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Twosugars 23-08-2019 03:26 PM

Racist remark shocks small town in US
 
'Keep Marysville white': racist remark by would-be councilor shocks Michigan city
A question about diversity in a candidate’s forum produced a jaw-dropping response from first-time candidate Jean Cramer

For the first hour of the election forum in Marysville, Michigan, on Thursday night the debate between the five candidates for a city council seat dealt with the local subjects you might expect – how to improve Little League fields, new real estate developments and the like.

Then the question came: “Do you believe the diversity of our community needs to be looked at?”

First to answer was Jean Cramer, a local resident running her first political campaign. She replied: “Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible.”

Her response, reported by the Times-Herald newspaper in Port Huron, sent a ripple of laughter and then shock across the hall. Marysville, a small town of 10,000 north-east of Detroit, is 98% white and 0.3% African American.

Cramer’s unalloyed remark was immediately denounced by other Marysville figures. The town’s acting mayor, Kathy Hayman, said: “I don’t even know that I can talk yet, I’m so upset and shocked.”

Hayman added that her father was Syrian. “So basically, what you’ve said is that my father and his family had no business in this community.”

The outgoing mayor, Dan Damman, called Cramer’s comments “as vile as they were jaw-dropping”.

After the forum ended, Cramer doubled down on her racist outburst to the Times Herald.

She insisted she was not “against blacks” but went on to say: “A husband and wife need to be the same race … That’s how it’s been [since] … God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time.”

Paradoxically, of the five candidates in November’s mayoral election, Cramer has the weakest roots within Marysville. The other four were born in the town or have lived there for decades, but as the Times Herald pointed out she only moved to the community within the last 10 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-michigan-city

America, 2019, ladies and gents.

Niamh. 23-08-2019 03:31 PM

She insisted she was not “against blacks” but went on to say: “A husband and wife need to be the same race … That’s how it’s been [since] … God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time.”

It's like we've travelled back in time. I would love to say this story is shocking but it really isn't anymore. Scary and depressing times

Liam- 23-08-2019 03:37 PM

She’ll probably win lbr

Ammi 23-08-2019 03:37 PM

...I tried to think of something to say...I can’t...she should fit right in with Trump’s American dream, then...

Niamh. 23-08-2019 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10663770)
She’ll probably win lbr

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10663771)
...I tried to think of something to say...I can’t...she should fit right in with Trump’s American dream, then...

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ce7b...temid=11926917

Ammi 23-08-2019 03:43 PM

...that’s so scary because it’s just not that unthinkable anymore...:sad:...

Niamh. 23-08-2019 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10663776)
...that’s so scary because it’s just not that unthinkable anymore...:sad:...

I know, I genuinely think, it's what makes The Handmaid's tale so uncomfortable to watch because it's so possible

Ammi 23-08-2019 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10663777)
I know, I genuinely think, it's what makes The Handmaid's tale so uncomfortable to watch because it's so possible

...yeah it is actually the single reason why I haven’t started to watch it yet, I know there would be some things that would feel quite relatable is society today ...I don’t think the writer figured that when the concept was first there and was meant to be purely fictitious...

Niamh. 23-08-2019 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10663781)
...yeah it is actually the single reason why I haven’t started to watch it yet, I know there would be some things that would feel quite relatable is society today ...I don’t think the writer figured that when the concept was first there and was meant to be purely fictitious...

Yeah, I would like to know her thoughts actually, she wrote it in the 80's I think. It is a really good show though. Elizabeth Moss also, is just a phenomenal actor :worship:

Ammi 23-08-2019 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10663782)
Yeah, I would like to know her thoughts actually, she wrote it in the 80's I think. It is a really good show though. Elizabeth Moss also, is just a phenomenal actor :worship:

..I was just reading a bit about the author and her inspiration came from many things through time...which were thought to have been left in time...but the original book was just the first series..?..(...I think...)...so there are probably many things drawn from our current times...sadly...

