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arista 12-05-2018 04:14 PM

North Carolina:police officer filmed choking black man outside Waffle House
 
[Footage shows the white Police officer slamming Anthony Wall, 22,
against a window, then turning him around and gripping him by the neck.]

video on this link
https://news.sky.com/story/us-police...house-11367071
Video 26 seconds only

https://e3.365dm.com/18/05/320x180/s...20180510221805

[Mr Wall, who posted footage of the incident on Facebook on Tuesday,
was charged with resisting arrest and disorderly conduct for the argument inside the Waffle House,
ABC 11 reported.]

Cherie 12-05-2018 04:20 PM

Looks overly aggressive :umm2:

Crimson Dynamo 12-05-2018 04:25 PM

you cant comment without the full details, a snippet of video only leads to hysteria

(cue hysteria)

bots 12-05-2018 04:26 PM

he was checking his neck size for a new shirt

Brillopad 12-05-2018 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9991398)
[Footage shows the white Police officer slamming Anthony Wall, 22,
against a window, then turning him around and gripping him by the neck.]

video on this link
https://news.sky.com/story/us-police...house-11367071
Video 26 seconds only

https://e3.365dm.com/18/05/320x180/s...20180510221805

[Mr Wall, who posted footage of the incident on Facebook on Tuesday,
was charged with resisting arrest and disorderly conduct for the argument inside the Waffle House,
ABC 11 reported.]

It’s impossible to make an informed comment without knowing exactly what happened. We don’t know exactly what occurred or whether the man had acted in a threatening way which led to the possibly heavy-handed response. Without more details any response is guesswork!

arista 12-05-2018 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9991419)
you cant comment without the full details, a snippet of video only leads to hysteria

(cue hysteria)


Yes True its only 26 seconds
what went down before?

arista 12-05-2018 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9991423)
It’s impossible to make an informed comment without knowing exactly what happened. We don’t know exactly what occurred or whether the man had acted in a threatening way which led to the possibly heavy-handed response. Without more details any response is guesswork!


Yes it appears due to
that Edit Mobile Phone clip
its become bigger news.

Ashley. 12-05-2018 04:33 PM

Quote:

"Your hands should have never been around my neck like that if my hands were in the air," Mr Wall added.
That's correct. The man was defenseless and therefore the attack was unjustified.

Of course, this is just one man's word against another... But right now it's not looking good.

arista 12-05-2018 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9991429)
That's correct. The man was defenseless and therefore the attack was unjustified.

What did Mr.Wall do before that 26mins video.


This is why Police need more BodyCams

Ashley. 12-05-2018 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9991433)
What did Mr.Wall do before that 26mins video.


This is why Police need more BodyCams

Whatever it was, I can't imagine it warranted an attack as vicious as that. The man had absolutely no control going by the video and he looked genuinely terrified. He should've been handcuffed and sent away there and then, not strangled and pushed to the floor.

Twosugars 12-05-2018 05:10 PM

guess joining police is next best thing since kkk has lost support

why so many policemen there are fat? don't they have a fitness test? or is it that they don't need to give a chase coz they just shoot?

Crimson Dynamo 12-05-2018 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9991469)
Whatever it was, I can't imagine it warranted an attack as vicious as that. The man had absolutely no control going by the video and he looked genuinely terrified. He should've been handcuffed and sent away there and then, not strangled and pushed to the floor.

You are not a policeman not have you any idea what it like to try and restrain a perp who will not do as they are told

you need to get them on the floor fast and on their front, you dont know what they have on them, knives, needles guns

this isnt The Bill, its life or death

Crimson Dynamo 12-05-2018 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9991499)
guess joining police is next best thing since kkk has lost support

why so many policemen there are fat? don't they have a fitness test? or is it that they don't need to give a chase coz they just shoot?

silly comment

kirklancaster 12-05-2018 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9991429)
That's correct. The man was defenseless and therefore the attack was unjustified.

Of course, this is just one man's word against another... But right now it's not looking good.

I agree, Ash. Under Self-Defence Law no matter what the guy did PRIOR to the clip - that ACTION had PASSED, so any violent act by the cop AFTER that is NOT self-Defence but RETALIATION and ASSAULT.

If the guy has his hands in the air offering NO resistance then the cop's action is ASSAULT because only REASONABLE force necessary for restraint or arrest is lawful.

