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Is this ok?

Yes :douf:

He got the wrong Ian Watkins is it?

Oh no, something about a block list?

No - if you click on the tweet you can read his thread. He gets to about tweet 12 or 13 before he acknowledges there's nothing there, and he pretends that using "may" in the first tweet is his cover.

What is it?

Yes

He was saying he used a block list created by the other guy in the picture (but was wrong about that it seems) Probably should have edited his first tweet then. Can you edit tweets?

I think so.

Do you not see how disingenuous the claim vs reality is? He knew what he was doing. Come on, this isn't an issue of editing.

Ah yeah, it's a very "click bait" type first tweet to get people to read on for sure and yes unfair to H from Steps definitely

So H was using a blocklist, possibly one made by a predator? Downloading a piece of software doesn't make someone connected to its creator. Invoking a celebrity ("celebrity") is unnecessary, he could have simply talked abojt how the blocklist itself was made by the bloke.

It goes a bit further than clickbaity imo. Anyone reading this thread can swap their name for H from steps, and see how they would feel about that claim being made about them. I doubt many would settle at clickbaity. I'm sure there may well be further legal repercussions.

Not sure he'd really have a case tbf but no I wouldn't like my name being put there either

Looks like a potential case to me, but I'd be lying if i said any real legal knowledge beyond Harvey saying "you're godamn right." :smug:

It's definitely designed to be clickbait and I doubt there will be legal repercussions, as mainstream publications do this literally every day. That's not to say that I agree with the practice, just that it's not at all unusual.

"IS PRINCE HARRY LINKED TO THE RUSSIAN MAFIA???"

Then 3 pages of waffle before "...no he isn't." This also doesn't originate from Graham Linehan, the "BlockedByHFromSteps" hashtag goes back a while and is how people discovered the "TERFblocker" list - the way to check if one is on said list, is to check if one is blocked by H from Steps. There is a genuine reason for the link and whether or not it's slanderous, it doesn't originate here.

I'd honestly steer well clear of this one or anything that looks vaguely like a defense of the TERFblocker list etc, personally. The stuff about the Challenors is very real, very disturbing, and... well... an exhibit A example of how laws and inclusion mechanisms designed to protect trans people have been exploited by criminals and paedophiles acting in bad faith.

I'm all but certain that it wasn't your intent to highlight the Challenors/TERFblocker.

No, me neither

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https://i2.wp.com/media.tumblr.com/t...8Aj1qm965h.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Challenor

Just to clarify - whether or not it's true that Challenor is behind the TERFblocker programme, the facts are;

- TERFblocker exists and in many people's belief is linked to Challenor and was used extensively during that controversy.

- The Challenor family has links with things that are frankly unthinkable

- H from Steps used TERFblocker on his account, and thus The #BlockedByHfromSteps hashtag has become synonymous with TERFblocker.


...thus there is a link, if an indirect one. The "headline" is sensationalist and somewhat misleading, but it isn't factually false. You'd have to take everyone using the hashtag to court for defamation.

So H from steps is definitely linked to the rape and torture of a 10yr old girl? Even tenuously, and that's what we're going with?

To offer some balance and at the risk of discussing something that might also be branded transphobic... if you read into the Challenors and Aimee it's quite clear, to me, that Aimee is likely a quite troubled individual and that her actions, as well as her transgender status, is most likely a result of childhood trauma at the hands of her monstrous father. This is why I generally think balance and proper assessment is so important. The Twitter Mob have Aimee Chellonor painted as a "weirdo accomplice" to the father and implicated in his crimes. I would counter that Aimee is almost certainly another of his victims, in some way or other.

The link from #BlockedbyHfromSteps to the Challenors isn't tenuous at all, though it would have been more honest to say, "what links being blocked by H from steps to this man". It's a clear and direct link if you know the context, I think part of the issue here is that for anyone who doesn't know the context none of it makes much sense at all. The issues then are the sensationalism and the lack of context.

