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arista 02-11-2020 09:10 AM

The Sun Newspaper has Won against Johnny Depp
 
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Johnny Depp loses 'wife beater' libel case against The Sun
over Amber Heard allegations
Pirates Of The Caribbean star Johnny Depp was unable to
convince the High Court
he was not violent towards ex-wife Amber Heard.]

https://news.sky.com/story/johnny-de...tions-12081479


Its costed him Millions.

user104658 02-11-2020 09:33 AM

They were quite blatantly violent towards each other, if you listen to the tapes between them that much is really evident. Whether or not she introduced it into the relationship isn't really relevant in this sense, and also if you listen to the tapes it's hard to argue that she isn't abusive/has a SEVERELY warped perception of relationships, but yeah... while it seems like she encouraged it and he wanted it to stop... it's been fairly clear that the violence in the relationship at times went both ways to at least some extent.

That said, of course, I hate that tabloids peddle this stuff in the first place and I also hate that people will lap it up.

arista 02-11-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10945165)
They were quite blatantly violent towards each other, if you listen to the tapes between them that much is really evident. Whether or not she introduced it into the relationship isn't really relevant in this sense, and also if you listen to the tapes it's hard to argue that she isn't abusive/has a SEVERELY warped perception of relationships, but yeah... while it seems like she encouraged it and he wanted it to stop... it's been fairly clear that the violence in the relationship at times went both ways to at least some extent.

That said, of course, I hate that tabloids peddle this stuff in the first place and I also hate that people will lap it up.


Yes she gets off



Hollywood does not want a "Wife Beater"

arista 02-11-2020 09:45 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11...4311664985.jpg


[Johnny Depp, 57, has lost his long-running libel battle
with his ex-wife Amber Heard and The Sun newspaper
The star's reputation lies in tatters after
London's High Court found he did beat Heard during their marriage
Heard's legal team released a statement this morning
saying that they were 'not surprised' at the judgement
The Aquaman actress, 34, had tearfully told the
court of 14 occasions in which Depp had hit her since 2013
Depp sued The Sun over a 2018 article with
the headline: 'Gone Potty: How can JK Rowling be 'genuinely happy'
casting wife beater Johnny Deppin the new Fantastic Beasts film?'
He said the allegations had cost him his role as
Captain Jack Sparrow in the Pirates of the Caribbean films
The trial was told of Depp's incredible drinking and
cocaine binges, his lavish spending and jet set lifestyle
In his ruling, the judge dismissed Depp's claim saying
the publisher proved the article to be 'substantially true']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ber-Heard.html

UserSince2005 02-11-2020 09:59 AM

what a brut

Liam- 02-11-2020 10:06 AM

How does one prove that they don’t beat their wife? Surely it’s down to the accusers to supply the burden of proof? I feel sorry for him, Amber tried and succeeded in ruining his reputation while she gets off mainly free

bots 02-11-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10945199)
How does one prove that they don’t beat their wife? Surely it’s down to the accusers to supply the burden of proof? I feel sorry for him, Amber tried and succeeded in ruining his reputation while she gets off mainly free

the american libel system works completely the other way round, guess that was his mistake

Amy Jade 02-11-2020 10:15 AM

Both as bad as each other. Said it all along.

Marsh. 02-11-2020 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10945172)
Yes she gets off

She? This isn't Heard's trial.

Amy Jade 02-11-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10945209)
She? This isn't Heard's trial.

She's been through a media trial for sure.

Ammi 02-11-2020 10:41 AM

...the judge has said that he finds 12 of the 14 allegations against Johnny Depp to be true ....and they’re pretty horrendous allegations, which would indicate somewhat of a monstrous character...

arista 02-11-2020 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10945209)
She? This isn't Heard's trial.


Yes it was Just Depp foolish taking the Mighty
Sun on in a UK court.


