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Riz 28-10-2007 04:46 PM

Rhydian LEAVES... UPDATE his back.
 
After Rhydian watched the show, and how they portrayed him and betrayed him in the editing. He did not want to be any part of the show, and failed to turn up at the finalists mansion last night.

Update:

He was bribed to return, and told he will not be edited during the live show, and can win over the public with his own sob stories.

SOURCE

Red Moon 28-10-2007 04:48 PM

Pathetic man. His acting like a baby and not a grown man and throwing his toys out of his pram.

XxShortyxX 28-10-2007 05:13 PM

Oh god, I can see him winning from getting the symphony vote here, I hope not, I can't stand him! He is so sickly, good singer he may be, but he just isn't like able.

Ruth*Star 28-10-2007 05:15 PM

Oh Gosh thats so done for Sympathy, :bored:.

James 28-10-2007 05:37 PM

Umm, what's the source of this story? It looks like that site wrote it.

MarkWaldorf 28-10-2007 05:42 PM

I thought this happened a few weeks back?

Dan_ 28-10-2007 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by MarkChap?!
I thought this happened a few weeks back?
That's what I thought.

It makes no sense now, he's only getting positive feedback :puzzled:.

Bells 28-10-2007 06:40 PM

I'm confused. Based on what I've seen of Rhydian, he doesn't seem the type to do that. Sure he's called a drama queen, but I think that's more because of his weirdness and eccentric persona, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't know why he'd leave for sympathy, because it's not like it'd do him any good; instead, it'd jeopardise his chance of living his dream... despite any phone calls he may be getting from Andrew Lloyd Webber etc.

This week he did well anyway, IMO. Of course it was weird, but his performance was good. And I think Dannii would be panicking if Rhydian made any rash decisions, as he's her only act in my view who can go pretty far.

James 28-10-2007 06:57 PM

I think that story is made up, it doesn't appear anywhere else. I haven't been watching all of X Factor so far but from what I've seen Rhydian is the only one with the X Factor in the truest sense of the term.

Callum 28-10-2007 07:04 PM

Idiot. Get him out of there, everytime I see him I wanna punch the tv screen.

Captain.Remy 28-10-2007 07:07 PM

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Message original : James
I think that story is made up, it doesn't appear anywhere else. I haven't been watching all of X Factor so far but from what I've seen Rhydian is the only one with the X Factor in the truest sense of the term.
I do agree, he's one of the best contestant this year, he has such an amazing voice. He looks weird but he's deffo a good singer.

Red Moon 28-10-2007 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by James
Rhydian is the only one with the X Factor in the truest sense of the term.
I agree he has got the X Factor but he is in the wrong show.

If it was the X Factor was does Opera then he would make a worthy winner, but it is not and his sort of style of singing really isn't suited to the format of the show. For that reason alone he really shouldn't win this years show unless he can prove himself to be more than an opera singer trying to do pop.

Conzors 28-10-2007 07:12 PM

I Really cant stand him.

hes a 1 trick pony ( i think thats the right expression)

he turns all typed into his own operah thingie me mob.

Captain.Remy 28-10-2007 07:13 PM

Quote:

Message original : Red Moon
Quote:

Originally posted by James
Rhydian is the only one with the X Factor in the truest sense of the term.
I agree he has got the X Factor but he is in the wrong show.

If it was the X Factor was does Opera then he would make a worthy winner, but it is not and his sort of style of singing really isn't suited to the format of the show. For that reason alone he really shouldn't win this years show unless he can prove himself to be more than an opera singer trying to do pop.
I think that having an opera singer as winner would be a good thing, it changes. He will go very far. He has something different, it's like he isn't in the group.

Bells 28-10-2007 07:15 PM

I don't think he's trying to do pop, personally...

The thing with Rhydian is that he sings what he is comfortable with and shows that he has a powerful voice... TXF shouldn't have a particular song bracket. If Same Difference can sing something from HSM, then Rhydian's entitled to do a Phantom of the Opera.

From his voice he has shown that he is definitely capable. Conzors - I don't think the song Rhydian sang last week was opera, but perhaps because of his strong, powerful voice you could liken the sound to it. I don't think that should be held against him though. The fact that he is unique also makes him more appealing to some. I think he is extremely weird to be honest, but I don't hold that against him as I know he has talent... unique talent as well.

Captain.Remy 28-10-2007 07:18 PM

He shouldn't sing pop. His voice is too intense and strong. Imagine him singing 'born to be alive", that's not possible. I think that an artist should stay in his comfort zone, people must accept and he shouldn't change.

XxShortyxX 28-10-2007 07:20 PM

He can sing, but I still say Niki is a better singer then him, because she can sing anything, where all he sings is Opera, which I don't like anyway lol

Red Moon 28-10-2007 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Ash
I don't think he's trying to do pop, personally...

