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Crimson Dynamo 11-11-2014 09:45 AM

Let Muslim primary school teachers wear full-face veil
 
Former Archbishop of Canterbury says ‘panic’ about the niqab is 'largely misplaced' even if young children cannot see their teacher’s face

http://reddresstheology.files.wordpr...n_williams.jpg


There is no need to “panic” about Muslim primary school teachers wearing the full-face veil in class, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Williams, has insisted.

He said concerns that young children would struggle to learn from a woman whose face was covered were “largely misplaced” and that there are other ways to "read” what people are saying.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...-Williams.html


what do you think?

Niamh. 11-11-2014 09:50 AM

I don't know how comfortable I'd be with leaving my children with someone who I wouldn't even recognise if I passed them in the street

kirklancaster 11-11-2014 10:26 AM

If that scary photo of him is anything to go by - he should be wearing a niqab, and if that is the kind of crap which comes out of his mouth, he should be wearing a gag.

Out of touch and totally irrelevant.

Tom4784 11-11-2014 10:34 AM

It's just not practical for a teacher to wear a veil as it will impede their ability to teach and I reckon most Muslim teachers probably wouldn't want to try to keep a class of rowdy kids under control whilst their vision is obscured by a veil anyway.

arista 11-11-2014 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7368055)
It's just not practical for a teacher to wear a veil as it will impede their ability to teach and I reckon most Muslim teachers probably wouldn't want to try to keep a class of rowdy kids under control whilst their vision is obscured by a veil anyway.


Yes the kids could throw things at her
as she turns to the Front

Kyle 11-11-2014 10:55 AM

What is the actual purpose of the niqab and burka?

Nedusa 11-11-2014 11:41 AM

I don't agree with this at all

Also I see this turning into another anti-Muslim thread




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Crimson Dynamo 11-11-2014 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7368076)
What is the actual purpose of the niqab and burka?

It stops non muslim men wanting to have sex with them or some such nonsesne

Cherie 11-11-2014 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7368076)
What is the actual purpose of the niqab and burka?

The covering of the face is to prevent other men looking at the woman.

I can't say I agree with this, children need stimulating lessons especially children who are struggling with speech and language or reading and being able to see facial expression is important to child development so I can't really see his point here.

Marsh. 11-11-2014 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7368061)
Yes the kids could throw things at her
as she turns to the Front

:joker:

Kyle 11-11-2014 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7368163)
It stops non muslim men wanting to have sex with them or some such nonsesne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 7368272)
The covering of the face is to prevent other men looking at the woman.

Is that the reason? Are women actually ok with that? :shrug:

Livia 11-11-2014 02:18 PM

I don't think comments like this from an out-of-touch, slighly cracked-pot like Lord Williams are helpful at all. I think his comment is more likely to have the opposite effect to the one he was going for.

Kizzy 11-11-2014 02:27 PM

Far from being out of touch I feel his comments are progressive it would be a crackpot idea to suggest that her niqab impaired her teaching.
That said a sixth form student was recently banned for wearing a niqab, so it's unusual there is an argument for them for teachers and the opposite for students.

Livia 11-11-2014 02:33 PM

It's strange that, considering his position, this man didn't stand up for the woman who was sacked for wearing a crucifix, stating that it was just "jewellery" and not an article of faith. And yet he's calling for Muslim women to be able to cover their face in a classroom full of children.

Crimson Dynamo 11-11-2014 02:41 PM

His eyebrows?

the twisted vanity of the man

lily. 11-11-2014 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7368061)
Yes the kids could throw things at her
as she turns to the Front

lol... only you, arista... only you.

Cherie 11-11-2014 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7368282)
Is that the reason? Are women actually ok with that? :shrug:

Apparently so, got to say it would save alot of pennies on make up :hehe:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7368312)
Far from being out of touch I feel his comments are progressive it would be a crackpot idea to suggest that her niqab impaired her teaching.
That said a sixth form student was recently banned for wearing a niqab, so it's unusual there is an argument for them for teachers and the opposite for students.

It would impair her though Kiz, as children with language difficulties need to have words modelled for them to copy and children with reading delays need to be engaged, it wouldn't help much during drama lessons either :laugh:

Niamh. 11-11-2014 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 7368392)
Apparently so, got to say it would save alot of pennies on make up :hehe:



It would impair her though Kiz, as children with language difficulties need to have words modelled for them to copy and children with reading delays need to be engaged, it wouldn't help much during drama lessons either :laugh:

also, I really wouldn't be happy with not knowing what the person I'm leaving my children with all day looks like :shrug:

Cherie 11-11-2014 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7368397)
also, I really wouldn't be happy with not knowing what the person I'm leaving my children with all day looks like :shrug:

Good point, I think there was an issue with the students wearing it that they could be anyone, the same could be said for the teacher, PC going mad yet again.

Crimson Dynamo 11-11-2014 02:55 PM

I would be amazed that any school would even consider hiring a teacher who would look like that

are they mad?

Crimson Dynamo 11-11-2014 02:56 PM

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-conte...p-of-women.jpg


Parents night

Kizzy 11-11-2014 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7368338)
It's strange that, considering his position, this man didn't stand up for the woman who was sacked for wearing a crucifix, stating that it was just "jewellery" and not an article of faith. And yet he's calling for Muslim women to be able to cover their face in a classroom full of children.

Is there a link to that comment? I can't find one.


Thinking about it cherie as it's a primary school you're right, it most likely would make a difference in the lower years I agree.

JoshBB 11-11-2014 03:01 PM

tbh I have some teachers at my school who are muslim and they don't feel the need to wear one.. I think a hijab is fine however a burkha is questionable.

Kyle 11-11-2014 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 7368416)
tbh I have some teachers at my school who are muslim and they don't feel the need to wear one.. I think a hijab is fine however a burkha is questionable.

Yep, hijab or dupatta no problem, the face is still visible.

Kyle 11-11-2014 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7368406)

Why bother having your photo taken there? Imagine telling your kids years later that was you when you were younger :laugh:

'Which one were you mummy?'

'Ah sh*t can't remember'


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