Trans activists vs Womens activists
 

Piers gets called the C word on live TV by the trans activist and the womans activist proudly admits that she's transphobic.

The lengths Piers goes to to get viewers.

im backing trans for the win.

I don't know what it's all about but from what I can work out is that women's activists were gathering at the Emmeline Pankhurst statue in Manchester and some Trans activists dressed in all black with their faces covered surrounded the statue. There were minor clashes.

I knew JK Rowlings Twitter account would be a good source of information on what's been taking place. I'm off to read the comments in her tweets, I know it will be top quality entertainment.

im sorry if i offend someone by saying this, but i think it would be an extremely rare event to have a biological woman come on to a tv program and speak in that tone, and that person is clearly their nominated spokesperson

Yeah, the women were going to have some kind of event, and the Men's Rights Activists formed some kind of blockade.

I had to Google what a TERF is, that's a new one for me. I thought it was a grassy lawn.

Kellie Jay :love: She would be labelled a terf anyway so may as well accept it rather than arguing against it, she got her point across well


The other lady was quite vicious and I am sure genuine trans woman are horrified to be represented by ‘her’

I don't understand why women feel threatened by trans women.

I'm happy to be educated on the matter.

There needs to be fairness so I disagree with a trans woman being able to compete in a sports event for example.

Seriously, you don't find that behaviour above threatening?

In the video? Yes I do, but that's not all trans women, is it?

It's a cult of nut jobs

its all people supporting their movement

Women deserve their own spaces, and transwomen entering women's spaces nullifies them.

Do men deserve their own spaces? and does trans-women entering men's spaces nullify them?

Well no, transwomen are male so that's fine :shrug:

Nonsense. You're part of the problem with an attitude like that

How so?

But what if you were in the locker room alone with this and politely said "Good morning sir" to make conversation?

I don't call anyone sir, I am Sir.

(Love that video btw)

Well why do women deserve their own spaces? And when you say spaces, what are you referring to?

It's not a competition. How do trans women nullify women's spaces? Again, what spaces?

Biologically they were born as a male and then of they decide go through the change and then identify as women.

They're not still male.

Sex and gender.

Sex is determined at birth with genitalia which can later be changed in life. Gender is how you identify yourself.

I think this war between the trans activists and the women's activists is going to get worse before it gets better. There's obviously bad blood between the two sides and the usual outcome to get rid of bad blood is to get it spilt.

Single sex spaces (bathrooms and changing areas, refuges, prisons), it should go without saying why women deserve them.

Because they're not women.

You can't change your biological sex. They absolutely are still male. Gender identity has about as much sway over the physical as does religion.

Piers being insulted doesn't surprise me anymore and anything that little troll says is stinking rubbish


let him get shipped off to Ukraine too pls, if he thinks the war there is ''fake'' his latest disgusting tweet, maybe he should fight in the frontline :hehe:

I don't see an issue if you've gone through the change why you would not be able to use the same facilities.

Transwomen have rights too.

Safeguarding.

I thought you worked in healthcare Thomas? If it needs more explanation than that one word I’m a little concerned.

Anyway, in the spirit of a good faith discussion: it’s not about “all trans people being dangerous” or anything of the sort, it’s about the push for and incoming likely adoption of “self-ID” laws that will completely remove the ability for women-only spaces to be kept safe from predatory men (not trans people) who can simply declare themselves transgender in order to access those spaces, and challenging that self declaration will be illegal.

The counter argument seems to be that “predators won’t do that” but that’s so laughably false it’s not even worth debating. Of course they will.

Oh dear, what a pickle we've got ourselves in!

I'll stock up on popcorn.

I agree that trans people who have transitioned should be able to and trans identifying people who are in the process should have special provision made so that they don’t have to use any gendered space.

The problem is that the current movement is not about traditional transsexuality where people actually transition, it’s the new “gender identity” philosophy that you can just declare your gender and that’s that, no matter how you present. I think maybe there’s an idea that that isn’t what’s happening but… it is.

I personally think “new gender ideology” is going to end up utterly trashing trans rights as well. It renders the entire concept of gender meaningless, and that is ENTIRELY incompatible with someone considering themselves to be trans.

"The Change" :joker:

Whatever they change about themselves, they're male. Michael Jackson didn't become caucasian, Elton John's wigs don't reverse hair loss.

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and people can claim that this wont happen or it will only happen in a small number of cases which of course may be the case, however one dead or asualted woman is one too many

The lack of empathy is astounding. Thankfully you've never struggled with gender identity. You can be as padantic as you want.

I don't give a **** whether a female who use to be a male wants to use a bathroom labelled male or visa versa. I'm more bothered about people being happy rather than getting my knickers in a twist over something that doesn't affect me.

If they have transitioned I don't see an issue with. I am all for equality and fairness.

For example, I don't think it's fair that someone who has transitioned should compete in certain sports events.

But I think we should be more accepting and diverse. Unfortunately we're not. It's very sad

What do men think about trans-men sharing their spaces? I only ever see the argument about trans-women and women's spaces.

No issue.

it's all a mental thing, born into the wrong body


everybody should be allowed who he or she is for themselves




but i'm not going into this discussion because it has no point talking towards some people who think they know it better

Toy Soldiers posts explain it pretty well. You keep saying "if they have transitioned" this is where the problem lies with this "new wave" of trans ideology, the traditional transexual is pretty much being taken over by the idea that sexed bodies aren't even a thing anymore, women can have penises, men can have vaginas etc etc This is of course a massive issue for safe guarding for women and an attack on our right to single sex spaces.

No issue for me either, but I can see why women would have an issue. Mainly for some of the points that Toy Soldier said about sexual predators taking advantage of the laws.

What's the alternative solution? That we victimise a whole group of people? Make them feel more isolated?

Assaults happen in bathrooms regardless. I think it's a balancing act.

So the solution is taking away safe guarding because "it could happen anyway"? That's crazy, I mean would you think it's ok to take away Police vetting for example of people who want to work with children because "abusers will find away anyway"?

What about the violent men who identify as women so they can be housed in the women's estates in prisons? This has happened by the way. And I say men because these people have not transitioned.