[Gusto Brunt]

Hmm. A robe that was so loose a boob, allegedly, fell out. Food for thought.

[AnnieK]

It's all supposition though because it wasn't so we will never know how she would have reacted

[Vicky.]

Its different when someone you fancy tries it on

[Josy]

Yeah the boob obviously fell out because the robe loosened when Jeremy pulled at it, which he has admitted in the DR and apologised for.

If Chloe was happy for Calum to do the same thing then that's fair enough and completely her decision. Women do have a right to say no to whoever and whenever the hell they want.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah the boob obviously fell out because the robe loosened when Jeremy pulled at it, which he has admitted in the DR and apologised for.

If Chloe was happy for Calum to do the same thing then that's fair enough and completely her decision. Women do have a right to say no to whoever and whenever the hell they want.

Yes, but that's how we find out if someone fancies us.

We sometimes go for the kiss. If someone says no, we stop. Jeremy was drunk, so he didn't take the kiss option.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Yes, but that's how we find out if someone fancies us.

We sometimes go for the kiss. If someone says no, we stop. Jeremy was drunk, so he didn't take the kiss option.

Is it? you basically try to touch someone sexually without their permission to let them know you fancy them?

He never went for a kiss he tried to pull open her bathrobe. There's a pretty big difference.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Josy

Is it? you basically try to touch someone sexually without their permission to let them know you fancy them?

He never went for a kiss he tried to pull open her bathrobe. There's a pretty big difference.

He didn't touch her sexually, he touched the robe. And yes, loads of people go for a kiss. Surely you've seen it in movies.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

He didn't touch her sexually, he touched the robe. And yes, loads of people go for a kiss. Surely you've seen it in movies.

He never went for a kiss which I said in my post above.

And I've yet to see a movie where a guy that's so drunk he's puking over a toilet bowl in a cramped bathroom leans in for the kiss, no.

You do realise you are defending something that Jeremy himself acknowledged as being the completely wrong thing to do?

And I'm not saying for a minute the guy is this predator or anything like that I think he made a drunken mistake but the posts on here basically saying Chloe was asking for it and so on are creeping me right out.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Is it? you basically try to touch someone sexually without their permission to let them know you fancy them?

He never went for a kiss he tried to pull open her bathrobe. There's a pretty big difference.

Yes but did he try to touch her. No one on bb has said anything about touching her. Though some people on the forum are practically calling rape. And honestly that creeps me out that people will make a drunken mistake into a crime.
Of course it isn't Chloe's fault that he touched her robe but it is stupid to be in a small toilet with someone who is drunk. I think that too was an error in judgement but personally I don't like drunks who can be unpredictable and out of control. So I wouldn't have been in there. And there is a huge difference in saying I think she made an error in judgement too to saying 'she was asking for it'.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Yes, but that's how we find out if someone fancies us.

We sometimes go for the kiss. If someone says no, we stop. Jeremy was drunk, so he didn't take the kiss option.

if you go for a kiss you should do it slowly so the woman has time to pull away if she chooses. grabbing at a girls dressing gown so quickly she doesn't have time to react is very different.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Yes, but that's how we find out if someone fancies us.

We sometimes go for the kiss. If someone says no, we stop. Jeremy was drunk, so he didn't take the kiss option.

Taking someones clothes off is how you find out if a person likes you?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Taking someones clothes off is how you find out if a person likes you?

But he didn't take her clothes off. My guess, because we didn't see so it has to be a guess, is he was so drunk he didn't even think about it, just reached out a hand. It was a stupid, drunken mistake.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

But he didn't take her clothes off. My guess, because we didn't see so it has to be a guess, is he was so drunk he didn't even think about it, just reached out a hand. It was a stupid, drunken mistake.

From what both he and Chloe said he pulled open her robe and exposed her boob

[bots]

The issue wouldn't have happened with Calum but not for the simplistic reasons of him being more attractive or whatever.

Calum has always been successful with women for a number of reasons. He understands them, he can read signs properly, he comes across as fundamentally being a gentleman who women trust.

Its impossible to make these type of comparisons because its not just about looks.