He should not have taken the libel case

utopianman 02-11-2020 10:48 AM

depp is a good guy she is evil. she is the perpetrator in every argument and she has been far more violent too, the judge got this horribly wrong.

arista 02-11-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by utopianman (Post 10945239)
depp is a good guy she is evil. she is the perpetrator in every argument and she has been far more violent too, the judge got this horribly wrong.


Except when he was taking Cocaine

user104658 02-11-2020 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 10945207)
Both as bad as each other. Said it all along.

I agree - the tap recordings of them have a part where he says something like "the violence has to stop" if they're to stay together and she responds "I can't promise that" - people quickly took that to mean that she's violent towards him and he's 100% victim, when the other evidence made it much more likely that they had a violent relationship on both sides, that it had become normalised as part of their fights, and that he had gotten to a place of wanting it to stop whilst she wasn't willing to commit to that. Like I said before, that's definitely down to a messed up perception of a normal relationship, but it definitely doesn't mean that there wasn't mutual violence before that point.

Basically I think they had a messed up relationship, he wanted a commitment to fixing that, she said she couldn't make any promises and they rightly separated. It would have been better for both of them if that had been the end of it tbh. Both were abusers, both were victims, and both have permanently damaged careers. What a mess.

user104658 02-11-2020 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by utopianman (Post 10945239)
depp is a good guy she is evil.

Fairy-tale stuff, that's very rarely an accurate interpretation of the real world.

Quote:

she is the perpetrator in every argument and she has been far more violent too, the judge got this horribly wrong.
Her being "more violent" is irrelevant in this case; he was arguing that it was libel to say that he had been violent. If he was indeed violent - the claim is true and the reason doesn't matter. It becomes a bit of a playground "Well she hit me first!!" situation... it's not how adults should operate.

If your partner is hitting you, you leave them. You don't start hitting back and call it provoked.

Ammi 02-11-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by utopianman (Post 10945239)
depp is a good guy she is evil. she is the perpetrator in every argument and she has been far more violent too, the judge got this horribly wrong.

...how would we know that Amber is the perpetrator of every argument, though...how can that have truth with so much we don’t know...

Niamh. 02-11-2020 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10945245)
I agree - the tap recordings of them have a part where he says something like "the violence has to stop" if they're to stay together and she responds "I can't promise that" - people quickly took that to mean that she's violent towards him and he's 100% victim, when the other evidence made it much more likely that they had a violent relationship on both sides, that it had become normalised as part of their fights, and that he had gotten to a place of wanting it to stop whilst she wasn't willing to commit to that. Like I said before, that's definitely down to a messed up perception of a normal relationship, but it definitely doesn't mean that there wasn't mutual violence before that point.

Basically I think they had a messed up relationship, he wanted a commitment to fixing that, she said she couldn't make any promises and they rightly separated. It would have been better for both of them if that had been the end of it tbh. Both were abusers, both were victims, and both have permanently damaged careers. What a mess.

There was also the accusation towards Johnny that his relationship with Kate Moss may have had some domestic violence, I have no idea if there is any truth to that however his 2 other long term exes came forward to his defense where as Kate was very quiet..even after Amber alleged that he had pushed her down stairs during their relationship

It may be the case that Johnny reacts in certain ways to certain types of personalities, who knows but neither seem totally innocent to me

bots 02-11-2020 11:07 AM

the judge came to the conclusion that there was ample evidence that Depp did beat his wife, which is what the libel case was about. In that circumstance it doesn't matter if one was as bad as the other, "the Sun was telling the truth" :shocked:

Ammi 02-11-2020 11:14 AM

...Johnny Depp’s lawyer has just said that the decision will be appealed...

...I mean, because innocence is initially assumed so guilt has to be proved, as it were...to have ruled that 14 allegations of abuse were felt proven, it all must have surely been pretty damning for Johnny Depp...

