34 out of 54 African nations dont allow same sex relationships.
 

All sorts of stories about this, police torturing people for confessions..people being necklaced.


Should the world demand change in these countries?

Should British born people of African origin be airing this more for public debate?

1. Yes
2. What?

You mean the homophobic values we imposed on our colonies?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cy-colonialism

Uganda is laughable considering what they done with their indian population under idi Amin

Germany is laughable considering what they done with their Jewish population under Hitler

Your point being?

If you would of actually bothered to research into this topic, you would find as a user posted above it’s mostly at fault of the British Empire and other colonisers that imposed these social values.

But of course you didn’t. It was just an attempt to cause some friction on a forum where a good majority of its posters are LGBT! Nice try though! :pat:

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They aren't under British rule now though so change can happen?

Then I guess it's lucky how much of the rest of the world (including the people who live in the place that started the British Empire) have grown up and moved on.

Because we did such a thorough job of forcing our Christian values upon them that homophobia has, in most cases, become both culturally ingrained and enshrined in law

That's like saying "well America hasn't been under British rule for three hundred years so why do they still speak English?"

I'm afraid they have continued it whilst we have rightly moved on...

Dont you think they should be challenged on it by the rest of the world?

Britain could have "grown up and moved on" from its love for colonial-era racism but we haven't

that's a weird comparison, changing a countries language would be kinda crazy

laws on the other hand can be changed and countries can move on, look at Ireland in the 80s it was a Bastion of Catholicism, not any more due to progressive governments?

Even if that were true, it doesn't mean those 34 African nations shouldn't have moved on from their homophobia.

MB has explained that already.

We haven't "moved on" either, yes we have gay marriage and gay adaption but homophobia is still apparent in the UK and the western world. If you're not homosexual you can't say "we've moved on".

Some governments in Africa are corrupt due to the state we and the rest of the world left them in.

So do you think they should be challenged on their outdated laws that ban same sex relationships or not?

Cause Britain has ended its ban on same sex relationships years ago...shouldn't we now be challenging other countries to do the same.!

I'm gay and I've never had any real problems :shrug: like sure there are some dickheads out there, but we're generally at the point where no-one gives a flying monkeys.

Homohobia is no more, a straight person on a BB forum said so, the world has moved on!

I'm sure I said the exact opposite to that.

Many African and Native American civilizations always welcomed third genders, ambiguous gender norms and same-sex relations. That was, of course, until they were colonized and Christian values were imposed on them by their white rulers.

It's our fault things like this are still happening so I guess to answer your question, yes, we should all be speaking up about it way more!

You're incredibly lucky and ultimately an outlier rather than the norm. Things are better than they used to be but there is always danger, there's always a need to be careful in public, to consider who might potentially start a situation that could lead to violence if you even try to hold the hand of someone of the same sex.

I'm bi, I know how things are different when I'm with a woman and when I'm with a man. It's different in a same sex relationship, you can't be as open as you could if you were with a woman, you've got to consider people around you and be careful. I've never felt in danger with a woman but I certainly have if I've gone anywhere with a man.

Bisexuals are unique in that regard, we get to experience the differences and know how the world changes when it thinks we're straight or gay (because bisexual isn't an option until you tell someone you are and then you have to deal with potential biphobia).

Sorry but that’s really not the case.

That's like forgiving a rapist because his victim was wearing a short skirt.


It's not anyone's fault but the nations themselves, they've had more than enough time to sort out their homophobia.

I don't really know what to say to you. Go and tell them that then.

No country has managed to 'sort out' their homophobia. It exists in all places in the world.

Africa's problem mostly lies in religion, a lot of countries on that continent are fundamental in their beliefs and it forms a backbone for their countries. I don't think you'll ever truly get rid of homophobia anywhere but if you could truly divorce religion from power and governance and lessen it's hold on society as a whole, then it would be a start. Religion is responsible for a lot of hate and bigotry in this world.

Okay but you don't account for all gay people do you? You need to think of demographics and situations. Especially in poorer areas/small towns of the country where homosexual people are still discriminated against.

I know someone who came out a few months ago and their parents first reaction was to kick them out. So please again don't think your position counts for all.

I've had a good read of that...

The word ethnographic interested me so I looked it up and its the scientific study of cultures and customs.

I'm assuming that someone must have written things at the time about what they witnessed from the tribes mentioned when first contact was made for them to know that homosexuality was practiced within the tribe..

I'd love a read at that..

Thing is though, these countries have ran themselves for years now, but their laws against it are getting harsher and stronger.

The british empire cant be blamed for that.

But those countries as they are today were built on values the empire brought open them which shaped their governance.

Look at America, It was built on slavery and the oppression of black people and although those laws have been abolished, black people are still oppressed by the systematic racism that remains. Plus you have religion being as dominant as it's always been.

The empire committed a lot of evil in this world when it was a thing. don't let patriotism blind you to the truth.

I dont agree that homosexuals are discriminated against in small towns at all.

In my experience they are adored by all.

I'm from a small town. I wouldn't say gays are "adored" here, more ... "indifferenced" :laugh:

That last line...I'm not a complete tit you know :nono:

But that's your experience as a straight person who has never and will never experience homophobia. It's like a white person saying that racism isn't an issue. Your circumstances will ultimately limit your understanding of how present homophobia is in today's society.

I've often talked about my good friend jamie, he flaunts about town chatting away to everyone. Lighting up their faces with his patter.

Flambouyance and likeability go hand-in-hand, to be fair. Within reason anyway.

It's actually like me saying what my experiences are like,followed by a full stop...

My experiences are just that, mine...yours are obviously different, but you cant blame me and my experiences for that.

He was the only open gay Male in town and boy did he let everyone know...that's why I like him so much.

He was the only .....until colin came along last summer..back up from london and 20 years older than jamie..colin, driven out of town by schol bullies and his father's homophobia in 1986....

I met them both in Colin's shop on a visit up and jamie wasnt amused when i bear hugged colin...my cousin.

But your experience doesn't really reflect the reality of homophobia because it doesn't affect you.

You can't make sweeping statements about how small towns are homophobic or not because you inherently can't relate. You might think that homophobia isn't as big as an issue in small towns but the people who have lived it will say differently.

I can say I disagree with something dezzy..which is what I did...stop fancying things up by using sensational wordage.