[The Slim Reaper]

Is this ok?

[Niamh.]

Yes

He got the wrong Ian Watkins is it?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes

He got the wrong Ian Watkins is it?

No - if you click on the tweet you can read his thread. He gets to about tweet 12 or 13 before he acknowledges there's nothing there, and he pretends that using "may" in the first tweet is his cover.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No - if you click on the tweet you can read his thread. He gets to about tweet 12 or 13 before he acknowledges there's nothing there, and he pretends that using "may" in the first tweet is his cover.

He was saying he used a block list created by the other guy in the picture (but was wrong about that it seems) Probably should have edited his first tweet then. Can you edit tweets?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He was saying he used a block list created by the other guy in the picture (but was wrong about that it seems) Probably should have edited his first tweet then. Can you edit tweets?

I think so.

Do you not see how disingenuous the claim vs reality is? He knew what he was doing. Come on, this isn't an issue of editing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think so.

Do you not see how disingenuous the claim vs reality is? He knew what he was doing. Come on, this isn't an issue of editing.

Ah yeah, it's a very "click bait" type first tweet to get people to read on for sure and yes unfair to H from Steps definitely

[Niamh.]

Oh no, something about a block list?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Is this ok?

What is it?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

What is it?

Yes

[The Slim Reaper]

[Oliver_W]

So H was using a blocklist, possibly one made by a predator? Downloading a piece of software doesn't make someone connected to its creator. Invoking a celebrity ("celebrity") is unnecessary, he could have simply talked abojt how the blocklist itself was made by the bloke.

[user104658]

It's definitely designed to be clickbait and I doubt there will be legal repercussions, as mainstream publications do this literally every day. That's not to say that I agree with the practice, just that it's not at all unusual.

"IS PRINCE HARRY LINKED TO THE RUSSIAN MAFIA???"

Then 3 pages of waffle before "...no he isn't." This also doesn't originate from Graham Linehan, the "BlockedByHFromSteps" hashtag goes back a while and is how people discovered the "TERFblocker" list - the way to check if one is on said list, is to check if one is blocked by H from Steps. There is a genuine reason for the link and whether or not it's slanderous, it doesn't originate here.

I'd honestly steer well clear of this one or anything that looks vaguely like a defense of the TERFblocker list etc, personally. The stuff about the Challenors is very real, very disturbing, and... well... an exhibit A example of how laws and inclusion mechanisms designed to protect trans people have been exploited by criminals and paedophiles acting in bad faith.

I'm all but certain that it wasn't your intent to highlight the Challenors/TERFblocker.

[The Slim Reaper]

So H from steps is definitely linked to the rape and torture of a 10yr old girl? Even tenuously, and that's what we're going with?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So H from steps is definitely linked to the rape and torture of a 10yrt old girl? Even tenuously, and that's what we're going with?

The link from #BlockedbyHfromSteps to the Challenors isn't tenuous at all, though it would have been more honest to say, "what links being blocked by H from steps to this man". It's a clear and direct link if you know the context, I think part of the issue here is that for anyone who doesn't know the context none of it makes much sense at all. The issues then are the sensationalism and the lack of context.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The link from #BlockedbyHfromSteps to the Challenors isn't tenuous at all, though it would have been more honest to say, "what links being blocked by H from steps to this man". It's a clear and direct link if you know the context, I think part of the issue here is that for anyone who doesn't know the context none of it makes much sense at all. The issues then are the sensationalism and the lack of context.

He used an app. SB and slim linked to Epstein's island (if bills visits there are ever brought fully into daylight) as their use of windows becomes public knowledge.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He used an app. SB and slim linked to Epstein's island (if bills visits there are ever brought fully into daylight) as their use of windows becomes public knowledge.

Yes but as I said above, multiple people noticed that they had been randomly blocked by a celebrity (H from Steps) despite never having any interaction with him, and that's what led to the discovery of the app, and the #BlockedByH meme.

Again I recognise that all of this assumes a level of background knowledge that many people seeing those tweets are not going to have, nor could they be expected to, and I acknowledge that he was deliberately trying to make that "gay people are linked to child molesters" link as mentioned by Liam, to generate deliberate outrage.

