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Crimson Dynamo 31-07-2023 01:57 PM

Gay man couple kicking up stink as Christian painter says NO
 
Gay couple reveal they've made a complaint against Christian painter who
'refused to decorate their home because of their sexuality'


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07...0797665145.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07...0800844406.jpg

2 of them in the house and they cant even paint one room?

Joshua and George, who declined to give their surnames, explained how the
tradeswoman sent them a text saying she couldn't carry out the job due to
'recommended guidelines' at her church.

Joshua, 23, said he was 'gobsmacked' and 'seething' so took to Twitter to tell
of his experience (as you do), in messages that have been viewed and
shared thousands of times.

The couple say they have since made a complaint to the trading website
where they found her services, which they hope will raise awareness about
religion.

But while many urged them to publicly reveal the identity of the decorator in
question, they admitted concerns over 'naming and shaming' on social
media.

Joshua told LGBTQ magazine Attitude (again, as you do): 'I don't necessarily
feel comfortable holding the doors, and opening the floodgates. I have this
person's details. If I wanted to, yes, I could release them.

Joshua and his 26-year-old partner wanted their bedroom painted at the two-
bed terrace home in Bristol which they bought in June last year.

After finding the decorator online, Joshua asked her round for a quote but
claims to have noticed her attitude change when he mentioned George.

'We were in the master bedroom when she asked if my partner was in and I
replied 'no he's not' that I first thought something was wrong,' he told ITV News. (once again as you do)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shame-her.html

bots 31-07-2023 02:00 PM

Someone wants there 10 mins of fame

user104658 31-07-2023 02:02 PM

My stance on this is pretty firm these days; no one who is offering a service should be able to refuse that service based on who is requesting the service. Too many issues are too polarised, it becomes ridiculous.

Obviously no one should have to work somewhere they feel genuinely unsafe, but that's it IMO. Christian cake bakers and all. If you can't suck up personal beliefs and be professional, don't trade.

arista 31-07-2023 02:05 PM

It's her Church
that sets her Rules.



Pointless of them fellas
to take it to the press.

bots 31-07-2023 02:06 PM

the thing is that the person who refused wanted to make a point. There are 100 different reasons for refusing work that don't imply any principle at all.

Liam- 31-07-2023 02:06 PM

Refusing a service based on someone’s sexuality is discrimination and there are laws against that, helping to spread a message that they don’t believe in due to their faith is one thing, outright denying service because of someone’s sexuality is completely different

Crimson Dynamo 31-07-2023 02:08 PM

why not just say sorry you cant do it and recommend a mate who can?

dropping in you are a Christian just opens yourself up to this

Swan 31-07-2023 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11313527)
My stance on this is pretty firm these days; no one who is offering a service should be able to refuse that service based on who is requesting the service. Too many issues are too polarised, it becomes ridiculous.

Obviously no one should have to work somewhere they feel genuinely unsafe, but that's it IMO. Christian cake bakers and all. If you can't suck up personal beliefs and be professional, don't trade.

It's messy i'll give you that. But it's not as clear cut as that (BIB). I mean, what if a convicted peado on the sex offenders register wanted a conservatory built and the builder refused his business?

We pander to all religion in this country. It comes down to that "we have the right to refuse service to anyone" disclaimer most business have at the end of the day.

Crimson Dynamo 31-07-2023 02:10 PM

If the painter turned up in Muslim garb and sent that message do you think the gay couple would have kicked up a stink?

no, neither do I

:rolleyes:

Swan 31-07-2023 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11313531)
why not just say sorry you cant do it and recommend a mate who can?

dropping in you are a Christian just opens yourself up to this

Yeah it's stupid, just say you have too much on and offer the job to a mate. Quite straight forward.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11313534)
If the painter turned up in Muslim garb and sent that message do you think the gay couple would have kicked up a stink?

no, neither do I

:rolleyes:

Probably not.

