Boris announcement on Monday 22nd February
 

What I'm expecting...and thoughts.

Schools back 8th March. Way too early.
All non essential shops open early April. Still a bit too early.
Social places open July. About right.

He's supposed to tell us when he's easing the lockdown.

Quite frankly I don't think he should be changing anything until the first week of April.

Anything else he announces will disappoint me.
However I'm sure he will disappoint.

Far too early to alter anything.

I fear he's going to take risks again.

Whatever he starts doing now is in my opinion, as someone who'd rather be sure than unsure.
Will be if it's before the first week of April, will be 5 to 6 weeks too soon.

i'm happy for him to relax lock down if the data supports it, and that ultimately is reflected by hospital admissions. If they are down at a manageable level, then open up for sure

but they are only at a manageable level because of the current restrictions. It will zoom back up again if they are relaxed. Too soon.

Hopefully they will relax things gradually.
And not too quickly.

Rinse and repeat

As BOTs said, if the data and science supports it, some loosening would be great if its done gradually and monitored closely.

I don't think they will reopen shops until April.
But the schools will probably reopen next month.
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Not my comments deleted. They should open up a majority after April 15th end of. I know too many young people including myself who are suffering from the lack of social contact.

I agree.

I've heard a lot the last 2 days, of this seems, that seems.
Seems isn't good enough.

We were told in the last 2 lockdowns, by bookends at the press conferences, the data allowed for opening things up gradually again.

They were wrong, and we needed a third.

Data can say whatever you want it to say.

More to the point if they ever were to publish the full actual data to us.
Then perhaps with greater clarity, their word could be trusted this time.

I don't see why the comments got deleted. I didnt report just so you know.

Back on topic....yes Joey. Data can be and is often manipulated to suit purpose.

the difference is that most of the vulnerable have now been vaccinated, so the rates won't shoot up like they did in january

I hope you're right I really do. But I have reservations.

The vulnerable have been vaccinated, yet their letters state even IF they've had BOTH vaccinations they should still shield until 31st March.

Yet they can open all else up.
Where's the sense in rushing again

Or do people like hearing nothing else but we told you so.

It's too early to be relaxing, once that starts the momentum starts to move even faster.

I'd rather not see any more unnecessary deaths of anyone from this, than the thousands there's already been.

I don't think they will rush. Boris said that he will look at the data and then decide.

yes Joey. Agree with all this.

Also I do understand the mental health point of view expressed in here. Its a worry yes tbf. It needs to be taken into account yes. Its hard to know whats for the best unless we try it but not rushing it or we'll have to have yet another lockdown.

I'll be straight on here if he was to not rush.
To commend that, despite my personal grievances and fury at him for the last 12 months on this.

However I think he will be opening schools on March 8th.
That's not just children going to school.
It's more people out, more staff in the schools as well as the children..
Other people taking them and collecting them from school.

That one act opens up many more in the community.
It is ridiculous, in my view, to have schools back for only 3 weeks before the Easter break.

If he opens up anything else too before April.
Then as in the past, to me his words again will have been hollow, very sadly.

He will rush. He's learned nothing. The man is an idiot.

I think he taking advice and will act accordingly , after all he has all the facts ,not us. We need to start opening up but what do I know more than they do ? simple answer is I dont ,none of us do.

We will find out tomorrow.
I really hope they do things gradually.
We don't want to find ourselves on lockdown again.

He's thrown the right advice out before.
With the bookends standing grim faced as he did, pretending to support him.

He's hardly really listened for a year now.

The time hasn't been enough to judge the vaccines effect, we were told that it wouldn't be certain until after the second vaccinations.

So he can have data for the moment, not the long term..
He's got an anti lockdown group in his own party clamouring for the end to lockdown.
The dangerous idiots they are.

I'd rather stay on the side of fullest of caution.
Until much more is known for certain.

We want the barbers open ASAP

...:laugh:..we should have a how long is your hair, thread...mine is seriously scary now but I somehow quite like it...

I look like a freshly lighten match.

Rapunzel Rapunzel let down your hair.

Xxxx

I think it’s stupid to say in March we’re doing this, in April this and in May this, so much can happen in that space of time, and people only hear WERE OPENING THIS IN MAY and ignore the fine print of - assuming cases remain low - then if it doesn’t happen they kick off

Yeah I agree. And didnt Boris actually say at one of the briefings they need to go more with data rather than dates? I'm sure I remember him saying that a few weeks back because Nicola sturgeon had said similar round about the same time

Boris will ruin 2021 tomorrow..

Thousands upon thousands of men will be willing him to open the pubs, but all hes gonna do is allow the mother in law to come round and visit.

People have to live life though... you can’t expect kids to just skip school and be uneducated... it’s unfair to ask for uni students to lose all their years at uni which many say are the best years of your life... you can’t also expect people to give up their businesses...

