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Sticks 19-01-2009 08:59 AM

Barack Hussein Obama will be a huge disappointment - Discuss
 
People keep building him up, and expecting so much from him, that when reality bites, so many people will be disappointed that he is not able to live up to their over inflated expectations. Even though it will not really be his fault, I fear the new president will be seen by many as a huge dissapointment.

Am I being overly pessimistic?
:sad:

pinkmichk 19-01-2009 10:08 AM

although i dont really follow politics i dont agree with you i think he is what is needed i mean anyone can be better than bush but how much better is what remains to be seen

Scarlett. 19-01-2009 10:38 AM

He wil be a hell of a lot better than dozy Bush

Sticks 19-01-2009 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by pinkmichk
although i dont really follow politics i dont agree with you i think he is what is needed i mean anyone can be better than bush but how much better is what remains to be seen
My point is that so many people are imagining great things will happen, that when they possibly don't, it will seem like a big let down, even if he has not put a foot wrong.

Basically there is a danger in putting people on high pedestals

30stone 19-01-2009 10:40 AM

Bring Back Clinton (=


Lol, but yeh he will be better than bush but he wont fulfil expectations im sure.

Spike 19-01-2009 10:42 AM

Totally agree, people are expecting great instant change well they aren't going to get it. People are going to have to wait years to see any real change so people are going to be disspointed
Its a hard job to come into especially with all the expectations but I think Obama will do a great job

Richie_English 19-01-2009 10:46 AM

Only time will tell.

Sod_James 19-01-2009 10:55 AM

I couldnt care less to be perfectly honest.

Bells 19-01-2009 06:56 PM

I definitely think people are expecting far too much far too soon; yes, he's an exciting change, but we can't expect anything dramatic overnight. And I'm sure the vast majority of Americans aren't so naive to expect that. At the same time though, I think a "huge disappointment" is going a step too far as well - we can't be sure yet, and there's time to see how things pan out. Definitely better than Bush, but I doubt we'll see such massive changes... he shares some similar policy views, e.g. he praised Israel in 2005 so it looks like the US/Israel current predicament won't change in a hurry.

Furthermore, selecting Hilary Clinton and Rahm Emanuel as potential Secretary of State and enforcers shows he's holding onto old traditions as well. Although I don't care from a direct point of view, what happens does affect everyone... so you don't need a massive degree of interest to follow what's going on. It's just comforting to know he'll be in the White House as opposed to the alternative. After Bush and the last horrendous few years, anyone would have been a welcome change, but the fact that Obama's actually exciting caused hysteria. He's new, but at the very least has provided hope.

Tom 19-01-2009 08:04 PM

Of course he won't fulfil his promises- he's a politician!

Ninastar 19-01-2009 08:11 PM

I find it scary tbh honest. I don't like him much and i think he's making the wrong choices. Even tho I don't get politics at all, I know what he's doing will end up as a huge mistake in about 5 + years.

andyman 19-01-2009 08:18 PM

To be fair he has has been hinting of what he can bring and what he can't.. The honeymoon will last around 2years tho.

Z 19-01-2009 09:59 PM

I think he'll correct some of the wrongs George Bush caused in his Presidencies, but whether or not he'll make any real progress of his own is debatable, because a lot of people within his party resent him for "queue jumping" (i.e. he was an up and coming guy, but certainly not first in line for the Presidency, which has annoyed a lot of long standing members of the party I think.)

andyman 19-01-2009 10:21 PM

Resession, 2 wars... Not the best start for him.

NettoSuperstar! 20-01-2009 07:24 AM

At least hes got some fookin principles!

Sticks 20-01-2009 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
At least hes got some fookin principles!
Wait until he gets into office and come up against gridlock in the senate

Ninastar 20-01-2009 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Sticks
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Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
At least hes got some fookin principles!
Wait until he gets into office and come up against gridlock in the senate
Lol true. Do you think its a bit scary what hes doing?

lily. 20-01-2009 04:37 PM

If people get caught up in the hype then he'll be a huge disappointment to them personally.

