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Four in 10 GPs suggest seeking private care for mentally ill children

Four in 10 GPs are advising parents of children with mental health problems to pay for private care because NHS services are too overwhelmed to help.

In a survey, 43% of UK family doctors said they told parents whose children were struggling with anxiety, depression, self-harm or eating disorders to seek treatment privately if they could afford it because NHS care is heavily rationed and involves delays of up to 18 months.

The fact that so many families are being directed to private treatment highlights the inability of NHS child and adolescent mental health services (CAMHS) to cope with the growing demand for care from under-18s who have mental ill health.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...y-ill-children

Tory Britain:skull:

I mean, this in't great but we still have brown people in the country so whadayagonnado?

There is simply to many people in the uk's cities atm, our services simply can't cope with them all.

Facts are facts slim..not my fault is it.:shrug:

For all but terminal illnesses, doctors have always recommended private treatment if people want fast action and this has been the case for more than 50 years that i know of :shrug:

Maybe we should be looking at why mental illness in children has grown at such an alarming rate in 20 years, there should be more funding but throwing money at it isn’t going to fix the problem.

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10745583)

Maybe we should be looking at why mental illness in children has grown at such an alarming rate in 20 years, there should be more funding butthrowing money at it isn’t going to fix the problem.

I was just going to say the same....I think it points to social media and video gaming,

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10745583)

Maybe we should be looking at why mental illness in children has grown at such an alarming rate in 20 years, there should be more funding butthrowing money at it isn’t going to fix the problem.

I blame increased use of social media, "celebrity culture", and ignorant parents tied to their smartphone.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10745582)

For all but terminal illnesses, doctors have always recommended private treatment if people want fast action and this has been the case for more than 50 years that i know of :shrug:

Is anorexia not a terminal illness?..

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10745587)

Is anorexia not a terminal illness?..

Untreated the mortality rate is 20%, treated it's around 2%.

Blaming immigration for the cuts to NHS has always been the foolish excuse of people desperate to please their tory overlords.

Tories are choosing to make cuts in order to push their agenda of privatisation and blaming anyone that isn't white is a surefire way to get the masses on side.

Two things can be true at once - there can be too many people for the infrastructure to cope with, and there can be too many cuts going on.

White families have children living in cities as well...jump of that tired old horse, don't you think the poor things been flogged enough...it's nearly dead

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10745643)

Two things can be true at once - there can be too many people for the infrastructure to cope with, and there can be too many cuts going on.

That can be true but be honest with yourself, the cuts to the NHS are nothing more than a push for privatisation. Anyone that's blaming immigrants is falling for the scapegoat.

Listen to what the people who actually work for the NHS are telling you. There's so many cases of doctors and nurses pretty much screaming at the populace to pay attention to the evil that's poisoning the NHS but everyone's just like 'Nope, let's blame the brown people instead.'

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10745643)

Two things can be true at once - there can be too many people for the infrastructure to cope with, and there can be too many cuts going on.

Cutting immigration would result in a declining, ageing population without a working-age taxable population to support (financially and physically) those people and the entire care infrastructure would collapse. "Less people" isn't a solution, unless the route to "less people" is (to be blunt) killing off the elderly.

It always makes me laugh when people claim that working-age immigrants are the major drain on health and care services. When it's old people. No ifs, ands or buts... the over-75's are such a massive drain on the healthcare system, that heavy smokers and drinkers actually end up being less of an overall drain on resources purely because they die younger.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10745660)

The population includes smokers, drinkers, jokers, thinkers, migrants, old people, babies ... i didn't say anything about immigrants, I said there are too many people for the infrastructure.

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10745699)

You seem very qualified to diagnose a vast spectrum of illness. Not all of which are remotely the same.

What's wrong with speculating about what is causing this problem?