Glenn. 31-07-2023 02:15 PM

I’d had said thank you for letting me know what a nutcase you are and found a sane person to do the job instead.

arista 31-07-2023 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11313530)
Refusing a service based on someone’s sexuality is discrimination and there are laws against that, helping to spread a message that they don’t believe in due to their faith is one thing, outright denying service because of someone’s sexuality is completely different


Not if
she is Ruled by Her Church


Get it in Court

The Church Lady would win
Slick Liam.

arista 31-07-2023 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11313537)
I’d had said thank you for letting me know what a nutcase you are and found a sane person to do the job instead.



Yes Glenn
never mix with a Strict Church Lady

user104658 31-07-2023 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 11313532)
It's messy i'll give you that. But it's not as clear cut as that (BIB). I mean, what if a convicted peado on the sex offenders register wanted a conservatory built and the builder refused his business?

We pander to all religion in this country. It comes down to that "we have the right to refuse service to anyone" disclaimer most business have at the end of the day.

I actually considered that in my thinking ... and no I don't think a builder should be able to refuse a job purely because of a moral or personal issue with the client. There is some wiggle room in what I said about feeling safe - if someone is a convicted criminal or someone who is known to be a risk to others/violent then that's another thing entirely and I think it would be legitimate to say you don't feel safe working in a convicted sex offender's home and so won't be accepting the job.

That said ... I don't think shops, cafes, bars etc. should be able to refuse service to people with criminal records unless there's a very specific reason.

Again my thinking doesn't come down to sympathy, more that I don't think the world will continue to work for very long if everyone just starts leaning into their tribe.

To use an allegory - if you're in a small village and there's a "christian" café that "wont serve gay people", and so a gay couple open a rival café that "refuses to serve TERFs" ... you don't end up with two competing cafes in that village... you end up with zero cafes.

Liam- 31-07-2023 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11313538)
Not if
she is Ruled by Her Church


Get it in Court

The Church Lady would win
Slick Liam.

You can’t be forced to spread or ‘condone’ messages that go against your personal religious beliefs, but you can’t deny people service strictly based on their sexuality, whether you’re a member of the church or not, that’s just good old fashioned discrimination

bots 31-07-2023 02:26 PM

it's pretty much exactly the same as the bakery case

Liam- 31-07-2023 02:28 PM

It’s nothing like the bakery case

Crimson Dynamo 31-07-2023 02:28 PM

The biggest shock for me was finding out that Cherie had picked up the brushes again

Her and that paint-spattered Hitachi FM/AM radio are inseparable

bots 31-07-2023 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11313543)
It’s nothing like the bakery case

of course it is

Crimson Dynamo 31-07-2023 02:29 PM

Id like to know how she knew they were gay?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07...0797665145.jpg

user104658 31-07-2023 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11313547)
Id like to know how she knew they were gay?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07...0797665145.jpg

You jest but these days this could easily be two straight male friends :shrug:.

Liam- 31-07-2023 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11313546)
of course it is

It really isn’t, not wanting to create something that will take centre stage of a ceremony you don’t agree with for religious reasons and not wanting to paint the walls of gay peoples houses are not comparable

bots 31-07-2023 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11313550)
It really isn’t, not wanting to create something that will take centre stage of a ceremony you don’t agree with for religious reasons and not wanting to paint the walls of gay peoples houses are not comparable

both are providing a service that they are legally allowed to refuse.

arista 31-07-2023 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11313541)
You can’t be forced to spread or ‘condone’ messages that go against your personal religious beliefs, but you can’t deny people service strictly based on their sexuality, whether you’re a member of the church or not, that’s just good old fashioned discrimination


No
her Strict Church does not agree with Gays


Get it in Court
Slick Liam, she can Win

Liam- 31-07-2023 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11313551)
both are providing a service that they are legally allowed to refuse.