However, like Ash says, most people are aware that change takes time.

I think most of the hype is because it's a historical moment, especially for non-white citizens. There's a sense of equality which for some was not there before.

I think it's a good thing that he is president, and I think he will make positive changes. But, I know it won't happen overnight.

bananarama 20-01-2009 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Tom
Of course he won't fulfil his promises- he's a politician!

Exactly. He will be another Blair......very popular at the beginning due to people dreamland expectations......and then he will fail to meet any where near expectations and the public as per usual will turn ugly on him.....Just a matter of time that's all.......

Mean while because Obama is a Democrat Iran will be allowed to drag out phoney negotiations right up to the point Iran drops a nuclear device on Israel.....

Jen 20-01-2009 07:57 PM

In my opinion I do not think anyone can form such opinions on Obama, not at such an early stage of his presidency.
I agree that he has been built up as some super-human president that will fix everyone in the worlds problems in a matter of hours in the office, anyone with a brain will not be drawn into false hopes and expectations. As many people have said in this thread.. the change Obama has been speaking of will take time, people need to realise that with the current economic crises, the wars in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan.. they will not fix over night, they need persistence, time and a good president to even begin to correct the errors 8 years of idiocy that has been bestowed onto America. Give Obama the time which is needed, I believe he is the making of a fantastic president... at least we know his four years in office will be a hundred times better than the eight years every American citizen has had to suffer through.

NettoSuperstar! 21-01-2009 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by Linda
If people get caught up in the hype then he'll be a huge disappointment to them personally.

However, like Ash says, most people are aware that change takes time.

I think most of the hype is because it's a historical moment, especially for non-white citizens. There's a sense of equality which for some was not there before.

I think it's a good thing that he is president, and I think he will make positive changes. But, I know it won't happen overnight.
Like your avatar and I agree. Its no easy task hes got but hes starting from the right place in my mind and thats better than can be said in the past!

letmein 21-01-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by Sticks
Quote:

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
At least hes got some fookin principles!
Wait until he gets into office and come up against gridlock in the senate
His Party is the majority of the House and Senate.

letmein 21-01-2009 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by bananarama
Quote:

Originally posted by Tom
Of course he won't fulfil his promises- he's a politician!

Exactly. He will be another Blair......very popular at the beginning due to people dreamland expectations......and then he will fail to meet any where near expectations and the public as per usual will turn ugly on him.....Just a matter of time that's all.......

Mean while because Obama is a Democrat Iran will be allowed to drag out phoney negotiations right up to the point Iran drops a nuclear device on Israel.....
Blair was a rip-off of Clinton, and even ripped off his speeches.

Leave your Right wing propaganda at the door. Thanks.

letmein 21-01-2009 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by Ninastar
Quote:

Originally posted by Sticks
Quote:

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
At least hes got some fookin principles!
Wait until he gets into office and come up against gridlock in the senate
Lol true. Do you think its a bit scary what hes doing?
Do tell, what is he doing? :rolleyes:

Sticks 21-01-2009 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by letmein
Quote:

Originally posted by Sticks
Wait until he gets into office and come up against gridlock in the senate
His Party is the majority of the House and Senate.
Until the mid term elections

GiRTh 21-01-2009 03:41 PM

He's already made history so if his Presidency ended now he'd still be remembered above Bush and Clinton.

He has to get a second term. No modern day President has been deemed great after only one term. If he fails to be re-elected in four years time he will be dubbed a failure.

If Obama gives us eight years of what he says he's going to give us then he'll probably go down as one the greatest of all presidents.

EDIT: Zee make a good point. Obabm did jump the queue and is a very inexperienced politician especially regarding forign affairs. This will be his biggest stumbling block but unlike Bush he possesses more than a couple of braincells so I think he'll be Ok in the end.

lily. 21-01-2009 04:00 PM

He's certainly smart. Which is a huge improvement on this...

