How things would have been so different if Calum had touched Chloe's robe...
 

Hmm. A robe that was so loose a boob, allegedly, fell out. Food for thought. :suspect:

It's all supposition though because it wasn't so we will never know how she would have reacted

Its different when someone you fancy tries it on :shrug:

Yeah the boob obviously fell out because the robe loosened when Jeremy pulled at it, which he has admitted in the DR and apologised for.

If Chloe was happy for Calum to do the same thing then that's fair enough and completely her decision. Women do have a right to say no to whoever and whenever the hell they want.

Yes, but that's how we find out if someone fancies us.

We sometimes go for the kiss. If someone says no, we stop. Jeremy was drunk, so he didn't take the kiss option.

The issue wouldn't have happened with Calum but not for the simplistic reasons of him being more attractive or whatever.

Calum has always been successful with women for a number of reasons. He understands them, he can read signs properly, he comes across as fundamentally being a gentleman who women trust.

Its impossible to make these type of comparisons because its not just about looks.

Is it? you basically try to touch someone sexually without their permission to let them know you fancy them?

He never went for a kiss he tried to pull open her bathrobe. There's a pretty big difference.

The incident happened between Chloe and Jeremy not Callum. It also happened in a vomit infested small toilet area. Cleary Jeremy was drunk and hardly knew what he was doing. It was not a place to make a pass at someone whether someone was drunk or sober. If Callum had the stupidity of doing the same thing (which I very much doubt) NOBODY would encourage him in that place. People who don't like Chloe are posing these types of questions what if what if what if.

Jeremy was inappapropriate Chloe was upset end of!!! I am a woman and even if it was someone I actually liked did that to me I would also have been upset and cried. Not all women are as tough as the likes of Katie and Michelle. I find it so, so upsetting when people on here are saying that Chloe milked it or acted up for the cameras cos she is up for eviction etc etc. There are some housemates in there I detest including Katie but I never detest them to the point that if something like this happened I would use it to say they were acting, milking it, etc etc. It is NOT OK to touch someone when they have in NO WAY encouraged it. Sorry but this is my honest opinion. Peace!

wrong is wrong - even if callum done it.

He didn't touch her sexually, he touched the robe. And yes, loads of people go for a kiss. Surely you've seen it in movies.

He never went for a kiss which I said in my post above.

And I've yet to see a movie where a guy that's so drunk he's puking over a toilet bowl in a cramped bathroom leans in for the kiss, no.

You do realise you are defending something that Jeremy himself acknowledged as being the completely wrong thing to do?

And I'm not saying for a minute the guy is this predator or anything like that I think he made a drunken mistake but the posts on here basically saying Chloe was asking for it and so on are creeping me right out.

..I honestly don't think it's food for thought at all because by that very same reasoning, would he have pulled open the robe of other females in the house in the same way as he did with Chloe...what if it was someone he found completely unattractive, if that's what you're saying..would he still have opened her robe...it kinda works both ways and even more so because she dis a complete innocent with this...

Exactly Josy. I have been in these forums a few years now and I have seen time and time again where even if a guy is wrong the girl is targeted by people who dislike her for whatever reasons.

This is the worst case I have seen of it as Chloe has been a nice housemate, hasn't bitched about people, has been friendly and outgoing. Ok so she may have been playing games with Cami Li with their tits etc but the boredom in there must be atrocious and unlike some of the other 'plastic dolls' in there at least her tits are her own whatever about any other surgery she may have had.

When the incident happened I said surely surely people will see it wasn't Chloe's fault. There was only herself and one or two of the other girls who went to check Jeremy was ok. I have to admit I wouldn't as the smell of vomit would have made me sick also. What Jeremy done must have totally freaked her out specially when she was only trying to see if he was ok and in the environment they were in. I am sickened and disheartened by some peoples reaction

Yes but did he try to touch her. No one on bb has said anything about touching her. Though some people on the forum are practically calling rape. And honestly that creeps me out that people will make a drunken mistake into a crime.
Of course it isn't Chloe's fault that he touched her robe but it is stupid to be in a small toilet with someone who is drunk. I think that too was an error in judgement but personally I don't like drunks who can be unpredictable and out of control. So I wouldn't have been in there. And there is a huge difference in saying I think she made an error in judgement too to saying 'she was asking for it'.

she was interfered with and she didn't want to be. end of story. end of grotty thread

if you go for a kiss you should do it slowly so the woman has time to pull away if she chooses. grabbing at a girls dressing gown so quickly she doesn't have time to react is very different.

Basically in his drunken stupor, he misread the signs he thought he was getting, especially after the poolside incident that she initiated and tried it on with someone who needed a sympathy vote and she got it, job done,

Jeremy is gone and she is still there but in saying all of that, drunk or sober, Jeremy was in the wrong. However, Chloe made several mistakes like being in there in the first place, having clothes that were a bit inappropriate to be bending over in with nothing underneath and her biggest fault was her closing the door and leaving them in a room together, alone, with no cameras or witnesses.

The fault was 80/20 in favour of the numpty that is no longer there. simples. Did she set him up, who knows, but even if she did, there are things a man should not do and he slipped up. Was there any malice or lewd act as the premises, I don't think so, but celebs live in a different world and are used to getting away with murder so its business as usual with him and them.

he was a drunken idiot, and as much as i hate perez, he was right, they arrant safe in the house with him, especially when he is drunk, because he has incredibly poor judgement.

and just for the record again, i can't stand Perez. I hope he is out ASAP.

I don't understand why you feel that everyone who isnt weeping over Chloe's plight hates her. That's a huge assumption and I've not seen anyone say they hate her. I am somewhat sickened and disheartened by the need of some to vilify people who have differing opinions as if they aren't standing up for good and think inappropriate behaviour is OK. What I find most disturbing is how a pretty small drunken incident is being made into a huge event where people are throwing out words like rape and pervert. I am finding a lot of sympathy for Jeremy because every time he is in the press now he's going to be followed by tags like sex pest which seems pretty unfair based on the two second event in that toilet when he was drunk and inappropriately touched her robe?

Stupid mistake, lifetime tag.

To the original op, it wasn't Callum so speculation is irrelevant.

Taking someones clothes off is how you find out if a person likes you? :shocked:

But he didn't take her clothes off. My guess, because we didn't see so it has to be a guess, is he was so drunk he didn't even think about it, just reached out a hand. It was a stupid, drunken mistake.

From what both he and Chloe said he pulled open her robe and exposed her boob

None of us will exactly know what happened in the toilet, since no cameras were in there. We will never know what would have happened if someone else was in there with Chloe.

I would assume Jeremy just did what most men do when hammered, try fumbling with what they can. You see it in clubs sometimes, a guy trying to touch a woman then the woman and her friends push the man away. Same thing probably happened here, although unfortunately for Jeremy there were cameras everywhere and Chloe's reaction was easy for everyone else to blow out of proportion.

Just shows when you're on something like Big Brother you need to be in full control of yourself and think about what you're doing.

Jaxie if you take the time to re read my posts on this matter I never mentioned the WORD HATE. I said those who DISLIKE her. And surely it is only those who DISLIKE her who have said she milked it, over reacted, and some have called her names like SLUT and *****. The incident was blown out of all proportion this I totally agree with and Jeremy should not be tagged. I like him and he realised the error of his action. People are gone mental talking about rape and pervy stuff and I do NOT condone them. I saw the incident for what it was a drunken mistake but I also saw that Chloe was genuinely upset by it and she had every right to be tearful

too much fame too young
too many girls flinging themselves at him because he is famous
the addiction gene

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the toilet puke boob pass attampt