Ashley. 12-05-2018 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9991509)
You are not a policeman not have you any idea what it like to try and restrain a perp who will not do as they are told

you need to get them on the floor fast and on their front, you dont know what they have on them, knives, needles guns

this isnt The Bill, its life or death

You've just said that there's not enough evidence to comment:

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9991419)
you cant comment without the full details, a snippet of video only leads to hysteria

But you've just commented that the man wasn't doing as he was told. :shrug: Where is the evidence of that, then?

Twosugars 12-05-2018 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9991510)
silly comment

not necessarily
imagine a white supremacist who can't join kkk for whatever reason, e.g. no local branch, and you still want to put blacks in their place
why not join the police?
don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine it happens

AnnieK 12-05-2018 05:38 PM

When I worked in America, I lived in South Carolina and spent a lot if time in NC. There was then still a very apparent black / white divide and therefore it is not a massive stretch to believe there is some unpleasant racial undertones that exist. The cop does appear to be very heavy handed but as we don't know the full details cannot comment further.

Cherie 12-05-2018 05:43 PM

I don’t think policemen anywhere are allowed to choke suspects n9 matter what went on previously

kirklancaster 12-05-2018 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9991528)
not necessarily
imagine a white supremacist who can't join kkk for whatever reason, e.g. no local branch, and you still want to put blacks in their place
why not join the police?
don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine it happens

These cop brutality/shooting videos may give the impression that the USA is riddled with Racist or Fascists or Power-Hungry pervs who need to 'grind Their Own Axes' but these incidents are still rare in a such a vast country and although one incident is too many, it is best to keep a sense of proportion.

I personally believe that SOME racists DO gravitate to jobs such as the Police or Prison Officers - both in the USA and here, but they ARE in a tiny minority and MOST cops are decent people doing a thankless job under extremely dangerous conditions.

In my opinion anyway.

Twosugars 12-05-2018 06:29 PM

Totally, Kirk. It wasn't my intention to blame all police. Don't know America, but what we see is disturbing and there must be some reason on BOTH sides.
In the UK, overall, I have utmost respect for the police force. The fact that I worked for them freelance for a while has done nothing but strenghten this respect.

kirklancaster 12-05-2018 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9991666)
Totally, Kirk. It wasn't my intention to blame all police. Don't know America, but what we see is disturbing and there must be some reason on BOTH sides.
In the UK, overall, I have utmost respect for the police force. The fact that I worked for them freelance for a while has done nothing but strenghten this respect.

Oh, I didn't mean you specifically Twosugars. I meant all of us in general. We get that swamped with these vids that we do sometimes forget that - like Muslim extremist terrorism - it SPECIFICALLY because it's 'bad' news that we are swamped with them, and that CAN lead some to think that ALL cops in the USA are brutal or racist (and ALL Muslims are terrorists etc).

I would not have a cop's job given in this ever increasingly insane and violent world.

jaxie 12-05-2018 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9991680)
Oh, I didn't mean you specifically Twosugars. I meant all of us in general. We get that swamped with these vids that we do sometimes forget that - like Muslim extremist terrorism - it SPECIFICALLY because it's 'bad' news that we are swamped with them, and that CAN lead some to think that ALL cops in the USA are brutal or racist (and ALL Muslims are terrorists etc).

I would not have a cop's job given in this ever increasingly insane and violent world.

I agree with you Kirk. Clearly that particular officer was using more force than he should have been but generally I think it must be a very hard job in the US because everyone is a potential gunman. It must be a very hard and stressful job.

Maru 12-05-2018 10:48 PM

I'll have to ask my husband when he gets home to be ask about the specific method, but I don't think he was intending to choke him... looks like he was trying to restrain him via his shoulders to get him down to the ground. It's a maneuver iirc.

Marsh. 12-05-2018 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9991511)
I agree, Ash. Under Self-Defence Law no matter what the guy did PRIOR to the clip - that ACTION had PASSED, so any violent act by the cop AFTER that is NOT self-Defence but RETALIATION and ASSAULT.

If the guy has his hands in the air offering NO resistance then the cop's action is ASSAULT because only REASONABLE force necessary for restraint or arrest is lawful.

:clap1: :clap1:

Marsh. 12-05-2018 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9991521)
But you've just commented that the man wasn't doing as he was told. :shrug: Where is the evidence of that, then?

I think he missed the end of the sentence "You can't comment, unless you agree with me".


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