CLICK

pinkmichk 21-01-2009 04:06 PM

i saw something as part of yesterdays coverage where obama said that he is fully aware that its gonna take time and maybe even beyond his time in office so if he is saying it then hopefully people can see that as well instead of being carried along with the hype

jonsep 21-01-2009 04:17 PM

Look what happened in 1979 when thatcher got in, the first female prime minister she ruined the country.
And befor you jump on me im not comparing the two ,im comparing the hype.
Lets just wait and see,crosses fingers.

Fom 21-01-2009 05:03 PM

I have a feeling he will be like every other politician in the word, a liar. People for some reason are believing him more because he is black and 'Down with the peeps'

If people only knew the amount of secrets he is going to keep from us, and yet again he will keep everything hush to 'protect us'

Tom 21-01-2009 05:57 PM

Theres only so much expectation because hes black. The sun shines out his a*se atm. If he was white would things still be the same?

Ninastar 21-01-2009 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom
Theres only so much expectation because hes black. The sun shines out his a*se atm. If he was white would things still be the same?
Yeh i know lol. It really annoys me

Wildcat! 21-01-2009 06:13 PM

You guys obviously are clueless to the situation, and all the hype behind Obama being president. The huge celebration is not because people think he is the messiah! The expectations for him wouldve been the same for any democratic elected president. And thats to undo a lot fo the wrongs left by 2 terms from the republicans. Thats the expectation. Its not because he is black. Its because there is change, a new regime. The reasons for the big celebration however is because a black man in a country were they were once slaves is now the president. The jury is still out on how god or bad he is gonna be. But the fact is, all the young african americans growing up right now, know that they can do anything in that country.

lily. 21-01-2009 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
But the fact is, all the young african americans growing up right now, know that they can do anything in that country.
^Exactly.

Black people are still opressed in certain corners of the states, which is why Obama being made president is a huge public stand against that opression.




PS. I tried not to say this, but I'm a total spelling nazi, so could the name in the thread title be changed to "Barack Hussein Obama".

letmein 22-01-2009 12:39 AM

If you think Obama was elected because he is black, you really have no clue when it comes to reality.

30stone 22-01-2009 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by letmein
If you think Obama was elected because he is black, you really have no clue when it comes to reality.
it was part of the reason.

96% of black people voted for obama, it could have been superman running against him and he'd of still got a high percentage.

but its obviously not the only reason.

letmein 22-01-2009 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sticks
Quote:

Originally posted by letmein
Quote:

Originally posted by Sticks
Wait until he gets into office and come up against gridlock in the senate
His Party is the majority of the House and Senate.
Until the mid term elections
In 2010. That's two years, and Democrats will have an even bigger majority. Mark my words.

Sticks 22-01-2009 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Linda

PS. I tried not to say this, but I'm a total spelling nazi, so could the name in the thread title be changed to "Barack Hussein Obama".

Done

lily. 22-01-2009 08:41 AM

Thanks Graeme.. :D

letmein 22-01-2009 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 30stone
Quote:

Originally posted by letmein
If you think Obama was elected because he is black, you really have no clue when it comes to reality.
it was part of the reason.

96% of black people voted for obama, it could have been superman running against him and he'd of still got a high percentage.

but its obviously not the only reason.
Blacks only make up about 10% of the population.

Obama was voted in by all ethnicities, men, women, gay, straight, etc.

His 2004 Democratic Convention speech, is what catapulted him onto the national scene.

As a minority, blacks are no more discriminated against than Jews. Gays and lesbians are the most discriminated against in the country, and that has to change. Don't get me wrong, if you're black, or gay, or both, the South is not somewhere you want to move to. So in that sense, there are areas where you are the MOST oppressed. Racial minorities are protected by the government though.

Obama's election broke down tons of barriers for ALL PEOPLE, enabling all to be able to run for the highest office in the country. Hillary Clinton did the same thing. Women are now seen as viable candidates. America jumped in with both feet. So much was broken down, which makes for any even greater chance of progressing beyond other nations when it the past, has lagged so far behind.

The country is hanging on the edge of a cliff now, just like almost all countries in the West, financially, and it will have to change itself even more to save itself.


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