New Greek Elections today
 

Polls suggest a tight race between SYRIZA and New Democracy.

I feel sorry for Greece right now.. no idea who I would vote for. Just have to hope that they don't turn to the fascist party.

But the communists are ok? :shrug:

It will be a swing to the Right - as all of Europe.

They aren't openly racist and haven't literally murdered migrants...

Have you got any links or proof that the whole of Europe has taken a swing to the racist right? Im not saying they havent but i would love to see a link so your post doesnt seem pointless.

and there is evidence that the Greek fascist party have?

No Bob - I am PREDICTING a swing to the right both in Greece AND the rest of Europe.

Communists haven't been racist and murdered migrants? Check your world history Josh.

Thats fine and is possibly correct. I apologise to you personally Kirk i shouldnt have used your post as a staging post for my little rant. Let me backtrak im going to edit my post and post that as a separate issue as its not fair.

:laugh: Bob - believe me or not you are one of my favs on here because you are such a 'character'. We don't agree on much politically, but I do enjoy reading your posts -- rants or otherwise mate.

I really do appreciate that Kirk thank you. The same goes we may not agree on much but at least you post your own thoughts which many on here dont they just cater them to fit in. :thumbs:

Thanks Bob.

Yes its making it even worse

Golden Dawn might enjoy a boost because of the strain Greece has been under from the migrant influx but I don't think it will be a big one. They had their time of real surge a few years ago but are pretty discredited now after things like their MP assaulting a woman on a live televised debate and some of their most high profile politicians getting arrested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden...litical_party)

The communist party in greece hasn't killed anyone.

I assume you are referencing the USSR - to which I respond that communism and stalinism are not the same thing at all. I also dont think communism would be great for Greece's recovery, and would prefer something more sensible and based on investment rather than cuts.

Thanks for the link.

The Chinese have not exactly a clean record on either front, just to back up Kirk's point.

I wouldn't advocate any form of extremist party, and any time the population are under hardship it is the direction they go in because the normal centre parties have not solved their issues.

Greece will more than likely shift to the right as they have nowhere "left" to go. It won't solve their problems though and there will be yet another election held sometime soon.

Most communists whose blog posts or youtube comments I have read seem to say that they don't see China as a good example either - reasons being that democracy needs to be established and whatnot. I don't know an awful lot about China and communism so I couldn't comment really.

I also think there will be another election called, neither Syriza or New Democracy are up to the job.

I don't really think this is the thread to get in to a debate about communism, but from a purists perspective, communism as a thing can never be implemented in reality. All we get is approximations to to the principles, and China arguably are more pure than others including the old USSR.

Anyway, China have a terrible record on both racism and murders.

This is Greece's fifth election in six years, I think they're done with left or right lurches and would just like some stability and longevity in their government now which is why a lot of voters are reverting to the conservative New Democracy party. I think Syriza have been a bit of a disaster really but at least Tsipras did secure another bailout and keep Greece in the Euro: the left of the party might think that's a betrayal but I agree with him that it was necessary for the country. In some ways it could be good for him to be re-elected so that he can see that through although he's proven so unpredictable that the rest of the Eurozone will never be too comfortable with him leading Greece.

Have they flogged that Island yet?

Syriza is about 30% ahead

Ref : SkyNewsHD

I remember being excited about them winning last time, Greek politics has become really depressing and I feel sorry for them.

Syriza has won

the other side concedes defeat

Same Leader
Same Debt

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...2784124069.jpg

[Here we go again! Alexis Tsipras
hails a 'victory for the people'
as his left-wing Syriza party
is returned to power in Greece
with 35% of the vote - paving way
for the controversial EU bailout deal
Left-wing Syriza has triumped in
fifth Greek general election in six years
Former PM Alexis Tsipras, who resigned
in August, leads the Syriza party
Official projections estimate Tsipras
will finish with 35.5 per cent of vote
Conservative leader Meimarakis
has conceded victory to his left-wing rival
Snap ballot called after 41-year-old's party
lost its parliamentary majority ]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3mMOA1yOU

I stand corrected.