...early intervention was always the key with children and mental health issues...schools used to have more involvement from social workers, from community nursing teams with mental health nurses..from psychologists etc...there used to be regular drop in clinics, where parents were able to discuss any concerns about their child..it’s been several years since any of those things have been accessible...and it is due to funding, sadly...I know of a child who after several suicide attempts, their GP said...‘it’s a phase, she’ll grow out of it..’...I do feel for the GP’s as well because their support networks have been cut with funding as well...they’re not qualified in mental health issues...it’s all very, very sad ..:sad:...and why mental health issues are not getting the intervention required...

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10745727)

What's wrong with speculating about what is causing this problem?

Which problem? "Mental illness" is a very broad term.

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10745742)

Yes poorly run NHs services are the issue. Let's hold the management to the candle.

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10745885)

Which problem? "Mental illness" is a very broad term.

Cherie said we should look at what caused the increase, and I subsequently speculated :shrug:

Depression and anxiety - feeling neglected by their parents in favour of phones; being cyberbullied and feeling unable to "switch off" due to constantly being connected...

Anorexia or dysmorphia issues - celebrity culture and instagram snaps being airbrushed beyond possibility

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10745623)

Untreated the mortality rate is 20%, treated it's around 2%.

Did you just mansplain anorexia?

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10745921)

Did you just mansplain anorexia?

Did you just use the "word" mansplain? Dear god :joker:

You asked if it was terminal, I told you the mortality rate :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10745908)

IM-

Do you actually have anything to add?

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Parents’ excessive use of mobile phones has been linked to increasing children’s behaviour problems in the world’s first study of its kind.

The research involving almost 200 families found that children whose parents were addicted to their phones were significantly more likely to have behaviour problems.

Some 40 per cent of the mothers and 32 per cent of the fathers admitted some form of phone addiction such as being unable to resist checking messages, always thinking about incoming calls or texts or simply feeling they used it too much.

This led to what the researchers dubbed “technoference” in their relationships with their children where their everyday interactions were interrupted by digital or mobile devices whether during face-to-face conversations or at meal or play times.

Over the six months of the study almost half the families reported such “technoference” happening at least three times a day, 24 per cent said it occurred twice a day and 17 per cent at least once. Only 11 per cent claimed to have no such interruptions.

The researchers found poor behaviour in the children was more closely linked to their mothers’ phone usage rather than the fathers’. This could be explained by the fact the children spent more time with their mothers who had fewer work commitments.

The more often parents reported experiencing technoference, the more behaviour problems they rated their children as displaying. These ranged from sulking, whining and displaying easily hurt feelings to hyperactivity, temper tantrums and becoming easily frustrated.

In interviews, the parents told the researchers, from Illinois State University and University of Michigan Medical School, they found it hard to multi-task between their children and mobile devices, making it more difficult to read and respond to child cues and to manage difficult behaviour.

Previous research by Dr Jenny Radesky, of Michigan University’s medical school, based on videos of 225 couples during meals, showed a significant decline in the quality of interactions between children and their mother when she had her phone out.

There was a fall of 20 per cent in verbal interactions, a 39 per cent drop in non-verbal communication and a 28 per cent decline in the mothers encouraging their children.

It was the same when she and her team observed parents on their phones at a fast food restaurant for another project: “Time and again we saw less conversation during parents’ tech use. They took longer to respond to their children and there was more conflict with the parents raising their voice, shoving children away and the children trying to escalate their behaviour.”

She said they could not rule out the possibility that parents used the technology to cope with the stress of dealing with their children. “In qualitative interviews, many stay-at-home mothers reported using digital technology as a way to ‘escape’ the boredom or frustrations of childrearing, or to regulate their own emotions,” she said.

The research has emerged as Manchester is to become the first authority in the UK to launch a public health campaign to tackle the breakdown in communication between parents and children caused by smart phones and other digital technology.

Health chiefs say children's speech and language development is under threat from parents spending too long on their mobile phones or being distracted by listening to digital devices on their headphones.

"You go around Manchester and Salford and see unbelievable attempts by children to communicate with the adult they are with but who is oblivious to them because they have headphones on. I find it very distressing," said Michelle Morris, one of Britain's leading speech and language therapists and a consultant at Salford Royal NHS Foundation Trust.