Amy Jade 02-11-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10945254)
There was also the accusation towards Johnny that his relationship with Kate Moss may have had some domestic violence, I have no idea if there is any truth to that however his 2 other long term exes came forward to his defense where as Kate was very quiet..even after Amber alleged that he had pushed her down stairs during their relationship

It may be the case that Johnny reacts in certain ways to certain types of personalities, who knows but neither seem totally innocent to me

There were rumours years ago he attacked Kate and once threw her down the stairs. Since she never came forward to debunk them I honestly believe it happened.

TS said everything I think really, better than I ever could. Both drug abusers who battered each other. I personally think both should be held equally accountable. My issue comes with people demonising Amber and then posting crap like '#justiceforjohnny' like he was a cowering victim sitting in corner of the room.

Nicky91 02-11-2020 11:17 AM


Amy Jade 02-11-2020 11:19 AM

I hate siding with the Scum, breaks my heart but he did abuse her (and she abused him before anyone starts) and they were man and wife so their description of him is accurate.

Ammi 02-11-2020 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 10945267)
I hate siding with the Scum, breaks my heart but he did abuse her (and she abused him before anyone starts) and they were man and wife so their description of him is accurate.

...yeah that’s exactly how I was feeling when I saw the news, Amy...but it sounds like a pretty damning certainty from the judge...so accuracy in what was reported by the Sun...

user104658 02-11-2020 11:24 AM

I just wish "news"papers would stick to news (even if it's just light-hearted frivolous stuff) rather than reporting on celebrities' personal lives.

Nicky91 02-11-2020 11:25 AM

Amber must definitely get an oscar nomination for this performance of the ''victim'' and how well she used her acting skills to get what she wants

i never have and i never will see Johnny as a bad person

bots 02-11-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10945272)
I just wish "news"papers would stick to news (even if it's just light-hearted frivolous stuff) rather than reporting on celebrities' personal lives.


we have had years of pretty grim news ... by now there has to be market for frivolous news

Ammi 02-11-2020 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10945272)
I just wish "news"papers would stick to news (even if it's just light-hearted frivolous stuff) rather than reporting on celebrities' personal lives.

...sadly, more ‘click bait’ stuff seems to be what attracts because back in the day when it was more ‘news’Papers..?..The wasn’t the competing with social media ‘news’...

arista 02-11-2020 11:39 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11...29_964x544.jpg

user104658 02-11-2020 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10945276)
Amber must definitely get an oscar nomination for this performance of the ''victim'' and how well she used her acting skills to get what she wants

Meh, her career is wrecked and happy people don't end up in these situations. I don't think she's "got what she wants". I feel quite sad for both of them to be honest, prime examples of how being rich & famous does not automatically = happy people.

utopianman 02-11-2020 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 10945267)
I hate siding with the Scum, breaks my heart but he did abuse her (and she abused him before anyone starts) and they were man and wife so their description of him is accurate.

thats wrong , she abused him
all his partners came forward and said he was not abusive at all, 1 partner of 14 years
this woman is a psycho you listen to the endless tapes of lies, threats violence and abuse from her
he must appeal , the judge is an absolute fool to jump to this wrongful conclusion and let the sun off the hook
If I was depp I would press charges against her too

utopianman 02-11-2020 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10945276)
Amber must definitely get an oscar nomination for this performance of the ''victim'' and how well she used her acting skills to get what she wants

i never have and i never will see Johnny as a bad person

same here, funny hows hes gone 50 years and had umpteen relationships yet only when hes with this abusive psycho does his reputation get smeared. shes an abusive violent lying scumbag

Amy Jade 02-11-2020 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by utopianman (Post 10945302)
thats wrong , she abused him
all his partners came forward and said he was not abusive at all, 1 partner of 14 years
this woman is a psycho you listen to the endless tapes of lies, threats violence and abuse from her
he must appeal , the judge is an absolute fool to jump to this wrongful conclusion and let the sun off the hook
If I was depp I would press charges against her too

Kate Moss never came forward and he has been accused of hitting her.