I see we’re into the linking gay men to sex offenders portion of the anti-trans debate, what a joy this forum has become

It was Slim wot done it, there's a reason I said I'd simply steer well clear of the #BlockedByHFromSteps / TERFblocker debate. The pathway is clear and well worn - yes the tweeter knew exactly what he was doing when he made the tweet (generating outrage/sensationalism with the casual hints of homophobia) but the intent was clearly to re-highlight TERFblocker and the Challenor link, not H from Steps. And sharing it... does just that.

He used an app. SB and slim linked to Epstein's island (if bills visits there are ever brought fully into daylight) as their use of windows becomes public knowledge.

Where?

I cant follow the tweet thread at all, or at least I gave up at terfblocker ..

Basically - The guy in the first tweet who is a paedophile/sex offender made some app that blocks "terfs" on twitter so must have compiled some sort of list of people/accounts he considers to be Terfs, H from Steps must have blocked a load of twitter accounts recently so Graham (and others?) assumed that he used this block list app thing that the sex offender guy made and that's "the link" (I think that's it)

Yes but as I said above, multiple people noticed that they had been randomly blocked by a celebrity (H from Steps) despite never having any interaction with him, and that's what led to the discovery of the app, and the #BlockedByH meme.

Again I recognise that all of this assumes a level of background knowledge that many people seeing those tweets are not going to have, nor could they be expected to, and I acknowledge that he was deliberately trying to make that "gay people are linked to child molesters" link as mentioned by Liam, to generate deliberate outrage.

I think the whole thing is just a massive dog whistle to his own followers in all honesty.

Well... sort of.

The app was supposedly made or at least promoted by the daughter (trans woman, also a now-disgraced politician) of the offender, not the offender himself.

The daughter also has other links to child sex fetishism (hence being a now-disgraced politician). Also Stonewall.

H from Steps, or whoever controls his Twitter if he doesn't do it himself, definitely used the block list.

A lot of people have alerts set that show them who they've been blocked by - these people noticed they'd suddenly all been blocked by H from Steps

#BlockedByHFromSteps started trending

It was sleuthed that it was "TERFblocker" that had been used

Unfortunately forever linking TERFblocker with the hashtag about H from Steps.


Caveats being;

- It might not even have been made by Aimee Challenor

- Even if it was, people using it would have had no way of knowing that at the time

- Even if they did know of her involvement, people wouldn't necessarily have known who she is, what her history is or about her family (there is actually even more to that part of it)



It IS a tenuous link but I still maintain that the link exists because of the hashtag, and the hashtag long predates this tweet from Graham Linehan, though he is exploiting it. :shrug:


tl;dr MURKY AS **** and no one comes off well talking about this stuff so it should be left to rot along with the chap in prison.

Thanks SB, in conclusion Twitter is a filthy cesspit

An interesting discussion to pass the afternoon though, good job Slim :love:

I wont be listening to Steps anymore

that them done

So nobody really knows who created it, but people are happy to just guess and assume it was created by this bloke who’s in prison and now people are content for an innocent man to once again be linked to a sex offender for no reason, seems on brand for the people involved

Who in this thread said they were happy for him to be linked to it?

Is he trying to compare H to the sick **** from Lostprophets?

No but that's what I thought initially too :laugh:

So I'm glad it weren't just me then.:joker:

But looking at what this thread is really about, how can H be held accountable for what someone else does? That sounds really unfair to me.

No but one of the papers did that by accident (not just compared him, but mistakenly said it WAS him) and that was DEFINITELY a libel case :umm2:.

Well there is a reason, it's just a convoluted and not very good reason.

I suppose important not to conflate "reason" with "justification". I would agree that there's no justification for making the link or furthering it by posting tweets like the one in question. That's a different discussion though when it comes down to it... "Is there a link" vs "did he do anything wrong and thus is it fair to highlight that link". Yes to the first, no to the second :shrug:.

No there’s not a link, because you admitted nobody knows who created the function, it’s just a ‘belief’ without any proof which has lead to him being wrongly associated with a sex offender again, it’s ridiculous and I’m actually quite shocked that you’ve fallen so far as to defend it tbh