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Beso 29-08-2017 07:21 AM

5 year old christian child forced to live with 2 muslim families
 
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dai...t-Muslims.html


Should this be allowed to happen?

I think not.

Brillopad 29-08-2017 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9595133)
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dai...t-Muslims.html


Should this be allowed to happen?

I think not.

When I saw that picture in the paper the woman had her face completely covered, but she is showing her face in that one?

And no I don't think it's appropriate. I don't know whether the mention of her crucifix being removed and not eating bacon etc is correct, but if proven then that family should not be allowed to foster at all.

Oliver_W 29-08-2017 08:43 AM

When muslim children are put into foster care, they're generally put with muslim parents. If the foster agency (or whoever) can't find a Christian family, it doesn't matter as much because Christians and Atheists are generally more similar than Christians and muslims.

_baileys_ 29-08-2017 08:46 AM

It is terrible apparently the adoptive family do not even speak english!

I understand that a child needs love attention etc however the basics of speaking english would be a good start how can you teach a 5 year old who can't understand you and vice versa.. I do hope they find that poor 5 year old a new family really soon

user104658 29-08-2017 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by _baileys_ (Post 9595184)
It is terrible apparently the adoptive family do not even speak english!

"Muslim foster carers told Christian girl, five, that Christmas and Easter are stupid and European women are alcoholics after taking away her crucifix and stopping her from eating bacon"

But also, they don't speak English :think:.


Sooo. OK in general, I would say that vulnerable and already confused kids going into foster care should be placed with a family that is a good match for them... that much is common sense. So placing a child of one (or no) religion with a family that is going to enforce a different religion is an obvious massive error.

That aside, however, I suspect that this article is rather exaggerated?

_baileys_ 29-08-2017 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9595194)
"Muslim foster carers told Christian girl, five, that Christmas and Easter are stupid and European women are alcoholics after taking away her crucifix and stopping her from eating bacon"

But also, they don't speak English :think:.


Sooo. OK in general, I would say that vulnerable and already confused kids going into foster care should be placed with a family that is a good match for them... that much is common sense. So placing a child of one (or no) religion with a family that is going to enforce a different religion is an obvious massive error.

That aside, however, I suspect that this article is rather exaggerated?

Indeed it could well be the home is temporary until a permanent home is found..

Brillopad 29-08-2017 09:09 AM

I don't think any non-Muslim child should be placed with a Muslim family if that family is incapable of separating their religion from their job - their professional and moral responsibility of providing the care needed in the best intersts of that child. It is not an opportunity for indoctrination.

DemolitionRed 29-08-2017 09:09 AM

No, its not acceptable. I know a lot of Muslim children are being fostered out to none Muslim families because of the refugee crisis so I'm really surprised these Muslim foster parents didn't get a refugee child. Its normally the case that black couples can't foster a white child and a white couple can't foster a black child (which in some instances is wrong). A child's culture and religion MUST be considered through the process of fostering.

DemolitionRed 29-08-2017 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _baileys_ (Post 9595184)
It is terrible apparently the adoptive family do not even speak english!

I understand that a child needs love attention etc however the basics of speaking english would be a good start how can you teach a 5 year old who can't understand you and vice versa.. I do hope they find that poor 5 year old a new family really soon

I should think they do speak English. They just aren't speaking English in the home.

Niamh. 29-08-2017 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9595208)
I don't think any non-Muslim child should be placed with a Muslim family if that family is incapable of separating their religion from their job - their professional and moral responsibility of providing the care needed in the best intersts of that child. It is not an opportunity for indoctrination.

I agree a Foster carer should absolutely not try to force religious beliefs on a child they're caring for and if they're incapable of doing this then they shouldn't be accepted as a Foster parent. I do agree with TS though that parts of the story contradict itself so I would be skeptical of the accuracy of the story

Brillopad 29-08-2017 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9595210)
I should think they do speak English. They just aren't speaking English in the home.

That demonstrates a lack of consideration for the best interests of the child from the foster family. Don't foster parents get any training!

Cal. 29-08-2017 09:14 AM

I wonder if the child values a family and a roof over their head over bacon. Hmm.

DemolitionRed 29-08-2017 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by _baileys_ (Post 9595205)
Indeed it could well be the home is temporary until a permanent home is found..

Kids that are fostered from the age of five to young adulthood, on average will live with 25 different families. Most kids don't end up going through an adoption process... most, from the age of five up, never find a permanent home. I honestly believe a modern style childrens home is more stable for lone children.

