume thats why you did not get an answer, or because James forgot after posting in the infraction thread. Can bring it up that even if the decision is not going to be reversed, and answer should still be given? Problem there is, so many people just send in totally random rants as replies to infractions, and it would be a huge pain in the arse for admin to send replies to every single moan.

That will have been a mistake. The system is weird, when we reverse the infractions I think it should automatically reverse bans as..that makes sense. But it doesn't and whoever reversed it will have just overlooked that. Did you not message again?

if you reverse an infraction it doesn't unban you automatically, that has to be done separately so whoever did it must have forgot to unban you. I can't check it right now though because I'm on my phone

I'm sorry but a rule like "No name calling" being in place and there also being context so like Scott and Smithy calling each other slags would not warrant an infraction when they're pissing about in the chat thread. Versus someone saying it in serious debates. That's just common sense.

That's not a reason to not have any actual structure imo. :shrug:

I messaged the robot but was ignored

That's not the point though when you know what you're saying is within the rules but will be infracted. OR, more common, a different poster who said similar wouldn't have their posts removed.

But I've debated this stuff so much I got bored of it like ages ago. So... nothing will change so what's the point.

also maybe slightly off topic but i got infracted for posting that pepe meme where he has his dick out yet i’ve seen people post actual nudity :skull:

this is the pic i was referring to btw i’m not posting it to bait so don’t infract me please



idk i feel attacked

Probably better off to message a mod in future

I was also Infracted for saying i thought a forum member was older then they said and it wasnt even in a nasty way like how is that fair

There's an awful lot of "They must have forgot" :laugh2:


Salman returns: I've been banned for SIX YEARS!!!!

Mod: Josy's been really busy she forgot to change it to six days. Chill!

But thats already challenging the consistency you claim you want?

Basically this sounds a bit like..mod other people harshly but not me and my friends. Which is usually whats meant by these threads.

If blanket rules were made up, blanket rules apply across the board. To everyone. In every thread.

Hence needing context to matter

That would be it, yes :hmph:

Yeah **** this. Smithy I was willing to answer your questions in this thread but theres no point at all as I can already see where this is going. Just yet another let say the mods are crap and such. I genuinely am so close to being done with modding this site.

Are you serious? bloody hell, terribly sorry we're only humans who do this s**t for nothing [emoji23]