The thing with Rhydian is that he sings what he is comfortable with and shows that he has a powerful voice... TXF shouldn't have a particular song bracket. If Same Difference can sing something from HSM, then Rhydian's entitled to do a Phantom of the Opera.

From his voice he has shown that he is definitely capable. Conzors - I don't think the song Rhydian sang last week was opera, but perhaps because of his strong, powerful voice you could liken the sound to it. I don't think that should be held against him though. The fact that he is unique also makes him more appealing to some. I think he is extremely weird to be honest, but I don't hold that against him as I know he has talent... unique talent as well.
I agree he is very talented and he is an amazing singer and performer. He has it in him to be one of the best, if not the best performers in Musical Theatre for years to come.

If he is an X Factor winner is clearly debatable.

He is not going to transform the world of pop because his style is not in and it is unlikely to be in. His style is distinctly classical. Yes he will get a fan base but it's not going to huge. He isn't going to be the greatest pop star the world has every seen.

What's more if he doesn't become the greatest pop star the world has ever seen he will get bored and do something else. He won't stick at it. There must be a reason he is doing the X Factor and if it wasn't to show he could sing other stuff why is he doing it?

Redmond 28-10-2007 07:32 PM

The story looks a bit dodgy anyway, but even if it is true I wouldn't blame the guy, they edited him really badly during the audition shows, since the live shows where they can't edit him you can tell he's a decent chap, who is grateful and appreciative.

The cocky one is Emily, going to her head somewhat I think. :)

And the real 'creepy' ones are Same Difference...brother and sister right?

Bells 28-10-2007 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by Red Moon

I agree he is very talented and he is an amazing singer and performer. He has it in him to be one of the best, if not the best performers in Musical Theatre for years to come.

If he is an X Factor winner is clearly debatable.

He is not going to transform the world of pop because his style is not in and it is unlikely to be in. His style is distinctly classical. Yes he will get a fan base but it's not going to huge. He isn't going to be the greatest pop star the world has every seen.

What's more if he doesn't become the greatest pop star the world has ever seen he will get bored and do something else. He won't stick at it. There must be a reason he is doing the X Factor and if it wasn't to show he could sing other stuff why is he doing it?
I see what you're saying now.
He isn't the sort of person you'd expect to win the X Factor and hence get a record deal singing songs like you hear in the charts.

However, I do think that there should be more variety within the show, and you can equally have the X Factor even if you don't win it, if you're someone like Rhydian. Because I really think he does. Also, I think he's doing it simply to show his talent, in whatever form he chooses. That's the impression I got anyway. It's a shame that his chances of winning are partly decreased because of how he sings as well as everything else, but that's the way the show seems to go. I still think he could enjoy the benefits of winning a show like the X Factor - and justifiably so - but not necessarily become a 'pop star'.

I can't see it happening though, mainly because I am also a fan of Niki and Hope who seem to be appealing more to viewers. Niki also does have a better voice. That, however, just happens to be the case - if they weren't in the competition I'd be disappointed if Rhydian didn't win due to the reasons I stated above.

Red Moon 28-10-2007 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ash
I see what you're saying now.
He isn't the sort of person you'd expect to win the X Factor and hence get a record deal singing songs like you hear in the charts.

However, I do think that there should be more variety within the show, and you can equally have the X Factor even if you don't win it, if you're someone like Rhydian. Because I really think he does. Also, I think he's doing it simply to show his talent, in whatever form he chooses. That's the impression I got anyway. It's a shame that his chances of winning are partly decreased because of how he sings as well as everything else, but that's the way the show seems to go. I still think he could enjoy the benefits of winning a show like the X Factor - and justifiably so - but not necessarily become a 'pop star'.

I can't see it happening though, mainly because I am also a fan of Niki and Hope who seem to be appealing more to viewers. Niki also does have a better voice. That, however, just happens to be the case - if they weren't in the competition I'd be disappointed if Rhydian didn't win due to the reasons I stated above.
I agree totally including the bit about Niki and Hope.

However, I'm not sure that the X-Factor needs more variety. There are other shows like "Britain has got Talent" that do have that wider base in which he would fit perfectly. I think he did the X-Factor because it has a bigger audience base than some thing like "Britain has got Talent" and he feels that he is guaranteed more coverage in the press know he will reach more people.

I'm not a big Opera fan, although I have seen some opera's in the past and have been impressed by some of the performers, however one thing I know is that the opera community will be loving the exposer to a younger audience that his appearances in the X Factor is bring to their art form. It's got to be good for them.

Dan_ 28-10-2007 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
He can sing, but I still say Niki is a better singer then him, because she can sing anything, where all he sings is Opera, which I don't like anyway lol
It's still questionable as to whether Niki can sing anything, she's mainly done ballads which are well in her comfort zone.Perhaps something like an up-tempo rock song would be a challenge too far for her.