Brillopad 29-08-2017 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9595214)
I wonder if the child values a family and a roof over their head over bacon. Hmm.

I think the child would value a family that actually attempted to communicate with them!

Niamh. 29-08-2017 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9595214)
I wonder if the child values a family and a roof over their head over bacon. Hmm.

yeah the bacon thing is a bit stupid and it's another thing that makes me question the accuracy of the story

DemolitionRed 29-08-2017 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9595213)
That demonstrates a lack of consideration for the best interests of the child from the foster family. Don't foster parents get any training!

Yes, they do get a lot of training but like all carers, sometimes people slip through the net. I don't know how the hell this happened, but I doubt those women portrayed themselves as strict Muslims when going through the fostering process. There's a lot of money to be made fostering. Some foster parents are doing this for all the right reasons but others see it as a lucrative business.

DemolitionRed 29-08-2017 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9595217)
yeah the bacon thing is a bit stupid and it's another thing that makes me question the accuracy of the story

I'm questioning its validity too. I'm wondering if the child is mixed race Middle Eastern but was born here. There's something odd about this story. If though it is correct and the child was born and raised as a Christian, this just shouldn't have happened.

Brillopad 29-08-2017 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9595219)
Yes, they do get a lot of training but like all carers, sometimes people slip through the net. I don't know how the hell this happened, but I doubt those women portrayed themselves as strict Muslims when going through the fostering process. There's a lot of money to be made fostering. Some foster parents are doing this for all the right reasons but others see it as a lucrative business.

I know and my heart breaks for all those poor foster children - what a way to start your life. I agree with the comment that a good quality stable childrens' home would be better for these children. They need consistency and stability as well as good care and hopefully some love.

waterhog 29-08-2017 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9595133)
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dai...t-Muslims.html


Should this be allowed to happen?

I think not.

just see this story on wrightstuff paper review - shame on those involved.

Niamh. 29-08-2017 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9595221)
I know and my heart breaks for all those poor foster children - what a way to start your life. I agree with the comment that a good quality stable childrens' home would be better for these children. They need consistency and stability as well as good care and hopefully some love.

You hear all these horror stories from Childrens homes too though (and nursing homes etc) The people working in these places need to be vetted properly and they need a good monitoring system

user104658 29-08-2017 09:31 AM

Yeah to be fair, I think it's worth pointing out that the social services, fostering and care system is pretty much a mess from the top down, in hundreds of different ways. The scale of the problem overall is absolutely gargantuan.

Brillopad 29-08-2017 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9595224)
You hear all these horror stories from Childrens homes too though (and nursing homes etc) The people working in these places need to be vetted properly and they need a good monitoring system

Oh I agree. Very close vetting and monitoring should be a given. I just think stability is so important. I have heard several ex-foster children say that one of the worst aspects was constantly being moved around and never being able to settle.

user104658 29-08-2017 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9595224)
You hear all these horror stories from Childrens homes too though (and nursing homes etc) The people working in these places need to be vetted properly and they need a good monitoring system

The scary thing is that they ARE quite well vetted. My wife is working with a charity that helps vulnerable youngsters as one of the (many, haha) side activities that she does alongside University, and she had to have a completely separate round of vetting and long interview process for working with vulnerable youngsters (even having already been through vetting for studying as a Mental Health Nurse).

I guess, sadly, the problem is... just because someone hasn't done anything in the past - or hasn't been caught doing anything in the past - doesn't mean that they aren't capable of it in future. There's only so much that vetting can do.

Niamh. 29-08-2017 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9595227)
Oh I agree. Very close vetting and monitoring should be a given. I just think stability is so important. I have heard several ex-foster children say that one of the worst aspects was constantly being moved around and never being able to settle.

Yeah I can imagine, it must be awful for a child to grow up like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9595228)
The scary thing is that they ARE quite well vetted. My wife is working with a charity that helps vulnerable youngsters as one of the (many, haha) side activities that she does alongside University, and she had to have a completely separate round of vetting and long interview process for working with vulnerable youngsters (even having already been through vetting for studying as a Mental Health Nurse).

I guess, sadly, the problem is... just because someone hasn't done anything in the past - or hasn't been caught doing anything in the past - doesn't mean that they aren't capable of it in future. There's only so much that vetting can do.

Yeah I know there really is no fool proof system, what kind of scum goes into that line of work to abuse the most vulnerable in our society though

Kizzy 29-08-2017 11:28 AM

I'm in shock... someone has it in their heart to open their family to a child in need and straight away there are those who take that a a negative.

Shameful.


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