Once all the 50+s and vulnerable are vaccinated and deaths fall below 100 a day it should open up completely in my opinion, we have to live with covid, people will die just like the flu and many other diseases. A sad part of life is that people die... you can’t stop that. Every disease had an origin and began somewhere we can’t stop the world because some people die... once vaccination has hit all
Vulnerable people things must start again, that’s the best we can do, there will still sadly be some casualties but it’s the same with all diseases, at least the vaccination will improve peoples odds massively (apparently prevent deaths by around 95% which is fantastic)

We can close the thread now.:

I hope I'm wrong.
I'm not happy anyway to think schools will be open from March 8th.

When it's concretely safe to start relaxing then yes.

However, it seems like it's being prepared of better news short term for those advocating opening up sooner.
Not bothered about more possible unnecessary deaths.

The news is full today of promising early data on lower transmission after vaccination, the important word there ,EARLY.
Early is not a clear or fuller picture.

Yet that may be used to say, things can open up a little more quickly than planned.

We've had Hancock, saying now infections falling faster than in the first lockdown.
That's rich considering he didn't seem to have a clue what was going on during the first lockdown anyway.

So the rhetoric is starting now to present a seemingly safer position.

On, ' early' data.
That ought not to be enough at all.

Obviously I'll wait to see what he says.
I'll not prejudge on what I expect to hear now.
If he opens schools on March 8th, I'll think it wrong, especially if he opens them all.
However he's not alone there, Starmer is likely to support that too.
Which I too consider bad judgement on Starmer's part too.

If he opens up more, before April at least, then in my view he has likely learned next to nothing in near a year now sadly.
I believe he will going on a dangerous path again.
With probably more unnecessary losses of loved ones lives and more left with likely long covid in their lives too.

Schools are opening albeit partially in Scotland and Wales tomorrow, we have to loosen at some point, infections will rise but hopefully the vaccines will keep admissions and deaths controlled

We only went into lockdown on 6th January.

I don't agree either with Wales and Scotland opening schools either.

Of course we have to open up, for me only when it's really safe to.

I don't want to lose any more people or see any loved ones ending up with long covid either.
(Oh yes I hear the groans).
Something they're still gathering the data on as to.
People have suffered months and some may for life with long covid.

Are people happy to see that happen just to open things up more quickly?

The vaccines neither stop those vaccinated getting the virus nor yet not transmitting it to others.

There's still too many ifs, maybes and incomplete data it seems in my view.

It’s not that we want people to die.. it’s that we can’t close off life forever. It’s just like saying let’s ban driving because people die in car crashes.. do you want those people to die because of driving? Or do you also agree we should ban all driving...

There comes a point where we have to accept a level of risk in life, and sadly this point is nearing. People are always going to die and we cannot stop that, that is true in all walks of life and will be with coronavirus also. All we can do it vaccinate all vulnerable and all elderly and middle aged and that should help slow down the deaths drastically, but unfortunately not everyone can be saved and also the cost of lockdown financially and mentally will soon begin to have a large impact on the vast majority of the public

I just hope we don't go backwards

He’s had facts that he’s ignored before so still doesn’t fill me with much hope.

Teachers need to be vaccinated before schools open yet there’s not been any mention of that. To me that’s basic common sense.

I can see the same thing happening as last year. Everything opens back up and rates will sky rocket again.

If every adult is to be offered a vaccine by the end of July then common sense would tell you to keep things closed or extremely limited until then.

You can't equate driving deaths with this virus.
This virus is something no one ever expected to come across in this way in their lives.

The loss of loved ones to this is devastating.
Even moreso when their lives shouldn't have been lost.

Driving a vehicle in an accident caused by the driver or another driver, are tragedies, yes avoidable at times, but down to the individuals.

Younger people do get covid too, we're only learning the numbers and the horror of now long covid too even on them.
All from this virus.

The more society is opened up, the more likely infections will rise again.
Very few have even had their second vaccinations yet.

There's still a way to go even with the vaccines, which DON'T stop transmission, from the elderly to the younger and vice versa.
With all that, I will not be convinced any further risk of unnecessary deaths should be put in place.

You'll never agree just as I'll never agree with you that while deaths are sad they may happen, the ones that are and could and should be avoidable that is..
Not if there's ways to prevent unnecessary deaths, no way

HOWEVER I want no one else, not ONE person or family, friends and neighbours, as I and my family have, ( oh yes that just gets groans and derision, I'm used to it now), to lose to this accursed virus any loved one of theirs unnecessarily.
Which shouldn't even be likely, after a year of supposed dealing with and learning about it.

So I'd say no, to any relaxation for that bit extra time to bring things right down even further to much lower levels on ALL counts.

Imagine comparing dying of COVID to a car accident :skull:

What time will be unveiling it? I hope he's not gonna make us wait til 5pm