Rhydian sung ABBA in his audition and did a meatloaf song last week.He might only sing in a opera style but that's just his voice and he's adapted it to singing different genre's of song.

Red Moon 28-10-2007 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_
It's still questionable as to whether Niki can sing anything, she's mainly done ballads which are well in her comfort zone.Perhaps something like an up-tempo rock song would be a challenge too far for her.

Rhydian sung ABBA in his audition and did a meatloaf song last week.He might only sing in a opera style but that's just his voice and he's adapted it to singing different genre's of song.
I guess we see what happens when they are both taken out of their comfort zones in the coming weeks. We have the big band sound next week and that should be a challenge for Rhydian, it a different style of music altogether from opera. It will be harder for him to adapt a song.

As for Niki there is sure to be a rock type theme at sometime which will challenge her in the coming weeks.

The thing about Niki I find rather incredible is her ability to convey emotion. The performance on Saturdays show was very moving. It made your spin tingle.

CassetteFinger 28-10-2007 11:29 PM

I like Rhydian he has the best male voice there FACT.

Red Moon 28-10-2007 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rice_Square
I like Rhydian he has the best male voice there FACT.
But does he have the best singing style?

Matt 28-10-2007 11:32 PM

He's got a good voice, no doubt about that, but as Red says, I dislike his style.

CassetteFinger 29-10-2007 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Red Moon
Quote:

Originally posted by Rice_Square
I like Rhydian he has the best male voice there FACT.
But does he have the best singing style?
Yeah its different and he sounds good.

Captain.Remy 29-10-2007 06:01 AM

It's different because we haven't listen something like that before but after all, the X Factor is all about revealing new talents and new styles.

Red Moon 29-10-2007 07:22 AM

The X Factor is a talent show contested by aspiring pop singers. When was opera pop music?

Well, you have to go back to the 19th century and in particular the last part of 19th century century and then I think you would find it starting to compete against the popular music of the musical halls and losing.

Well done to Rhydian for bring the style to the masses but I beg to differ that his style of music is what the X Factor is about.

Redmond 29-10-2007 09:04 AM

Opera sells a lot, it's not my personal taste but I don't see why X Factor shouldn't cater for that taste. It's boring X-Factor because most of the acts are too similar, all singing safe songs, all have their half-arsed sob stories and fall nicely into that 'pop music' category which is just plain dull, that's why I've never watched this show fully before, but Rhydian is something different, he definitely can sing but also he's an all round showman, he can put on a great performance as well as sing. Nikki has a good voice but what else? A stupid sob story, I don't see how you could market her, Rhydian falls right into a specific market one that X Factor doesn't usually cater for so he would be an interesting winner. And then the only other good singer is Beverly.

The rest are crap really, they're the type of singers that if you saw in a pub on the karaoke machine you'd probably say "they have an alright voice"..but you wouldn't say "I NEED to hear more of this person, they NEED to make albums!". They're just alright singers, nothing special to them.

MarkWaldorf 29-10-2007 09:10 AM

G4 were opera based and went on to sell quite a lot of records.

XxShortyxX 29-10-2007 09:15 AM

At the end if the day, they can't edit him to make him look argant and big headed, he does that all by himself with what he says, he thinks he is god's gift, he is with out any doubt the best male singer, but I think Niki is better then him, plus she has a nicer personality.

Mrluvaluva 29-10-2007 10:05 AM

Rhydian is nauseating. He only has 1 style, and that is for appearing in musicals. He would be great in "The Phantom of the Opera" or something like that. He does not have the X-Factor and I really cannot see him winning the competition at all.

Red Moon 29-10-2007 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
Opera sells a lot, it's not my personal taste but I don't see why X Factor shouldn't cater for that taste.
The problem with that is it opens up all kinds bags of worms. We could end up with Country Singers, Jazz Singers, Tribal Singers, Folk Singers and so on. Eventually the show degrades to a simple singing talent show rather than a search for the next popular star.

Quote:

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
At the end if the day, they can't edit him to make him look argant and big headed, he does that all by himself with what he says, he thinks he is god's gift, he is with out any doubt the best male singer, but I think Niki is better then him, plus she has a nicer personality.
I must agree he said the things they showed us. It a typical case of someone seeing themselves on the small screen and not liking what they saw.

Quote:

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Rhydian is nauseating. He only has 1 style, and that is for appearing in musicals. He would be great in "The Phantom of the Opera" or something like that. He does not have the X-Factor and I really cannot see him winning the competition at all.
He can't win the show because he sings the wrong style of music for the show. I can see him going far but his not really a X Factor contestant as such. He not what they are really looking for.