Cherie 23-08-2019 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10663782)
Yeah, I would like to know her thoughts actually, she wrote it in the 80's I think. It is a really good show though. Elizabeth Moss also, is just a phenomenal actor :worship:

Its fabulous I think I am on the penultimate episode I dont want it to end as it feels like this might be the last series, I hope not though


as for the OP, just no words really, although if anyone has ever visited Ellis Island and listened to the history of the immigrants who were processed there off the ships, the US always took a tough stance, they only wanted fit and healthy people and often separated families sending back anyone who was deemed unfit, so the American dream was only for the fit and able and white it seems :idc:

Niamh. 23-08-2019 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10663811)
Its fabulous I think I am on the penultimate episode I dont want it to end as it feels like this might be the last series, I hope not though


as for the OP, just no words really, although if anyone has ever visited Ellis Island and listened to the history of the immigrants who were processed there off the ships, the US always took a tough stance, they only wanted fit and healthy people and often separated families sending back anyone who was deemed unfit, so the American dream was only for the fit and able and white it seems :idc:

I'm only on about episode 9 I think, it will be sad when it ends but at the same time I need

Spoiler:

justice for June aarrgh and for her to save her daughters

Twosugars 23-08-2019 06:52 PM

Handmaid's tale was written by Margaret Atwood, strongly recommend her other books. Very original and interesting writer

Kizzy 23-08-2019 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10663811)
Its fabulous I think I am on the penultimate episode I dont want it to end as it feels like this might be the last series, I hope not though


as for the OP, just no words really, although if anyone has ever visited Ellis Island and listened to the history of the immigrants who were processed there off the ships, the US always took a tough stance, they only wanted fit and healthy people and often separated families sending back anyone who was deemed unfit, so the American dream was only for the fit and able and white it seems :idc:

It's common knowledge that blacks were treated deplorably in the past, that's not under discussion here. This refers specifically to how we treat people in the here and now.

Cherie 23-08-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10663941)
It's common knowledge that blacks were treated deplorably in the past, that's not under discussion here. This refers specifically to how we treat people in the here and now.

okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

GiRTh 23-08-2019 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10663952)
okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

How is that relevant to the thread? Are we talking about immigration in this thread or Jean Cramers comments?

Kizzy 23-08-2019 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10663952)
okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

That's not true look at the constitution, they welcomed immigrants, yet blacks only welcomed as 2nd class citizens. There was no equal playing field as you insinuate with your take on Ellis Island.
Your point didn't whiz over my head, I just don't agree with your take on it.
There is a change now, or there was before mr trump made it fashionable to regress in these redneck backwaters.

Twosugars 23-08-2019 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10663952)
okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

Are you suggesting it is some sort of time-honoured tradition?

:umm2:

Cherie 23-08-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10663960)
That's not true look at the constitution, they welcomed immigrants, yet blacks only welcomed as 2nd class citizens. There was no equal playing field as you insinuate with your take on Ellis Island.
Your point didn't whiz over my head, I just don't agree with your take on it.
There is a change now, or there was before mr trump made it fashionable to regress in these redneck backwaters.

They only welcomed fit and healthy immigrants, that’s the point...they didn’t welcome immigrants per se

Kizzy 23-08-2019 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10664018)
They only welcomed fit and healthy immigrants, that’s the point...they didn’t welcome immigrants per se

There were very quick checks for very obvious signs of disease... I dont see the relevance to this issue cherie sorry.

GiRTh 23-08-2019 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10664033)
There were very quick checks for very obvious signs of disease... I dont see the relevance to this issue cherie sorry.

:thumbs:

Cherie 24-08-2019 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10664033)
There were very quick checks for very obvious signs of disease... I dont see the relevance to this issue cherie sorry.

3 to 5 hours Kizzy....and they turned people back, and separated families my point is poor treatment of immigrants didn’t start with the Trump administration

Cherie 24-08-2019 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 10664034)
:thumbs:

Yet you had no issue at all with the parallel being drawn with the hand maids tale? I have commented on the op, just expanded the argument really, not sure what your issue is

If you want me to say..wow that’s awful!.and leave it at that I can do, it seems to be what you want?

Cherie 24-08-2019 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10663977)
Are you suggesting it is some sort of time-honoured tradition?

:umm2:

Not sure what mental gymnastics were needed to reach that conclusion, but no not saying that at all

GiRTh 24-08-2019 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10664074)
Yet you had no issue at all with the parallel being drawn with the hand maids tale? I have commented on the op, just expanded the argument really, not sure what your issue is

Maybe, you never know, that was posted before I got online and the discussion was done, but please feel free to draw whatever conclusion you want. Tell me, how do you come to that conclusion?

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10664074)
If you want me to say..wow that’s awful!.and leave it at that I can do, it seems to be what you want?

Say whatever you want and I will comment when I see fit :thumbs:


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