[rionablue]

The incident happened between Chloe and Jeremy not Callum. It also happened in a vomit infested small toilet area. Cleary Jeremy was drunk and hardly knew what he was doing. It was not a place to make a pass at someone whether someone was drunk or sober. If Callum had the stupidity of doing the same thing (which I very much doubt) NOBODY would encourage him in that place. People who don't like Chloe are posing these types of questions what if what if what if.

Jeremy was inappapropriate Chloe was upset end of!!! I am a woman and even if it was someone I actually liked did that to me I would also have been upset and cried. Not all women are as tough as the likes of Katie and Michelle. I find it so, so upsetting when people on here are saying that Chloe milked it or acted up for the cameras cos she is up for eviction etc etc. There are some housemates in there I detest including Katie but I never detest them to the point that if something like this happened I would use it to say they were acting, milking it, etc etc. It is NOT OK to touch someone when they have in NO WAY encouraged it. Sorry but this is my honest opinion. Peace!

[Ammi]

..I honestly don't think it's food for thought at all because by that very same reasoning, would he have pulled open the robe of other females in the house in the same way as he did with Chloe...what if it was someone he found completely unattractive, if that's what you're saying..would he still have opened her robe...it kinda works both ways and even more so because she dis a complete innocent with this...

[waterhog]

wrong is wrong - even if callum done it.

[Chuckyegg]

she was interfered with and she didn't want to be. end of story. end of grotty thread

[sampvt]

Basically in his drunken stupor, he misread the signs he thought he was getting, especially after the poolside incident that she initiated and tried it on with someone who needed a sympathy vote and she got it, job done,

Jeremy is gone and she is still there but in saying all of that, drunk or sober, Jeremy was in the wrong. However, Chloe made several mistakes like being in there in the first place, having clothes that were a bit inappropriate to be bending over in with nothing underneath and her biggest fault was her closing the door and leaving them in a room together, alone, with no cameras or witnesses.

The fault was 80/20 in favour of the numpty that is no longer there. simples. Did she set him up, who knows, but even if she did, there are things a man should not do and he slipped up. Was there any malice or lewd act as the premises, I don't think so, but celebs live in a different world and are used to getting away with murder so its business as usual with him and them.

[lostalex]

he was a drunken idiot, and as much as i hate perez, he was right, they arrant safe in the house with him, especially when he is drunk, because he has incredibly poor judgement.

and just for the record again, i can't stand Perez. I hope he is out ASAP.

[Jamesy]

None of us will exactly know what happened in the toilet, since no cameras were in there. We will never know what would have happened if someone else was in there with Chloe.

I would assume Jeremy just did what most men do when hammered, try fumbling with what they can. You see it in clubs sometimes, a guy trying to touch a woman then the woman and her friends push the man away. Same thing probably happened here, although unfortunately for Jeremy there were cameras everywhere and Chloe's reaction was easy for everyone else to blow out of proportion.

Just shows when you're on something like Big Brother you need to be in full control of yourself and think about what you're doing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

too much fame too young
too many girls flinging themselves at him because he is famous
the addiction gene

=

the toilet puke boob pass attampt

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

too much fame too young
too many girls flinging themselves at him because he is famous
the addiction gene

=

the toilet puke boob pass attampt

mmm child stars end up messed up alot of times, seems to be more of a curse than a blessing

[unoino]

Too many people on here justifying Chloes pathetic overreaction..yes she would have dropped her dressing gown in a flash had it bn Callum on that we are agreed however one or two are suggesting that its right for her to drop her gown and fxxx him but when a housemate is pissed..and shes over him with her tits almost out..that because he brushed her gown..shes correct to almost accuse him of rape..this has to stop in this day and age there are mitigating circumstances and i suggest in a bathroom with nothing on and tits hanging out that it could be interpreted as a come on....this whole affair should be looked at and in the very least Chloe should be evicted

[Marsh.]

She would have dropped her gown for Callum so that makes it ok for Jeremy to help himself?

Yeah, that makes sense.

I won't even get into the fact we didn't see her "over him with her tits almost out" nor do we know who she would or wouldn't be sexually attracted to.

All we know is that he was pissed, opened her gown which was inappropriate. Chloe was shocked by it, Jeremy admitted it and apologised and that's the end of it. Embellishing it and making out the girl was crying rape or plotted to get him evicted is in extremely bad taste.