“If you are walking down a street and listening to music, you can’t really pay attention to what your child is doing. Unless the child says something very loudly or pulls on the adult, there’s no chance to communicate.

“The attempt to communicate goes unrewarded and the child could, in time, learn that there’s no point in talking. For little children, it is these multiple interactions with an adult through which it learns language and how to speak.”

The campaign will include nudge-style “texts” to parents suggesting how and when they could talk to their children such as at bath time, advice on when to ditch mobiles whether at meal-times or before going to bed as well as training for health visitors to provide guidance to families.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...g-behavioural/

To throw in some anecdotal, I work in a school for behaviour problems, and most of those who aren't (currently) diagnosed with ASD or similar often complain about their parents doing this.

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10745933)

Do you actually have anything to add?

To your simplistic and ridiculous "comments"? Nope. Not a thing.

To be fair he's not incorrect, social media is a huge contributor to the increase in child and adolescent mental health problems and emotionally absent parents are another big factor - although, I'd say that there are parenting issues (such as addiction) that are far more pressing than "looking at their phone too much".

I also personally don't think we can overlook the fact that the world just isn't a particularly welcoming or friendly place right now... not sure why we're so baffled that kids are growing up unhappy?

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10745935)

To your simplistic and ridiculous "comments"? Nope. Not a thing.

So I post an article to back up my thoughts, and it's just "ridiculous comments"? But you can't explain why? Fair enough.

Oh, he's not wrong in terms of contributing factors. Just he has a "thing" about this epidemic of parents replacing their children with phones. It's bordering on offensive and entirely ignorant of actually deep rooted issues.

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10745937)

So I post an article to back up my thoughts, and it's just "ridiculous comments"? But you can't explain why? Fair enough.

If you need me to explain why saying "Parents go on their phone too much" in response to a child mental health issue is ridiculous there's nothing I can do for you I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10745938)

True, even when it does happen on a "chronic level" it's not like the parent just got a bit too fond of flappy bird. If someone is so glued to their phone that it's socially problematic, it's because they have an issue of their own... the inattentiveness is a symptom of the issue but not the issue itself.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10745942)

Exactly. It's the modern day equivalent of blaming video games IMO.

Just demonises a section of people as materialistic and uncaring and not actually addressing the real reasons (ie. their own mental health problems).

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10745928)

Did you just use the "word" mansplain? Dear god :joker:

You asked if it was terminal, I told you the mortality rate :shrug:

Who are you to tell me anything... where did you get your mortality rates?

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10746071)

Who are you to tell me anything...

:joker:

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where did you get your mortality rates?

https://www.mirasol.net/learning-cen...statistics.php

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10746074)

:joker:

https://www.mirasol.net/learning-cen...statistics.php

This is a private facility in America... How is this accurate or relevant here?

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10746087)

This is a private facility in America... How is this accurate or relevant here?

If you have a better source I'd love to see it :)

Either way, it shows that without treatment the mortality rate is 1/5(!!) and drops to a tenth of that with treatment, so I'd say it's a pretty good argument in providing the service.

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10745939)

If you need me to explain why saying "Parents go on their phone too much" in response to a child mental health issue is ridiculous there's nothing I can do for you I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10745944)

At no point did I say every parent who excessively uses their phone is being neglectful and/or causing their kids' problems; nor did I say every child with behavioural or other problems were caused by phone use. I was clearly theorising that in some cases, that was a possible cause.

Along with cyberbullying and "instagram culture"

Or just maybe the rise of both social media and mental health issues is just a coincidence...

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10746090)

As a matter of fact I do..
Eating disorders have the highest mortality rates among psychiatric disorders.*(10)

Anorexia Nervosa has the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric disorder in adolescence.*(11)

Of those surviving, 50% recover, whereas 30% improve and 20% remain chronically ill.*(12)

http://www.anorexiabulimiacare.org.uk/about/statistics

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10746155)

Doesn't contradict what I said :shrug: my source said the mortality rate of anorexia is 1/5, you didn't quote any mortality rate.