Captain.Remy 29-10-2007 11:29 AM

Quote:

Message original : Red Moon
Quote:

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
Opera sells a lot, it's not my personal taste but I don't see why X Factor shouldn't cater for that taste.
The problem with that is it opens up all kinds bags of worms. We could end up with Country Singers, Jazz Singers, Tribal Singers, Folk Singers and so on. Eventually the show degrades to a simple singing talent show rather than a search for the next popular star.
But don't you think it's good sometimes to meet some new talents, new styles except the same boring pop star singers who sell only because of the teenagers ?
It would be good to see someone with a different musical universe winning instead of having the same type of young, pretty, nice and boring winners.

Red Moon 29-10-2007 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sunshine30
But don't you think it's good sometimes to meet some new talents, new styles except the same boring pop star singers who sell only because of the teenagers ?
It would be good to see someone with a different musical universe winning instead of having the same type of young, pretty, nice and boring winners.
But aren't there other shows out there for that. For example Rhydian could have auditioned for one of the Musical type talent shows or Britains' got Talent and I'm sure if he had waited long enough a Opera talent show would have come along.

I trying to think back to when he joined the show, didn't he say he could sing other types of music other than Opera and he wanted to do the show to prove that? If he did he hasn't proved it yet. He is still singing Opera arrangements of popular songs.

Captain.Remy 29-10-2007 11:41 AM

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Message original : Red Moon
But aren't there other shows out there for that. For example Rhydian could have auditioned for one of the Musical type talent shows or Britains' got Talent and I'm sure if he had waited long enough a Opera talent show would have come along.

I trying to think back to when he joined the show, didn't he say he could sing other types of music other than Opera and he wanted to do the show to prove that? If he did he hasn't proved it yet. He is still singing Opera arrangements of popular songs.
So for you, the X Factor is only about nice and dull pop singer who will sing only for teenagers between 10 and 15 y-o ? That's a special point of view but why not.
I always thought that some shows like the X Factor can bring new universes, new styles and not to repeat the same thing all the time.

Red Moon 29-10-2007 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sunshine30
So for you, the X Factor is only about nice and dull pop singer who will sing only for teenagers between 10 and 15 y-o ? That's a special point of view but why not.

I always thought that some shows like the X Factor can bring new universes, new styles and not to repeat the same thing all the time.
I would say there is enough variation within popular music to find new talent the show is looking for.

Ultimately the show isn't about finding people with particular styles. If it was then people would be able to sing what they like and we wouldn't have the themes each week. What it is about is finding all round singers that can then be given original material that suits their voice best while allowing them to develop their own style.

Captain.Remy 29-10-2007 11:57 AM

Quote:

Message original : Red Moon
Quote:

Originally posted by sunshine30
So for you, the X Factor is only about nice and dull pop singer who will sing only for teenagers between 10 and 15 y-o ? That's a special point of view but why not.

I always thought that some shows like the X Factor can bring new universes, new styles and not to repeat the same thing all the time.
I would say there is enough variation within popular music to find new talent the show is looking for.

Ultimately the show isn't about finding people with particular styles. If it was then people would be able to sing what they like and we wouldn't have the themes each week. What it is about is finding all round singers that can then be given original material that suits their voice best while allowing them to develop their own style.
But an artist is someone who has his/her own universe and style. It's like an athlete, do you imagine an athlete who practices football, practicing swimming just for the public ? That's not possible.
Some people are umcortable about singing something they aren't like, Rhydian recognises himself in opera, so why he should sing something else ?

Redmond 29-10-2007 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
At the end if the day, they can't edit him to make him look argant and big headed, he does that all by himself with what he says, he thinks he is god's gift, he is with out any doubt the best male singer, but I think Niki is better then him, plus she has a nicer personality.
Well you have little understanding of how television works then. Since the live show has started have you heard Rhydian say anything too arrogant? Has he said anything different from what the other contestants have said? The answer is No. Sharon tried to embarrass him the first week by getting him to show his chest, but he took it well, said he'd take the judges comments on board and that was it, pretty much how everyone else acted. Same this week. If you want to see a cocky contestant then look at Emily who started back-chatting Simon this week.

And this is how editing works, as said by Charlie Brooker in his Guardian article this week:

The producer asks Rhydian, "Do you think you could be as big as Michael Jackson?"
Rhydian says..."Yes"
Then the producer says, "Okay but can you make that into a sentence?"
Rhydian then says, "I think I can be bigger than Michael Jackson". And then they only show that last line.
:tongue:

And to Red Moon who thinks there is variation on this show then you must be watching something different. Everyone one of those acts apart from Rhydian and Same Difference are all practically carbon copies of each other and of past contestants. Same dull pop songs, "I Will Survive" and "If You Don't Know Me By Now", nothing special at all, no variation, just a bunch of over-hyped pub singers.


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