Tom4784 02-11-2020 12:31 PM

I believed her completely until those tapes came out, now I simply can't believe her to be a victim since it seems she enjoyed the toxicity of their relationship while Depp at least tried to fix things. To me, she seems to be a manipulative and coercive person and if the genders were flipped, we'd be a lot more sympathetic towards Depp and a lot more angry at her, since everything about her screams coercive abuse.

Violence is never okay but, if you're being abused by someone and you lash out, that doesn't make you an abuser like them. It doesn't feel right to bring up the soaps look at Coronation street with Yasmeen and Geoff, is she an abuser for snapping and attacking him after months of mental abuse? No one would think so.

I believed Amber Heard once, never again, especially with damning stuff coming out about how her assistant opened up to her about being raped and then she stole the story and made out it happened to her to garner sympathy. That isn't something a victim would do, that's manipulation and horrific manipulation at that. She's a psycho.

utopianman 02-11-2020 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 10945310)
Kate Moss never came forward and he has been accused of hitting her.

Ive never heard that before and I never ever judge a person without significant proof and evidence. I think Ill go with his 50 years of good character and endless good references from zillions of people over your alleged gossip

Amy Jade 02-11-2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by utopianman (Post 10945314)
Ive never heard that before and I never ever judge a person without significant proof and evidence. I think Ill go with his 50 years of good character and endless good references from zillions of people over your alleged gossip

OK brillo

Jack_ 02-11-2020 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by utopianman (Post 10945239)
depp is a good guy she is evil. she is the perpetrator in every argument and she has been far more violent too, the judge got this horribly wrong.

Yeah this is definitely the truth

utopianman 02-11-2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10945313)
I believed her completely until those tapes came out, now I simply can't believe her to be a victim since it seems she enjoyed the toxicity of their relationship while Depp at least tried to fix things. To me, she seems to be a manipulative and coercive person and if the genders were flipped, we'd be a lot more sympathetic towards Depp and a lot more angry at her, since everything about her screams coercive abuse.

Violence is never okay but, if you're being abused by someone and you lash out, that doesn't make you an abuser like them. It doesn't feel right to bring up the soaps look at Coronation street with Yasmeen and Geoff, is she an abuser for snapping and attacking him after months of mental abuse? No one would think so.

I believed Amber Heard once, never again, especially with damning stuff coming out about how her assistant opened up to her about being raped and then she stole the story and made out it happened to her to garner sympathy. That isn't something a victim would do, that's manipulation and horrific manipulation at that. She's a psycho.

agreed. also to totally falsify a rape allegation and take it to the press and police is worthy of a long prison sentence. absolutely horrific. It destroys the life of the falsely accused and their family and friends and children...it also undermines real victims of rape and wastes crucial police time and money too

Nicky91 02-11-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10945313)
I believed her completely until those tapes came out, now I simply can't believe her to be a victim since it seems she enjoyed the toxicity of their relationship while Depp at least tried to fix things. To me, she seems to be a manipulative and coercive person and if the genders were flipped, we'd be a lot more sympathetic towards Depp and a lot more angry at her, since everything about her screams coercive abuse.

Violence is never okay but, if you're being abused by someone and you lash out, that doesn't make you an abuser like them. It doesn't feel right to bring up the soaps look at Coronation street with Yasmeen and Geoff, is she an abuser for snapping and attacking him after months of mental abuse? No one would think so.

I believed Amber Heard once, never again, especially with damning stuff coming out about how her assistant opened up to her about being raped and then she stole the story and made out it happened to her to garner sympathy. That isn't something a victim would do, that's manipulation and horrific manipulation at that. She's a psycho.

of course, and her now also profiting from the whole more #MeToo current times, can also see the Court Jury being manipulated by her fake tears


also we do not know wether he was the one who started the fights, or she provoked him with toxic behaviour, Court Jury might've been manipulated into thinking it was the former, while it could've been the latter, her having started with all this drama

Marsh. 02-11-2020 03:32 PM

Also, the nerve of that scum publication to bleat about all they do for victims of domestic violence, given the front page story they ran on JK Rowling's abusive ex husband a matter of months ago. :umm2:


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