Refusing service based purely on someone’s sexuality or race, is not covered by law

Crimson Dynamo 31-07-2023 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11313549)
You jest but these days this could easily be two straight male friends :shrug:.

https://media.tenor.com/E-xwdW3OEvoAAAAC/well-damn.gif

MTVN 31-07-2023 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11313547)
Id like to know how she knew they were gay?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07...0797665145.jpg

:joker:

user104658 31-07-2023 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11313551)
both are providing a service that they are legally allowed to refuse.

IIRC this is actually not the case - the wedding cake precedent is a tricky one. They're legally allowed to refuse because of their religious beliefs about marriage, not because of their religious beliefs about people being gay.

It might seem to be a small distinction but it's really not.

That said, I still stand by what I said before - if you can't put personal beliefs aside in order to bake a cake for whoever orders a cake, then step out of the game and make space in the market for a baker who will cater to everyone.

Like I can understand refusing to put a groom & groom topper on it - just say, we don't and have no plans to stock those - but they should still make the cake and give it to them to decorate as they please.

I know that's not how it went legally. But again - that was very specifically related to the marriage aspect, not just the personal lives of the customers.

MTVN 31-07-2023 02:47 PM

In a job like this you can pick and choose who you work for tbh, it's not an essential service

I'm sure loads of tradespeople refuse to work for people they don't like, they just tell them they're too busy for the job or don't have the resources blah blah blah. That's what she should have said really rather than make it a bigotry issue

arista 31-07-2023 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11313549)
You jest but these days this could easily be two straight male friends :shrug:.


Some Gays act a certain way
it must have alerted her Strict Religious Values



Please Note: Being Gay is Fine

Liam- 31-07-2023 02:50 PM

I personally agree with Glenn, I’d have just moved on and went to someone else as I really don’t have the patience or energy to deal with people like that, but I do enjoy seeing people who do have the energy

arista 31-07-2023 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11313566)
I personally agree with Glenn, I’d have just moved on and went to someone else as I really don’t have the patience or energy to deal with people like that, but I do enjoy seeing people who do have the energy


Thats the spirit
Slick Liam.

user104658 31-07-2023 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11313561)
Some Gays act a certain way
it must have alerted her Strict Religious Values

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...wxOZ/giphy.gif


It's still daft. It's not like they were asking her to paint a giant mural of Jesus with his cock out.

Liam- 31-07-2023 02:52 PM

But I can just see the faux outrage if a gay person refused to do work for a religious person or organisation, there would endless daily mail front pages and seething, dribbling videos from the likes of Farage, Hopkins and Shapiro

user104658 31-07-2023 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11313570)
But I can just see the faux outrage if a gay person refused to do work for a religious person or organisation, there would endless daily mail front pages and seething, dribbling videos from the likes of Farage, Hopkins and Shapiro

Depends on the religion. :whistle: .... ... ... ... I mean I'm not going to say it but ... ... ... we know it would go worse if it was ... one of them.

Swan 31-07-2023 02:57 PM

The painter wanted to make a stand for sure, which i don't agree with. There was really no need to give the guys a reason based on his religious beliefs.

Wait, is Farage homophobic? I've never seen anything like that coming from him. Hopkins yes, not too sure about Shaprio as i can't listen to him for more than a minute or two as his fast speech grinds me.

arista 31-07-2023 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11313569)
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It's still daft. It's not like they were asking her to paint a giant mural of Jesus with his cock out.



Of Course
Professor SB
but the Strict Church Lady Worker
picked up the Vibe from them.

Crimson Dynamo 31-07-2023 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11313575)
Of Course
Professor SB
but the Strict Church Lady Worker
picked up the Vibe from them.

Id imagine it was the Holy Ghost that dwelt within her?

bots 31-07-2023 03:03 PM

i know LT doesn't sell to celtic supporters on ebay

Oliver_W 31-07-2023 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11313537)
I’d had said thank you for letting me know what a nutcase you are and found a sane person to do the job instead.

Agreed.

It wouldn't even occur to me to go crying to news outlets about it. Just take the rejection and go to someone less stupid.


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