[JoshBB]

Polls suggest a tight race between SYRIZA and New Democracy.

I feel sorry for Greece right now.. no idea who I would vote for. Just have to hope that they don't turn to the fascist party.

[bots]

But the communists are ok?

[kirklancaster]

It will be a swing to the Right - as all of Europe.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

But the communists are ok?

They aren't openly racist and haven't literally murdered migrants...

[billy123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It will be a swing to the Right - as all of Europe.

Have you got any links or proof that the whole of Europe has taken a swing to the racist right? Im not saying they havent but i would love to see a link so your post doesnt seem pointless.

[bots]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

They aren't openly racist and haven't literally murdered migrants...

and there is evidence that the Greek fascist party have?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Have you got any links or proof that the whole of Europe has taken a swing to the racist right? Im not saying they havent but i would love to see a link so your post doesnt seem pointless.

Disclaimer: It seems to have become commonplace and accepted on here to refer to people that care about others as the "Loony Left" so from now on the right wing will be refferred to as the "Racist Right" if the mods on here have a problem with using that kind of childish language then stop both terms being used as im sure im not the only one bored of that cheap tat but if one is ok then so is the other.

No Bob - I am PREDICTING a swing to the right both in Greece AND the rest of Europe.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

They aren't openly racist and haven't literally murdered migrants...

Communists haven't been racist and murdered migrants? Check your world history Josh.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No Bob - I am PREDICTING a swing to the right both in Greece AND the rest of Europe.

Thats fine and is possibly correct. I apologise to you personally Kirk i shouldnt have used your post as a staging post for my little rant. Let me backtrak im going to edit my post and post that as a separate issue as its not fair.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Thats fine and is possibly correct. I apologise to you personally Kirk i shouldnt have used your post as a staging post for my little rant.

Bob - believe me or not you are one of my favs on here because you are such a 'character'. We don't agree on much politically, but I do enjoy reading your posts -- rants or otherwise mate.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Bob - believe me or not you are one of my favs on here because you are such a 'character'. We don't agree on much politically, but I do enjoy reading your posts -- rants or otherwise mate.

I really do appreciate that Kirk thank you. The same goes we may not agree on much but at least you post your own thoughts which many on here dont they just cater them to fit in.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

I really do appreciate that Kirk thank you. The same goes we may not agree on much but at least you post your own thoughts which many on here dont they just cater them to fit in.

Thanks Bob.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Polls suggest a tight race between SYRIZA and New Democracy.

I feel sorry for Greece right now.. no idea who I would vote for. Just have to hope that they don't turn to the fascist party.

Yes its making it even worse

[MTVN]

Golden Dawn might enjoy a boost because of the strain Greece has been under from the migrant influx but I don't think it will be a big one. They had their time of real surge a few years ago but are pretty discredited now after things like their MP assaulting a woman on a live televised debate and some of their most high profile politicians getting arrested.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and there is evidence that the Greek fascist party have?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden...litical_party)

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Communists haven't been racist and murdered migrants? Check your world history Josh.

The communist party in greece hasn't killed anyone.

I assume you are referencing the USSR - to which I respond that communism and stalinism are not the same thing at all. I also dont think communism would be great for Greece's recovery, and would prefer something more sensible and based on investment rather than cuts.

[bots]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden...litical_party)



The communist party in greece hasn't killed anyone.

I assume you are referencing the USSR - to which I respond that communism and stalinism are not the same thing at all. I also dont think communism would be great for Greece's recovery, and would prefer something more sensible and based on investment rather than cuts.

Thanks for the link.

The Chinese have not exactly a clean record on either front, just to back up Kirk's point.

I wouldn't advocate any form of extremist party, and any time the population are under hardship it is the direction they go in because the normal centre parties have not solved their issues.

Greece will more than likely shift to the right as they have nowhere "left" to go. It won't solve their problems though and there will be yet another election held sometime soon.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Thanks for the link.

The Chinese have not exactly a clean record on either front, just to back up Kirk's point.

I wouldn't advocate any form of extremist party, and any time the population are under hardship it is the direction they go in because the normal centre parties have not solved their issues.

Greece will more than likely shift to the right as they have nowhere "left" to go. It won't solve their problems though and there will be yet another election held sometime soon.

Most communists whose blog posts or youtube comments I have read seem to say that they don't see China as a good example either - reasons being that democracy needs to be established and whatnot. I don't know an awful lot about China and communism so I couldn't comment really.

I also think there will be another election called, neither Syriza or New Democracy are up to the job.

[bots]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Most communists whose blog posts or youtube comments I have read seem to say that they don't see China as a good example either - reasons being that democracy needs to be established and whatnot. I don't know an awful lot about China and communism so I couldn't comment really.

I also think there will be another election called, neither Syriza or New Democracy are up to the job.

I don't really think this is the thread to get in to a debate about communism, but from a purists perspective, communism as a thing can never be implemented in reality. All we get is approximations to to the principles, and China arguably are more pure than others including the old USSR.

Anyway, China have a terrible record on both racism and murders.

[MTVN]

This is Greece's fifth election in six years, I think they're done with left or right lurches and would just like some stability and longevity in their government now which is why a lot of voters are reverting to the conservative New Democracy party. I think Syriza have been a bit of a disaster really but at least Tsipras did secure another bailout and keep Greece in the Euro: the left of the party might think that's a betrayal but I agree with him that it was necessary for the country. In some ways it could be good for him to be re-elected so that he can see that through although he's proven so unpredictable that the rest of the Eurozone will never be too comfortable with him leading Greece.

[Kizzy]

Have they flogged that Island yet?

[arista]

Syriza is about 30% ahead

Ref : SkyNewsHD

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

Syriza is about 30% ahead

Ref : SkyNewsHD

I remember being excited about them winning last time, Greek politics has become really depressing and I feel sorry for them.

[arista]

Syriza has won

the other side concedes defeat

[arista]

Same Leader
Same Debt



[Here we go again! Alexis Tsipras
hails a 'victory for the people'
as his left-wing Syriza party
is returned to power in Greece
with 35% of the vote - paving way
for the controversial EU bailout deal
Left-wing Syriza has triumped in
fifth Greek general election in six years
Former PM Alexis Tsipras, who resigned
in August, leads the Syriza party
Official projections estimate Tsipras
will finish with 35.5 per cent of vote
Conservative leader Meimarakis
has conceded victory to his left-wing rival
Snap ballot called after 41-year-old's party
lost its parliamentary majority ]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3mMOA1yOU

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Same Leader
Same Debt



[Here we go again! Alexis Tsipras
hails a 'victory for the people'
as his left-wing Syriza party
is returned to power in Greece
with 35% of the vote - paving way
for the controversial EU bailout deal
Left-wing Syriza has triumped in
fifth Greek general election in six years
Former PM Alexis Tsipras, who resigned
in August, leads the Syriza party
Official projections estimate Tsipras
will finish with 35.5 per cent of vote
Conservative leader Meimarakis
has conceded victory to his left-wing rival
Snap ballot called after 41-year-old's party
lost its parliamentary majority ]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3mMOA1yOU

I stand corrected.