I think the whole thing is just a massive dog whistle to his own followers in all honesty.

[user104658]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Challenor

Just to clarify - whether or not it's true that Challenor is behind the TERFblocker programme, the facts are;

- TERFblocker exists and in many people's belief is linked to Challenor and was used extensively during that controversy.

- The Challenor family has links with things that are frankly unthinkable

- H from Steps used TERFblocker on his account, and thus The #BlockedByHfromSteps hashtag has become synonymous with TERFblocker.


...thus there is a link, if an indirect one. The "headline" is sensationalist and somewhat misleading, but it isn't factually false. You'd have to take everyone using the hashtag to court for defamation.

[user104658]

To offer some balance and at the risk of discussing something that might also be branded transphobic... if you read into the Challenors and Aimee it's quite clear, to me, that Aimee is likely a quite troubled individual and that her actions, as well as her transgender status, is most likely a result of childhood trauma at the hands of her monstrous father. This is why I generally think balance and proper assessment is so important. The Twitter Mob have Aimee Chellonor painted as a "weirdo accomplice" to the father and implicated in his crimes. I would counter that Aimee is almost certainly another of his victims, in some way or other.

[Liam-]

I see we’re into the linking gay men to sex offenders portion of the anti-trans debate, what a joy this forum has become

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I see we’re into the linking gay men to sex offenders portion of the anti-trans debate, what a joy this forum has become

It was Slim wot done it, there's a reason I said I'd simply steer well clear of the #BlockedByHFromSteps / TERFblocker debate. The pathway is clear and well worn - yes the tweeter knew exactly what he was doing when he made the tweet (generating outrage/sensationalism with the casual hints of homophobia) but the intent was clearly to re-highlight TERFblocker and the Challenor link, not H from Steps. And sharing it... does just that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I see we’re into the linking gay men to sex offenders portion of the anti-trans debate, what a joy this forum has become

Where?

[Cherie]

I cant follow the tweet thread at all, or at least I gave up at terfblocker ..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I cant follow the tweet thread at all, or at least I gave up at terfblocker ..

Basically - The guy in the first tweet who is a paedophile/sex offender made some app that blocks "terfs" on twitter so must have compiled some sort of list of people/accounts he considers to be Terfs, H from Steps must have blocked a load of twitter accounts recently so Graham (and others?) assumed that he used this block list app thing that the sex offender guy made and that's "the link" (I think that's it)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Basically - The guy in the first tweet who is a paedophile/sex offender made some app that blocks "terfs" on twitter so must have compiled some sort of list of people/accounts he considers to be Terfs, H from Steps must have blocked a load of twitter accounts recently so Graham (and others?) assumed that he used this block list app thing that the sex offender guy made and that's "the link" (I think that's it)

Well... sort of.

The app was supposedly made or at least promoted by the daughter (trans woman, also a now-disgraced politician) of the offender, not the offender himself.

The daughter also has other links to child sex fetishism (hence being a now-disgraced politician). Also Stonewall.

H from Steps, or whoever controls his Twitter if he doesn't do it himself, definitely used the block list.

A lot of people have alerts set that show them who they've been blocked by - these people noticed they'd suddenly all been blocked by H from Steps

#BlockedByHFromSteps started trending

It was sleuthed that it was "TERFblocker" that had been used

Unfortunately forever linking TERFblocker with the hashtag about H from Steps.


Caveats being;

- It might not even have been made by Aimee Challenor

- Even if it was, people using it would have had no way of knowing that at the time

- Even if they did know of her involvement, people wouldn't necessarily have known who she is, what her history is or about her family (there is actually even more to that part of it)



It IS a tenuous link but I still maintain that the link exists because of the hashtag, and the hashtag long predates this tweet from Graham Linehan, though he is exploiting it.


tl;dr MURKY AS **** and no one comes off well talking about this stuff so it should be left to rot along with the chap in prison.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I see we’re into the linking gay men to sex offenders portion of the anti-trans debate, what a joy this forum has become

Blame the sig ,not the whole forum maybe??.

And at the time H from steps was mixed up with the predator from lost prophets,due to them having the same name . So yeah it's horrible ,but people with common sense was correcting it anyway.